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This is the liberal response to the WMD find: "Santorum recycles bogus Iraq WMD claims"
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Posted on 06/22/2006 4:50:29 AM PDT by ChrisFelice1

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To: weldon berger
"$6 billion in direct costs, five dead soldiers and 40 wounded, not to mention hundreds of dead Iraqis, for each unusable round. Heckuva job, George. "

Congratulations, this diatribe should be required reading in journalism school as an example of how to stitch together a couple of facts, half truths, remotely related items and come up with a typical liberal MSM view point.

101 posted on 06/22/2006 6:14:42 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: All

The Dems' state of denial emphasizes the importance of jveritas' work with the Harmony documents.

102 posted on 06/22/2006 6:16:17 AM PDT by sono ("May the Wings of Liberty never lose a feather." Jack Burton)
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To: LOC1



103 posted on 06/22/2006 6:16:50 AM PDT by angcat ("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
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To: treverburton

Listen lib, no one comes here on day one using "we" and "us" in warnings to Freepers that isn't a liar.

And yes this is a private club. If you want to have a long life here at least be honest. We tolerate honest libs longer than liars.

104 posted on 06/22/2006 6:17:34 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: LOC1

sorry, I can see only the declassified portion. can't you post the direct link?

105 posted on 06/22/2006 6:18:16 AM PDT by treverburton
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To: treverburton
Only the declassified portion of the report is available. It is also located here
106 posted on 06/22/2006 6:20:39 AM PDT by LOC1
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To: Raycpa

take it easy. i'm not issuing warnings to anyone. there just isn't enough in that one declassified page to guarantee this isn't going to be another disappointment.

107 posted on 06/22/2006 6:21:07 AM PDT by treverburton
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To: weldon berger
Refresh my memory: how many Iraqi attacks on American soil were there prior to the invasion?

Please refresh mine. How many Japanese attacks on American soil were there prior to 12/7/1941?  Wouldn't it have been nice to have destroyed their carriers in October '41?




108 posted on 06/22/2006 6:22:09 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance.)
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To: LOC1

i "Only the declassified portion of the report is available. It is also located here"

Santorum said it is available on a blog. I asked if anyone knew of a link to it.

109 posted on 06/22/2006 6:22:15 AM PDT by treverburton
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Iraq's Chemical Weapon Program

Well before Operation Desert Storm or the U.N. inspections that followed it, Iraq had already begun to build chemical weapons. After launching a research effort in the 1970s, Iraq was able to use chemical weapons in its war against Iran and to kill large numbers of its own Kurdish population in the 1980s. During the first Gulf War, there were fears that Iraq would launch chemical-tipped missiles at its neighbors, particularly Israel, but Iraq refrained for fear of U.S. retaliation.  During Operation Iraqi Freedom, coalition troops again feared they might be hit with chemical weapons, though this did not come to pass.

By 1991, the United Nations had established its Special Commission (UNSCOM) and charged it with the task of destroying, removing, or rendering harmless "all chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."

By the time UNSCOM left Iraq in December 1998, it had eliminated a large portion of Iraq's chemical weapon potential. UNSCOM had overseen the destruction or incapacitation of more than 88,000 filled or unfilled chemical munitions, over 600 tons of weaponized or bulk chemical agents, some 4,000 tons of precursor chemicals, some 980 pieces of key production equipment, and some 300 pieces of analytical equipment. Notwithstanding these extraordinary achievements, there remained important uncertainties regarding Iraq's holdings of chemical weapons, their precursors, and munitions.


I. Chemical Agents

CS and Mustard Gases

After a successful research effort in the 1970s, Iraq began producing tear gas and mustard gas in the early 1980s. Tear gas is not lethal; its chief use is riot control. It causes pain to the eyes and nose, and uncontrollable coughing. Iraq first produced several tons of CS tear gas at its Salman Pak site, and by the early 1980s began military-scale production at the al-Muthanna State Establishment.

Iraq also began to produce sulphur mustard blister gas (HD) in the early 1980s, and by 1983 was able to employ it in chemical munitions against Iran. The primary effect of mustard gas is skin and eye blistering and lung irritation. Heavy exposure to an aerosol of mustard gas causes the lungs to fill with fluid and "drown" the victim. Mustard gas has a low death rate; generally only 2 to 3 percent of its victims perish.

Iraq initially told UNSCOM that 3,080 tons of mustard gas had been produced, but in 1995 Iraq reduced this amount to 2,850 tons. UNSCOM found Iraq's mustard gas to be at least 80% pure and determined that it could be stored for long periods of time, both in bulk and in weaponized form. In its distilled form, mustard gas has a long life, and can be stockpiled for decades. It is relatively easy to produce and load into munitions. Iraq admits filling some 550 artillery shells with mustard gas but says it misplaced them shortly after the first Gulf War.

Nerve Gas: Sarin and Tabun

Iraq moved up to producing the nerve gases sarin (GB) and tabun (GA) in 1984. These gases are highly toxic compounds that can penetrate the body either through contact with skin or eyes, or by inhalation. Just a few droplets will kill within minutes if inhaled or within hours if absorbed through the skin. The initial effects depend on the amount of contact with the agent and are almost immediate. Chemical nerve agents tend to have little or no incubation or latent period in the body. These agents act by attacking the central nervous system, causing rapid paralysis, respiratory failure and death by asphyxiation.

According to Iraq, the sarin and tabun it first produced was of poor quality. It was unstable, and the effectiveness of the agents diminished quickly after production. Iraq claimed that its production methods were later changed to eliminate the stabilization problem. Iraq argued that the tabun it produced was of such poor quality that Iraq turned its research, development and production effort to prolonging the viability of sarin instead.

