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Young people tune out older standards
GOPUSA ^ | June 21, 2006 | UPI Staff

Posted on 06/21/2006 5:22:41 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

SAN DIEGO (UPI) -- A California psychologist says young people have become increasingly indifferent to the impression they make on others.

Jean Twenge, the author of "Generation Me," teaches at San Diego State University. She gathered data from surveys taken between 1958 and 2001 by more than 40,000 youngsters. They featured questions aimed at whether the respondents always said "please" and "thank you" or were careful to dress appropriately.

Twenge says that 76 percent of children aged 8 to 12 in 1999 were indifferent to social approval, up from 57 percent in 1970. Among those who were already in college in 2001, who are now young adults, 62 percent were indifferent, up from 56 percent in 1970.

Other psychologists and people who work with youngsters told USA Today that their experience matches Twenge's data. Sherry Turkle, a psychologist and sociologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, blamed the increased use of cell phones and similar devices.

"They're tuned out in some ways to the social graces around them and the people in their lives, in their physical realm, and tuned in to the people they're with virtually," she said.

Copyright 2006 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: cellphones; dress; emilypost; generationy; impoliteness; ipods; missmanners; please; politeness; selfesteem; socialapproval; standards; thankyou; youngpeople; youth

1 posted on 06/21/2006 5:22:44 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

No surprise to anyone who works with teenagers.


2 posted on 06/21/2006 5:27:06 PM PDT by Amelia (Education exists to overcome ignorance, not validate it.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The word "brat" comes to mind...


3 posted on 06/21/2006 5:34:45 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady (DNC: The 'Lifetime' TV network of political parties. -AC)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Image hosted by Photobucket.com some of todays youth showed up at my Uncles funeral last week in Shorts and TEEShirts... are they truly clueless or just plane really don't care about anything except themselves???
4 posted on 06/21/2006 5:35:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Amelia
No surprise to anyone who works with teenagers.

"Why can't they be like we were; Perfect in every way? What's the matter with kids today?" :-)

5 posted on 06/21/2006 5:38:42 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: Amelia

I'm not buying it.

Every teen-ager I see wears a "uniform". They dress similar, they do their hair the same way, they trick up their cars the same way, etc. Somehow I don't think they do this because they are immune to the opinions of their peer group.


6 posted on 06/21/2006 5:38:50 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All because they are not beaten enough. Physical risk makes one surprisingly attentive.


7 posted on 06/21/2006 5:40:53 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: webstersII

Decades from now, crotchedy old men and prudish women will be complaining about kids not exposing their boxers, shaving every day, and wearing only the most subtle of piercings.


8 posted on 06/21/2006 5:41:38 PM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze

LOL!


9 posted on 06/21/2006 5:42:24 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: glorgau

"All because they are not beaten enough. Physical risk makes one surprisingly attentive."

Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat
Beat on the brat with a baseball bat
Oh yeah, oh yeah, uh-oh.

[repeat]

What can you do?
What can you do?
With a brat like that always on your back
What can you do? (lose?)

--The Ramones


10 posted on 06/21/2006 5:45:42 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: glorgau
All because they are not beaten enough. Physical risk makes one surprisingly attentive.

Teach your children the horrors of violence.....Beat them harder every day.

11 posted on 06/21/2006 5:52:48 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Truth has become so rare and precious she is always attended to by a bodyguard of lies.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"Sherry Turkle, a psychologist and sociologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, blamed the increased use of cell phones and similar devices."

Uhhuh. As always, parenting has absolutely nothing to do with kids' behavior.


12 posted on 06/21/2006 5:53:12 PM PDT by Sabatier
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Maybe if they listened to "older standards" such as 'The Rat Pack' or Anita Day or even today's Harry Conick or Michael Buble, there would be some hope of saving this current generation? ;)


13 posted on 06/21/2006 5:56:19 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I thought the title meant they don't really hear "As Time Goes By" if you play it.
14 posted on 06/21/2006 5:57:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
A California psychologist says young people have become increasingly indifferent to the impression they make on others.

Based on how I behaved as a young'un, I don't buy the assertion that kids today are any less rude than they were a generation ago. :)

15 posted on 06/21/2006 5:58:25 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: Polybius

Well, yeah, if you want to bring up old show tunes. But despite the mentioned short comings, their self-esteem is off the scale.


16 posted on 06/21/2006 5:58:56 PM PDT by Covenantor
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To: Chode
some of todays youth showed up at my Uncles funeral last week in Shorts and TEEShirts... are they truly clueless or just plane really don't care about anything except themselves???

