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Bog Bodies Found Were Society's Elite
Daily Mail ^ | 6-20-2006

Posted on 06/21/2006 4:58:55 PM PDT by blam

Bog bodies found were society's elite

19:45pm 20th June 2006

Research into Iron Age bog bodies discovered in the midlands of Ireland has revealed they were elite members of society who may have met violent deaths as part of kingship rituals.

As the bodies discovered in 2003 went on display at the National Museum of Ireland, Eamonn Kelly, the keeper of Irish antiquities, said they were placed along significant boundaries of ancient kingdoms linking them to sovereignty and kingship rituals during the Iron Age.

"The bodies fit in, in that they are also offerings, they are offerings to the territorial gods or goddesses but they may also at a practical level have represented the elimination of perhaps failed candidates for kingship or deposed kings," said Mr Kelly on the two bodies discovered in bogs at Oldcroghan, Co Offaly and Clonycavan, Co Meath.

Research has shown that many of the items discovered, such as kingly regalia, horse trappings and weapons, were connected with the inauguration rituals of kings which can be traced back to the Bronze Age.

"All of the bog bodies were members of the elite, Oldcroghan man had no wear on his hands, had manicured fingernails, Clonycavan man is able to afford expensive hair gel brought in from Spain. So these are members of the elite, they are not slaves, they are not prisoners of war.

"They might be royal hostages who have been killed to enforce the submission of subservient lords," Mr Kelly said at the launch of the exhibition 'Kingship and Sacrifice - An exhibition of bog bodies and related finds'.

Mr Kelly said it was common with all bog bodies discovered that they had suffered violent deaths.

"The nature of the killings is clearly ritualistic, there is a phased approach to the killing of these men, some of them may have died from the first blow they received, the rest of it is just going through the ritual of inflicting particular wounds for particular religious or ritual reasons," he said.

'Although cultures change, lifestyles change, people are people'

Researchers highlighted a significant feature on Clonycavan man - his distinctive hairstyle. On the back of his head, the hair was cut short, with the rest of the hair, around 20cm long, gathered into a bundle on the top of his head.

His hair was held in place by hair gel made from resin imported from France or Spain - suggesting he was a person of high status.

"The idea of somebody taking this sort of pride in their appearance, this sort of attention to detail, shows it is not a modern concept," Rolly Read, head of conservation at the museum, said. "Although cultures change, lifestyles change, people are people."

It was discovered Clonycavan man had died from a series of blows to his head, and a long cut to his abdomen suggesting he may have been disembowelled.

Oldcroghan man, who was over 25-years-old at the time of his death and about six feet four inches tall, was stabbed in the chest. He was decapitated, had his nipples cut and his thorax severed. The cutting of the nipples would have rendered Oldcroghan man ineligible for kingship.

Isabelle Mulhall, co-ordinator of the research, said it was a significant project involving many scientific techniques including finger printing, radiocarbon dating and dental analysis which yielded information about their diet and condition.

"We were able to talk about their last meals for example, one of the bodies had eaten cereals and buttermilk," she said.

"Both bodies were remarkably well preserved, they were incomplete, but nevertheless remarkably well deserved."


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KEYWORDS: bodies; bog; elite; found; godsgravesglyphs; societys; were

1 posted on 06/21/2006 4:59:00 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG Ping.


2 posted on 06/21/2006 4:59:49 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
elite members of society

Before and/or after their deaths?

3 posted on 06/21/2006 5:00:42 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: blam
"All of the bog bodies were members of the elite, Oldcroghan man had no wear on his hands, had manicured fingernails, Clonycavan man is able to afford expensive hair gel brought in from Spain. So these are members of the elite, they are not slaves, they are not prisoners of war.

Ancient metrosexuals?

I guess their murders should be considered "Hate crimes" then? ;-)

4 posted on 06/21/2006 5:03:27 PM PDT by stands2reason (Rivers will run dry and mountains will crumble, but two wrongs will never make a right.)
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To: mewzilla

They had manicures and wore hair gel...

Maybe that's why they were murdered...


5 posted on 06/21/2006 5:04:26 PM PDT by stands2reason (Rivers will run dry and mountains will crumble, but two wrongs will never make a right.)
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To: blam

Maybe we should pick up this tradition and sacrifice a few Senators at each Presidential Inauguration. ;)


6 posted on 06/21/2006 5:04:26 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: blam

Bog bodies were society's elite...or maybe that's what they did to Congressional-types who didn't do what the people wanted.


