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Breaking on Fox Rick Santorum Reading Unclassified Version over 500 Chemical WMDs Found

Posted on 06/21/2006 2:39:13 PM PDT by COUNTrecount

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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
It's like pop music: It's all in the distribution.
101 posted on 06/21/2006 3:28:50 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ( 2006, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Augie Doggy

But nobody reads the papers anyway. So Freepers should get along giving hits to every website that carries this story---let 'em know they do have readers.


102 posted on 06/21/2006 3:29:15 PM PDT by wouldntbprudent (If you can: Contribute more (babies) to the next generation of God-fearing American Patriots!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE

shut up, robert.


103 posted on 06/21/2006 3:30:37 PM PDT by patton (What the heck just happened, here?)
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WMDS in Iraq [Kathryn Jean Lopez]
http://corner.nationalreview.com/

Here is a very rough transcript of the Rick Santorum-Pete Hoekstra press conference from earlier this evening...(basically my understanding is Santorum caught wind of this from an administration official earlier this year. He's been working to track down and now has gotten part of a report declassified):

Congressman hoekstra and i are here today to say that we have found weapons of mass destruction in iraq, chemical weapons. It's a document that was developed by our intelligence community which for the last 2.5 Months i have been pursuing and thanks to the help of the chairman of the house intelligence committee, ultimately he was able to get it in his hands and i was able to look at it. I think both of us feel very strongly this is vitally important information that the amercian people needs to know and so i will read the portions of the unclassified version and then i'll turn it over to peter to make his comments about the significance of that and then i'll be happy to answer questions.

The unclassified version of this report states as follows follows. Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons [munitions] which contain sarin nerve agent. Despite the efforts to destroy the pre-war chemical [munitions], fill and unfilled are assessed to still exist.

Now, let me go off the quote. That means that in addition to the 500, there are filled and unfilled munitions existing in the company. Back on statement,

they could be sold on the black market. Use of these weapons by terrorist and insurgent groups would have implications for forces in iraq. Possibility of use outside of iraq cannot be ruled out. The most likely munitions remaining are sarin and mustard filled project tiles.

I underscore filled. It depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal. It has been reported in open press that insurgents and iraqi groups desire to acquire and use chemical weapons.

This is an incredibly significant finding.

The idea that as my colleagues have repeatedly said this this debate on the other side of the aisle that there are no weapons of mass destruction is in fact false. We have found over 500 weapons of mass destruction and, in fact, have found that there are additional weapons of mass — chemical weapons still in the country….

Santorum will be on Hannity & Colmes later tonight.
Posted at 6:18 PM


104 posted on 06/21/2006 3:30:37 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: demkicker
ButI can't even think of an excuse as to why they've kept this information secret while letting themselves get pummeled.

The reason any WMD's in Iraq would be kept secret would be to keep Al Queda from digging around looking for it before we could find it.

105 posted on 06/21/2006 3:31:05 PM PDT by Ramius (Buy blades for war fighters: freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net --> 1400 knives and counting!)
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To: COUNTrecount; Cap Huff; Dog; Coop; AdmSmith; jmc1969; Straight Vermonter; Wiz; Marine_Uncle; ...

Ya Hoo....ROve strikes back...take that DemonicRats....


106 posted on 06/21/2006 3:32:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: demkicker
ButI can't even think of an excuse as to why they've kept this information secret

Nor can I, I think most everyone knew they were there (even many Dems). I have a hunch Santorum was correct in saying President Bush didn't want to revisit it and get in a huge battle over it.

107 posted on 06/21/2006 3:33:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: GrandEagle
WE (the US) taught and trained them how to make and use chemical weapons back when they were at war with Iran.

Nonsense. What is the source of that allegation?

108 posted on 06/21/2006 3:33:28 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Technogeeb
what ever.
In any event I'm glad we found them, and hope we find more before the bad guys do.
109 posted on 06/21/2006 3:35:35 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: COUNTrecount

Santorum: 500 Chemical-Weapons Shells Found In Iraq

According to numerous sources but not yet on the wires, Senator Rick Santorum announced a few minutes ago that the US has found 500 chemical-weapons shells in Iraq. Hot Air has the hot link for what little data exists thus far. Apparently, some of the shells contained sarin and others mustard gas. No word has come yet on when and where the US found these munitions.