But they came. If they had really cared only about themselves, they would not have come at all. Today's kids don't even know a lot of the rules baby boomers grew up knowing...sometimes that is a good thing, and sometimes not. But when it comes to dressing casual, I can't get to upset about it. Of course, I think semi-formal is clean jeans and a tee shirt without writing on it. :)
17 posted on 06/21/2006 6:03:03 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: Chode
some of todays youth showed up at my Uncles funeral last week in Shorts and TEEShirts... are they truly clueless or just plane really don't care about anything except themselves???

But they came. If they had really cared only about themselves, they would not have come at all. Today's kids don't even know a lot of the rules baby boomers grew up knowing...sometimes that is a good thing, and sometimes not. But when it comes to dressing casual, I can't get to upset about it. Of course, I think semi-formal is clean jeans and a tee shirt without writing on it. :)
18 posted on 06/21/2006 6:03:51 PM PDT by goldfinch
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To: goldfinch

they came because they were sniffing around for his daughter... not because of her father.


19 posted on 06/21/2006 6:11:06 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

When I was young, I didn't care for the old standards either. But as I get older, I find myself listening to Frank Sinatra, Johnny Cash and Roy Orbison much more frequently.


20 posted on 06/21/2006 6:17:27 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: stillonaroll

Based on how I behaved as a young'un, I don't buy the assertion that kids today are any less rude than they were a generation ago. :)

How about the assertion that kids today are any MORE rude than they were a generation ago?


21 posted on 06/21/2006 6:42:19 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I'd bet we'd see a similar profile for people up to age 45 or so, not just teenagers. Recall the riotous "Coffee Shop Owner's Sign: 'Please Control Your Children'" threads.


22 posted on 06/21/2006 6:58:19 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Guess it depends on what kind of teenagers. Most of the teenagers I know are really nice and easy to talk to when it's a couple of them. Last weekend I had about three teenagers having a great conversation. Then, I a large crowd of people came through and I walked off to see my husband. Suddenly, the teenagers didn't know me. They can be so funny.


23 posted on 06/21/2006 7:03:33 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy ("Guns kill people like spoons make Rosie O' Donnell fat.")
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"They're tuned out in some ways to the social graces around them and the people in their lives, in their physical realm, and tuned in to the people they're with virtually," she said.

I volunteer for a Little League which has it's own park. We are required to supervise the park as part of our volunteer hours.

I pulled a teenager's earbuds out of his ears because he was so tuned-out he almost knocked over a very pregnant woman.

He got lippy with me and told me I couldn't do that; I informed him I just had . . . I also informed him he had to leave the park for violating the rules and that I would be calling his parents that night (I knew of him from being in my child's school).

He stormed off and later on I called his mother who thought the pregnant woman should have moved out of the way . . . . the apple doesn't fall far from that tree.

24 posted on 06/21/2006 7:06:13 PM PDT by WIladyconservative
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To: Caesar Soze

Haha, there's a good side to those droopy drawers, after all. They showed a little clip on the local news tonight of several recent perps who were caught when they tried to run away from cops because they couldn't run in their pants without them falling down around their ankles and tripping them up, lol.

One of them just shed his pants and kept on running in his boxers that he was so proud of. LOL, his wallet with his ID in it was in his pants.

The cop just picked up the pants, went to the perp's house and waited on his porch. Pretty soon the kid came walking up in his boxers - he even said "OK, ya got me."

I think it's hilarious.


25 posted on 06/21/2006 8:02:13 PM PDT by Rte66
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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26 posted on 06/21/2006 9:33:28 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: Chode
Years ago, when I worked in Funeral Service, we buried a girl who was in my class in high school. Killed in a car accident. Didn't really know her, she ran with a different crowd.
Anyway, her family provided a nice blue dress in which to bury her, but I overheard a lot of people at her service say she'd much rather have been buried in a Harley T-shirt and jeans.
27 posted on 06/22/2006 12:03:17 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Wow. Anita O'Day. I actually shared a stage with her at the Savannah Jazz Festival in the late '80s or early '90s. Can't remember when, off the top of my head.

But the problem is the 'Music Industry'. You will listen to what we want you to listen to, and you will buy it, and you will like it.

There is very little actual music anymore. There is a lot of manufactured product.