7 posted on 06/21/2006 5:05:13 PM PDT by madison10
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To: stands2reason

LOL. I just love the definition of elite.


8 posted on 06/21/2006 5:05:20 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The cutting of the nipples would have rendered Oldcroghan man ineligible for kingship.

Wonder if Hillery!'s pierced nipples would render her ineligible for Queenship.
9 posted on 06/21/2006 5:09:12 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
Bog Bodies Found Were Society's Elite

Bad Marty! BAD!

10 posted on 06/21/2006 5:14:56 PM PDT by martin_fierro ("That's a good-looking mummy...")
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To: blam

"All of the bog bodies were members of the elite, Oldcroghan man had no wear on his hands, had manicured fingernails, Clonycavan man is able to afford expensive hair gel brought in from Spain. So these are members of the elite, they are not slaves, they are not prisoners of war."

Obviously ancient Kennedy Clan members. ;)


11 posted on 06/21/2006 5:17:58 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: tet68
The cutting of the nipples would have rendered Oldcroghan man ineligible for kingship.

What I'm wondering about this line is, Who came up with THIS rule? And WHY?

12 posted on 06/21/2006 5:19:37 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: blam
Young female bog body, dubbed "Yde Girl", from the Netherlands. The remains of this 16-year old child, who lived in the first century A.D.

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Cat scan reconstruction of Yde Girl.Spooky.

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Ref:http://www.civilization.ca/media/docs/fsbog01e.html

13 posted on 06/21/2006 5:21:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: pogo101

Well you see, in those days it was a lot colder in those latitudes, and people would say, "Aye, tis verily nippily
out" but there was great disagreement and so the Queen (usually) would be brought out bare chested to test the weather. Now no nipples would obviously mean they couldn't
test as was the divine right so they were disqualified .

Simple when you know your history.


14 posted on 06/21/2006 5:24:04 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: blam
Did they have Tullamore Dew back in those days? That may explain the curled up fetal position and shiny skin. I've felt like that many times on a Sunday morning after an evening with the Dew.
15 posted on 06/21/2006 5:26:37 PM PDT by joem15 (If less is more, then what is plenty?)
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To: blam

"The idea of somebody taking this sort of pride in their appearance, this sort of attention to detail, shows it is not a modern concept,"

A pre-historic poofter?


16 posted on 06/21/2006 5:33:46 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: blam
"The bodies fit in, in that they are also offerings, they are offerings to the territorial gods or goddesses but they may also at a practical level have represented the elimination of perhaps failed candidates for kingship or deposed kings," said Mr Kelly on the two bodies discovered in bogs at Oldcroghan, Co Offaly and Clonycavan, Co Meath.

5,000 years from now they'll be digging up suburban homes in what was the United States and claim that our outdoor grills were a place to offer sacrifices to our God. (After all, when they see the indoor electric stove why would they possibly imagine that we would cook outside over fire?)

17 posted on 06/21/2006 5:36:21 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: blam
I’d like to see some of the so-called “elite” members of our society thrown into bogs. Hillary, Paris Hilton, the Kennedy’s, Dan Rather, Tom Cruise, Bradagelina, …..I think we need a bigger bog.

Seriously. Very cool. I’m interested in and very fascinated by the history & pre-history of Europe, especially England; from Stonehenge to the Romans through the Renaissance.
18 posted on 06/21/2006 5:39:09 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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To: monkapotamus

I’ve often wondered that myself. What would some future archeologist think about who I was and how I lived if he/she excavated the remains of my house? What would they make of my three TV’s and two computers? What would they think I used my George Foreman grill for? What would they think I used my…..oh never mind, better not go there….

I think the tip off to it being ritual sacrifice is in the other objects they found along with the bodies and the manner in which these folks met their deaths. Human sacrifice was common then and took place in many places in the world until very recently and in some extremely remote places, probably still does. Then later in ancient and Biblical times, animal sacrifices were substituted for humans. Some today even still practice some forms of sacrifice – Penance, Acts of Contrition, fasts associated with Lent and Purim, taxes…


19 posted on 06/21/2006 5:55:41 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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To: Caramelgal

Absolutely against throwing Paris Hilton into a bog! (A hot tub in my backyard is OK.)

Will help with all the rest!