I will update this as more information becomes available.

UPDATE: Nothing on the wires yet at 5:10 pm CT, but let's think through what this discovery -- if it is new -- means. We have found a handful of such shells already in Iraq; I reported such a find here in November 2004. The shells had come from around the time of the first Gulf War and the contents had likely been rendered inert by the passage of time and exposure to air. That has a lot less significance than a find of 500 shells; that kind of stockpile could have done real damage to our troops during the invasion, and of course could also have caused a lot more trouble with civilians in the hands of terrorists, if properly deployed.

The political significance will be difficult to calculate without more information on when and where the shells were found, in what condition, and so on. However, their existence in those numbers will at least eliminate the argument that Saddam's WMD existed only in his head, a position that former Saddam henchmen have taken ever since they fell into Coalition hands.

UPDATE II: Here's a post that noted confirmation of one shell with sarin gas found in May 2004.

 

From Captain's Quarters
110 posted on 06/21/2006 3:35:50 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: COUNTrecount
Can we shove this down their throats now?


111 posted on 06/21/2006 3:37:33 PM PDT by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: bnelson44

I'd be very surprised if the wires report this. It will be a buried story.


112 posted on 06/21/2006 3:37:57 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Spanaway Lori
Can we shove this down their throats now?

By all means! Shout it from the rooftops!

113 posted on 06/21/2006 3:38:39 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: kabar

Like the last group of missiles found in Iraq, these will prove to be from the 1980's and as such, useless.

If they were intact and operable, we'd have known about it almost immediately.


114 posted on 06/21/2006 3:40:43 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: gridlock

The center package, with the Russion writing and heavy foxing on the label, is the subject. The two adjacent packages were likely provided by the U.S. for testing.


115 posted on 06/21/2006 3:41:14 PM PDT by HighWheeler (Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country. - Marion Barry)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Well, we can't let them bury it. That's all there is to it. Letters to the editor, talk radio, blogging, anything you can think of to get this info out there!


116 posted on 06/21/2006 3:41:33 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are not dark days, these are great days." W. S. Churchill)
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To: wouldntbprudent
But nobody reads the papers anyway.

My Dem mother-in-law in Los Angeles does. She gets the NYT and the LA Times every day, as well as all variety of left-wing monthly publications.

She just called a few minutes ago to gloat over how long it took for Bush to finally "fabricate" some WMD "evidence". She says the fact it took so long to make this up proves how stupid he really is.

What could I say, other than "looking forward to out visit next month too".

117 posted on 06/21/2006 3:42:40 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Republican Wildcat

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060621e.html


118 posted on 06/21/2006 3:44:19 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Cementjungle

You have my deepest sympathies.


119 posted on 06/21/2006 3:44:56 PM PDT by Just Lori (To everything, there is a season.........Ecclesiastes, 3:1-8)
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To: Spanaway Lori

Yes, I think it is time.


120 posted on 06/21/2006 3:45:03 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: pissant

ROFL...It's top secert..If I tell you...

JUST as I was clicking SEND..I saw the typo..knew I'd hear from you on it.. :)


121 posted on 06/21/2006 3:46:32 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: I still care
It's just too much of a mantra with them "Bush lied, people died". They will never let it go, truth be darned.

The democrats will not give up that slogan because Clinton lied in court and was fined for it. If they say it enough maybe people might just start to believe it. I've never heard what it was that he is supposed to have lied about.
122 posted on 06/21/2006 3:46:45 PM PDT by chainsaw (We are going to take things away from you-H. Clinton)
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To: soupcon
Like the last group of missiles found in Iraq, these will prove to be from the 1980's and as such, useless. If they were intact and operable, we'd have known about it almost immediately.

I wouldn't rush to judgment. Hoekstra is chairman of the House intelligence committtee. For him to associate himself with this information makes it significant to me. As some have posited on this thread, keeping the information secret may have been intentional fearing that the enemy would either find them or use them.