28 posted on 06/22/2006 12:13:32 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: real saxophonist

That's pretty cool about Anita! And I wholeheartedly agree with your current music assessment. A quick scan of my CDs also reveals:

Sinatra (of course!)
Dinah Shore (Cocktail Hour)
Art Tatum
Stan Getz
Oscar Peterson
Mandy Patinkin
Joe Sample
Sarah Vaughan
Johnny Cash
Ella Fitzgerald
Elvis (though he was "manufactured" just a little)
And more "old" Country, Bluegrass and Musical Soundtracks than I'll admit to! :)


29 posted on 06/22/2006 6:10:43 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: real saxophonist

lotta truth in that... but since i'm geting burned, i won't have to make that decision.


30 posted on 06/22/2006 2:52:19 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Perhaps this explains my experience at the dentist this morning.

I arrived at the dentist's office at 7:45, and the girl at the desk (who couldn't have been 21 yet) informed me that they gave my appointment away.

I asked why.

She said because I didn't call to confirm.

I said, "But I had an appointment."

She said that I never called to confirm, so they gave my appointment to someone else.

I replied, "So tell me again why I made an appointment."

She said, "Well, you need to confirm the appointment, or we're gonna give it away."

I stand there for a few seconds, thinking, "Surely now she'll offer to reschedule me, or try to work me in, or even let me speak to someone else."

Silence.

So I said, "Well, looks like I'm late to work for nuthin' . . . thank you," and leave.

It was such the Seinfeld moment. "I don't think you do. If you did, I'd have a car. See, you know how to TAKE the reservation - you just don't know how to HOLD the reservation, and that's really the most important part of the reservation, the holding. Anybody can just take them."


31 posted on 06/22/2006 2:57:15 PM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Chode

Oh, man, don't even get me started.

My husband's oldest nephew got married last summer. Everyone over 30 was appropriately dressed, like me - a nice pantsuit or dress.

The under-30s were in tank tops, halter tops, jeans, shorts, and flip-flops of the rubber shower variety. I was appalled.


32 posted on 06/22/2006 2:58:39 PM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Xenalyte

Was that my dentist's office by any chance? All of a sudden this year they started demanding a confirmation in their reminder phone messages. What's up with that?


33 posted on 06/22/2006 2:59:30 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: stillonaroll

Oh, they're definitely ruder in Texas.

When I was growing up - I'm 37 - not saying "please" or "thank you" or "yes sir" or "no ma'am" was grounds for punishment.


34 posted on 06/22/2006 3:00:10 PM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This point was driven home to me today when I was interacting with the new summer crop of interns. Self-centered. Talking about their party prowess and the amount of booze they drink. Many won't look you in the eye.

Our foreign interns were 180 degrees off from our US interns. Polite. Straightforward. Interesting and anxious to learn.

We're doomed!


35 posted on 06/22/2006 3:03:03 PM PDT by Glenn (Annoy a BushBot...Think for yourself.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
And more "old" Country, Bluegrass

I'm with you on that! And Johnny Cash too. I don't care for any 'modern' (last 20 years or so) country. Otherwise, everything else is classical.

36 posted on 06/22/2006 3:04:56 PM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: real saxophonist
Anyway, her family provided a nice blue dress in which to bury her, but I overheard a lot of people at her service say she'd much rather have been buried in a Harley T-shirt and jeans.

What a pity. While I plan on cremation, I would still want to go in something I would always wear.

37 posted on 06/22/2006 3:06:08 PM PDT by technochick99 ( Firearm of choice: Sig Sauer....)
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To: Chode
are they truly clueless ...

Yes, they are. Parents are to blame for this but the kids are really that clueless.

38 posted on 06/22/2006 3:07:52 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The bottom 60% does 40% of the work, the top 40% does 60% of the work. Just who are the "workers"?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"increasingly indifferent to the impression they make on others."

There's a word for that: "sociopath."

List of Antisocial Personality Disorder Traits
Sense of entitlement; Unremorseful; Apathetic to others; Unconscionable behavior; Blameful of others; Manipulative and conning; Affectively cold; Disparate understanding; Socially irresponsible; Disregardful of obligations; Nonconforming to norms; Irresponsible

There's another word with the same meaning: "liberal."

39 posted on 06/22/2006 3:08:08 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Why is anybody surprised? We've been teaching the brats to have "self-esteem" regardless of their behavior. We've also successfully killed "shame" of any behavior thanks to our "tolerence" to just about any behavior.


40 posted on 06/22/2006 3:08:48 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: Polybius

Young people tune out older standards
This is news ? Same old story since the cave days . Yea , sure , we were all so perfect back in the day .