20 posted on 06/21/2006 6:04:10 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: Caramelgal
Longshanks did it.
21 posted on 06/21/2006 6:06:10 PM PDT by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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To: blam
Iron Ahe 'Bog Bodies' Unveiled
22 posted on 06/21/2006 6:06:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: stands2reason

What did they do to the guys with mullets?


23 posted on 06/21/2006 6:08:34 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: TaMoDee

You’ve got to be kidding? Paris Hilton? Dictionary listing for Skank – see Paris Hilton.

Dude there’s not enough penicillin or a strong enough condom in the world to keep you safe on that date. Hope your hot tub has lots of chlorine. And as skinny as she is, the heat might dissolve her to nothing but bones as opposed to just skin and bones. Plus she’s as dumb as a box of hair. And when I look at her, I think she’s not even pretty – sort of horse faced I think but then I’m not a guy so hey – what ever floats your boat.


24 posted on 06/21/2006 6:13:47 PM PDT by Caramelgal (I don't have a tag line.... I am a tag line. So tag, you are it.)
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To: blam

bttt


25 posted on 06/21/2006 6:16:30 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Caramelgal

Hey, What can I say ---- My kind of Broad!!

I'll row my boat, you row yours!! LOL :>)


26 posted on 06/21/2006 6:33:14 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: Candor7
Cat scan reconstruction of Yde Girl.Spooky.

Quite a large forehead. Almost alien.

27 posted on 06/21/2006 6:34:38 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Very high forhead, one of the signs of a capacity for high intelligence, so it has been said. I agree with you, a very different looking young lady.
28 posted on 06/21/2006 7:47:29 PM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: blam

***Bog bodies found were society's elite***

did they have democrats toDwage class warefare?


29 posted on 06/21/2006 7:49:15 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: monkapotamus

And a chicken bone will be concluded as part of an index finger.


30 posted on 06/21/2006 7:55:14 PM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: pogo101

One couldn't be mutiliated and be king according to the old legends. If you lost a hand in combat, for example. But this is the first I'd heard about intentionally mutilating someone's nipples...


31 posted on 06/21/2006 7:55:24 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: martin_fierro

Love child, never meant to be....


32 posted on 06/21/2006 9:51:15 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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33 posted on 06/21/2006 9:51:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006.)
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To: Candor7

Interesting forehead. Very high and broad, signifying perhaps a capacity for higher thought, a characteristic of intellectual elites.


34 posted on 06/22/2006 2:02:09 AM PDT by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
From the ancient Irish FirBolg history, "Titatutoralineach!"

1)It all starts out as a harmless pre-pubescent Juvenile activity, titty twist....OUCH. Boys will be boys

2)Then in the post pubescent phase, it becomes a form of torture with feminine assistance...OOOOoooo! Boys and girls will be.

3)Then Aristocrats and nobles take it to the extreme by exclusion from peer groups via mutilation. Gaaaaaahhhhhh!

4)And if you really offend the King and his advisors: OFF WITH THEM!OOOOOoops! ( Depriving one of a crucial errogenous zone and the positive aspects of #2 above.)

****************** The modern version in a similar practise is exercised by the modern medical profession on behalf of patients who sometimes don't need it.

35 posted on 06/22/2006 5:37:16 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: CobaltBlue
Oh, I think they just put the hairline too high.

I'd like to see "several faces" done by different "artists" with no contact between them during the reconstruction. I bet they would be sooooooo different that you wouldn't even guess that they were using the same skull.

Her face looks like perhaps...."Alice, Through the Looking Glass". In fact, I think its darn close to what is depicted in a circa 1880 copy I have.

The folks that do these reconstructions are "artists" and they are influenced by their own "concepts".

36 posted on 06/22/2006 5:44:29 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Candor7

She appears to have had a really high forehead in this pic but the bog body does not give the impression that her forehead was that high.


37 posted on 06/22/2006 8:13:14 AM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: Dustbunny

I though so too, but everything changes shape when a body is mummified, and bones shrink and shrivel like a died up prune. I have noticed foreheads of similar height. Take a look at Anne Coulters ! Perhaps she also is an "alien."( LOL)


38 posted on 06/22/2006 9:08:18 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Sacajaweau

Hopefully all scientific knowledge will not be lost by then, unless you are intimating that scientists today don't know the difference between chicken bones and phalanges.


39 posted on 06/22/2006 3:51:23 PM PDT by stands2reason (Rivers will run dry and mountains will crumble, but two wrongs will never make a right.)
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