If the WMD are in artillery shells, that would make them operable assuming the agent hasn't degraded significantly. We also found yellow cake in Iraq and sent it back to the US.

123 posted on 06/21/2006 3:49:18 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
keeping the information secret may have been intentional fearing that the enemy would either find them or use them

That's a very good point. If its true, the Admin should not be hesitant in pointing it out.

124 posted on 06/21/2006 3:51:14 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are not dark days, these are great days." W. S. Churchill)
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To: Spanaway Lori
You have my deepest sympathies.

LOL! She's one of the main reasons my wife wanted to move out of California!

125 posted on 06/21/2006 3:51:35 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

LMAO!!


126 posted on 06/21/2006 3:52:17 PM PDT by TexKat
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To: pissant

I was on the other thread. ;-)
Bump ya anyway.


127 posted on 06/21/2006 3:54:46 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: COUNTrecount

Santorum on Senate floor now talking about WMD

CSPAN 2


128 posted on 06/21/2006 3:55:42 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Velveeta

You just wanna be with the popular crowd. ;o)


129 posted on 06/21/2006 3:55:53 PM PDT by pissant
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To: SE Mom

LOL. But to answer your question, I did not hear Rush on the subject.


130 posted on 06/21/2006 3:56:32 PM PDT by pissant
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Document Details WMD Recovered In Iraq, Santorum Says
By Melanie Hunter
CNSNews.com Senior Editor
June 21, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.) announced Wednesday the finding of over 500 munitions or weapons of mass destruction, specifically "sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles," in Iraq.

Reading from unclassified portions of a document developed by the U.S. intelligence community, Santorum said, "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

According to Santorum, "That means in addition to the 500, there are filled and unfilled munitions still believed to exist within the country."

Reading from the document, Santorum added, "Pre-Gulf War Iraqi chemical weapons could be sold on the Black Market. Use of these weapons by terrorist or insurgent groups would have implications for coalition forces in Iraq. The possibility of use outside of Iraq cannot be ruled out. The most likely munitions remaining are sarin- and mustard-filled projectiles. And I underscore filled."

Santorum said the "purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions."

While acknowledging that the agents "degrade over time," the document said that the chemicals "remain hazardous and potentially lethal."

The media has reported that "insurgents and Iraqi groups" want to "acquire and use chemical weapons," Santorum noted.

The Pennsylvania senator called the finding "incredibly" significant.

"The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction is in fact false," Santorum said. "We have found over 500 weapons of mass destruction and in fact have found that there are additional chemical weapons still in the country."

As Cybercast News Service reported on Oct. 6, 2004, the CIA's chief inspector in Iraq provides details that corroborate information contained in 42 pages of Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by CNSNews.com.

The so-called Duelfer report, named for its author, Charles Duelfer, is widely recognized for declaring that no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq. Other details of the report, however, provide a glimpse of what some Iraq experts say is Saddam's attempt to continue to wage war against the U.S. after the first Gulf War ended.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200606/NAT20060621e.html


131 posted on 06/21/2006 3:56:32 PM PDT by theophilusscribe
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To: dynoman

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132 posted on 06/21/2006 3:56:33 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: kabar
If the WMD are in artillery shells, that would make them operable assuming the agent hasn't degraded significantly.

I recall when the US destroyed our own stockpiles of chemical weapons. They had been stored for many years, but still were highly dangerous.

133 posted on 06/21/2006 3:57:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: COUNTrecount

Santorum live in the Senate on CSPAN2 now talking about this!!!


134 posted on 06/21/2006 3:57:44 PM PDT by TheCornerOffice
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To: Cementjungle

Oooh, do you have my sympathies. My own family - the part that lives in CA, at any rate - are raving liberals and I always have to pledge to myself that when they visit me here in Florida I WILL NOT ENGAGE. It's pointless, they're so brainwashed by the SF Chron that they have no idea what's going on.

I have to bite my tongue till it bleeds. But I've gotten really good at changing the topic!


135 posted on 06/21/2006 3:58:15 PM PDT by livius
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To: theophilusscribe

let me guess, they are already trying to poo poo it?