41 posted on 06/22/2006 3:10:22 PM PDT by Tiberius109
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I think this is a totally misleading article. We have all these young people saying "I dont care what society thinks of me" yet now more than ever we've got a society filled with so many people who want to shut up others because they can't TOLERATE anyone else's view that might be opposed to theirs. Sure, they may not care what we think, but they certainly want to make it illegal for us to say so, because it might hurt their feelings, self-esteem, whatever.


42 posted on 06/22/2006 3:12:40 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: Revolting cat!

The office manager told me that "we have so many cancellations during summer, so many people on vacation who just forget, you know."

I said, "So if I make my appointments in March and September, I won't have to confirm? I can just trust that my making an appointment actually made me an appointment?"

She wouldn't go that far.


43 posted on 06/22/2006 3:20:45 PM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Xenalyte
It is not just under 30's. I was upset with my son for wearing his skateboard shoes to his 8th grade graduation (I neglected to look down on our way out the door!). I was embarrassed because I knew my parents would be there. However, some of the teachers who were present, and there were a few over 40, were wearing flip-flops and denim capris. The principal wore khaki shorts, and the superintendent chewed on a wad of gum the entire time.

Also, last summer on vacation, I politely asked my son to remove his baseball cap in a fairly upscale restaurant. He didn't want to because of "hat hair." I quickly scanned the room to judge the atmosphere. Across from us set a man of around 50 with a big sweatband across his head - I told my son not to worry about his cap. I probably should have made him anyway in retrospect.
44 posted on 06/22/2006 3:21:55 PM PDT by gingerky
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To: gingerky

should have said "across from us 'sat'."


45 posted on 06/22/2006 3:24:19 PM PDT by gingerky
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
hey're tuned out in some ways to the social graces around them and the people in their lives, in their physical realm, and tuned in to the people they're with virtually," she said.

Forgetting you manners is a good way to encounter "traumatic dental re-design". Hard lessons are well learned, though.

46 posted on 06/22/2006 3:30:26 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: gingerky
The word (and website) of the day is 'Rejuvenile`.
47 posted on 06/22/2006 3:34:31 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
...there would be some hope of saving this current generation...

There is hope, though. I am priveleged to work at a high school. At the graduation last week, they read the colleges that kids were going to, some JC's and a university or two, and the kids cheered as their college was called out, but the largest amount of noise from the graduates came at the mention of serving in the armed forces. Maybe this is not a typical experience in a public school setting, but it is gratifying to know that some of these kids actually care about this country.

48 posted on 06/22/2006 3:37:16 PM PDT by webheart
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To: technochick99; Travis McGee

"Otherwise, everything else is classical."

Well, to a point for me. I'm currently listening to Robert Palmer, but that's OK...'cuz he's passed on, and that man had A LOT of excellent music left in him, that's for sure. Earlier in the evening I was listening to "The Hollies" but they're probably all dead of old age by now, LOL! (I just realized I was also listening to Eva Cassidy, who has ALSO passed away. I'm not trying to be morbid on purpose, LOL!)

Do you have Claude Bolling's "Suite for Flute and Jazz Piano" in you collection? I actually discovered that music while reading a "Travis McGee" novel by John D. MacDonald.

And if you're of the same mindset as me, you only need to start at "The Deep Blue Good-by" and you'll be hooked. I mean Mr. MacDonald also wrote all sorts of TV cr@p in his later years, but his Travis McGee novels will stand the test of time. And Travis is a total conservative and quite Libertarian for the times. I'm half in love with him. There! I finally said it out loud, LOL!

There's something about old/classical music and Noir/PI Fiction that just fit, you know? :)

* The Deep Blue Good-by (1964)
* Nightmare in Pink (1964)
* A Purple Place for Dying (1964)
* Quick Red Fox (1964)
* A Deadly Shade of Gold (1965)
* Bright Orange for the Shroud (1965)
* Darker than Amber (1966)
* One Fearful Yellow Eye (1967)
* Pale Gray for Guilt (1968)
* The Girl in the Plain Brown Wrapper (1969)
* Dress Her in Indigo (1969)
* The Long Lavender Look (1970)
* A Tan and Sandy Silence (1972)
* The Scarlet Ruse (1973)
* The Turquoise Lament (1974)
* The Dreadful Lemon Sky (1975)
* The Empty Copper Sea
* The Green Ripper (1980)
* Free Fall in Crimson (1981)
* Cinnamon Skin (1982)
* The Lonely Silver Rain (1985)

Enjoy! :)


49 posted on 06/22/2006 8:09:53 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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