136 posted on 06/21/2006 4:03:43 PM PDT by beansox
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To: hinckley buzzard

There are still Chemical weapon shells (Mustard gas) from the First World War that are a significant danger in Belgium.


137 posted on 06/21/2006 4:03:56 PM PDT by usmcobra (A single rogue Marine, yeah that can happen, but a whole Unit, only a liberal would believe that BS)
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To: sageb1

That's a good question. According to the panel on the Brit Hume report tonight, the Administration did not want to go back and visit the WMD issue. Sort of wimpy if you ask me. Another thing, the libs on the show said that these WMD were not the ones the President was talking about when he got us into this war. WMDs are WMDs. What kind of reasoning goes into what libs say?


138 posted on 06/21/2006 4:05:12 PM PDT by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: COUNTrecount

Democrats will just say we had them the whole time, waiting for the right time. "Look at the timing".


139 posted on 06/21/2006 4:05:31 PM PDT by Burlem
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No Shep on Fox News tonight.. Woo Hooo!!! Now if Colmes would get abducted by illegal aliens, we'd be having a red letter day. ;-)
140 posted on 06/21/2006 4:06:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Wanna help kick some liberal arse? It's not just a job here at FR, IT's an obsession.)
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To: COUNTrecount

I want my apology from the DUmmies, the KOKOs, and the 'RATs who bleated, "Bush lied, thousands died."


141 posted on 06/21/2006 4:08:05 PM PDT by steveegg (If the illegals would turn Mexico Red if they were forced there, why wouldn't they do that here?)
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To: kabar

Maybe, but this story broke a few hours ago and hasn't been picked up anywhere.


142 posted on 06/21/2006 4:09:44 PM PDT by soupcon
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To: Ramius

Yep. Why should W tell the enemy that they can find WMD in Iraq?

W cares more for the troops then the polls.


143 posted on 06/21/2006 4:09:54 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (English is a uniter, not a divider.)
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To: conservative blonde
"...the libs on the show said that these WMD were not the ones the President was talking about when he got us into this war."

Ah, yes, the ol' backpedalling gambit..... it will be amusing to watch the various pathetic fall-back positions the libs offer now, certainly there will be no apologies for all the endless "Bush lied" diatribes. We could find countless thousands of WMD (chem and/or bio) warheads and the response would be "where are the NUKES?"
144 posted on 06/21/2006 4:10:30 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Cementjungle

I suspect we'll hear alot of stuff like that.


145 posted on 06/21/2006 4:14:14 PM PDT by Stand W (Confusion to our enemies)
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To: pissant

Nah, it's just that they had hor-de-vours and beer.


146 posted on 06/21/2006 4:17:10 PM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta

Damn, I'm crashin the party.


147 posted on 06/21/2006 4:17:54 PM PDT by pissant
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To: COUNTrecount; All
Hot Air has the hot link for what data exists thus far.

148 posted on 06/21/2006 4:21:54 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: pissant

Love your commenmt. In that regard, I remember that they were sending everything they found out of the country for independant verification. If they have decided to reveal what they found, there will be no doubt of its authenticity.


149 posted on 06/21/2006 4:26:09 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Stand W; Cementjungle

Everyone, prepare for some of the worst insanity we have seen yet from the Demagogues!! They will be fighting for their political lives now, after all they have invested for years in "Bush lied" etc. so expect to see every conceivable kind of blather as they squirm and try to wriggle out of the trap they have set for themselves.

If any of them can somehow admit the facts, then the new mantra will be that the info has been withheld for political purposes, or the timing "why now" is suspect, etc.\

No matter what, we will probably see that there are virtually no honest Demagogues left who can say simply "wow we were wrong, we were so terribly wrong, we apologize profusely to Pres. Bush, VP Cheney, all of the exec. branch officials we have abused..... most of all we apologize to the nation and the world for being such as slimy bowlful of turds...... no, we won't see any honest Demagogues who can show the 'humility' and 'contrition' they are always demanding from the WH........


150 posted on 06/21/2006 4:26:32 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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