Iraq adopted the "binary" method of weaponization, in which the components of sarin gas are stored separately until use, when they are mixed. The components of sarin are DF 2 and the alcohols cyclohexanol and isoproponal. Iraq manufactured DF 2 with a purity of 95%, and imported alcohols of 100% purity, so the detonation of its munitions could be expected to yield relatively pure sarin.

At first, Iraq told UNSCOM that it had produced an estimated 250 tons of tabun and 812 tons of sarin. In 1995, Iraq changed its estimates and reported it had produced only 210 tons of tabun and 790 tons of sarin. Thus, it is still uncertain how much tabun and sarin Iraq actually manufactured.

Nerve Gas: VX

Iraq appears to have turned its research efforts toward VX nerve gas in 1985. VX is the most toxic of all known chemical warfare agents. Its effects on the body are similar to those of sarin and tabun, paralyzing the nervous system and causing convulsions and rapid death when contact occurs. A very small amount on the skin (10 milligrams) is enough to kill a man. VX is an oily liquid that may persist in the environment for weeks or longer, thereby posing a major skin absorption risk.

Iraq admitted that it had six or seven research teams working on VX, and production is known to have taken place in 1987-88 and possibly until 1990. A team of U.N. experts concluded that there was clear evidence that Iraq had the capability to produce the agent because the Muthanna State Establishment, as early as 1984, had done industrial scale organophosphorous synthesis, a process much more difficult than that required to produce VX. One plant, in Dhia'a, was reconfigured to produce necessary components for VX by 1988. Iraq also admitted producing and procuring vast amounts of precursor agents for VX, including 58 tons of the chemical choline, a key VX ingredient. Iraq claimed that nearly all of its precursors had been destroyed by aerial bombing during the first Gulf War, and that what remained was secretly destroyed in the summer of 1991.

UNSCOM estimated that by 1991, Iraq could have produced between 50 and 100 tons of VX gas. By 1998, UNSCOM estimated that Iraq was capable of producing 200 tons. Iraq at first told UNSCOM that it had only produced 240 kilograms of VX, but in 1996 admitted that it had produced 3.9 tons. Iraq provided documents stating that 2.4 tons of VX were produced in 1988 and the remainder in 1990. Iraq explained this low volume by claiming that it had scaled-up all its chemical weapons processes at al-Muthanna except VX, a claim UNSCOM rejected as incompatible with Iraq's massive R&D efforts. Iraq also claimed that it later abandoned the VX project because the gas was of poor quality and was unstable. Iraq never backed up its claims with verifiable evidence, so the total quantity of VX that Iraq produced is not known.

Total Chemical Agent Produced

Iraq claimed that its chemical weapons program yielded a total of 3,859 tons of useable agents. Iraq insisted that it only weaponized 3,315 tons and consumed 80% of those weaponized agents during the war with Iran. The true extent of Iraq's production and holdings of chemical agents has never been fully verified.


II. Precursors

Chemicals that serve as ingredients for making chemical weapon agents are known as "precursors." In the early stages of its chemical weapon program Iraq imported the necessary precursors. However, from 1986 to 1990, Iraq constructed and operated numerous plants and facilities (such as Fallujah 1, 2 and 3) for producing precursors on its own. Iraq told UNSCOM that during Iraq's entire chemical weapon program, which lasted from the mid-1970s through at least 1991, it produced and procured 20,150 tons of key precursor chemicals. Of that amount, Iraq claimed to have used 14,500 tons to produce chemical agents or other key precursor chemicals, leaving 5,650 tons of precursors unaccounted for. However, Iraq also claimed that only 3,915 tons of precursor agents remained inside the country as of January 1991, a noticeable discrepancy. Of that 3,915 tons, a total of 2,850 tons were destroyed under UNSCOM supervision and the rest was said by Iraq to have been destroyed during the first Gulf War or destroyed by Iraq unilaterally.


III. Weaponization

After a chemical warfare agent is produced, it is loaded into a munition so that it can be fired at an adversary. This step is called weaponization.

Tear Gas and Mustard Gas

Iraq admitted that it deployed CS tear gas in both RPG-7 rocket propelled grenades and in 82mm and 120mm mortar shells. CS was also used to fill 250- and 500-gauge aerial bombs. In addition, Iraq admitted that it used both 250- and 500-gauge aerial bombs for mustard gas deployment, as well as 155mm artillery shells. Documentary evidence was found showing that Iraq also filled DB-2 aerial bombs with mustard gas, although Iraq claims that it filled only a few bombs for testing purposes. UNSCOM managed to destroy 12,792 of the 13,000 155mm artillery shells filled with mustard gas that Iraq had declared as remaining after the first Gulf War ended; however, Iraq also declared that it had lost 550 of these shells. UNSCOM was never provided with any substantial evidence to corroborate this claim. A few such shells were destroyed by subsequent inspectors in 2002-2003, but many were still unaccounted for after the second Gulf War.


Iraq filled thousands of munitions with sarin or its binary components. These included 122mm rockets, DB-2 and R-400 aerial bombs, and thirty special warheads for the domestically produced Al-Hussein missile (a SCUD variant). The Al-Hussein warheads were discovered and subsequently destroyed under UNSCOM supervision. Iraq also claimed that it unilaterally destroyed 45 additional special warheads that were filled with chemical agents, including binary sarin components.


Iraq denied ever having weaponized VX. In June 1998, however, UNSCOM found evidence of VX contamination on fragments of missile warheads. Iraq never provided an adequate explanation for this evidence, insisting instead that weaponization never occurred. Iraq did admit filling three aerial bombs and one 122mm rocket warhead with VX, but claimed that this was only for storage and corrosion tests. Iraq said that the tests were failures due to the low purity and poor stability of the gas. U.N. experts concluded, however, that weaponization of VX presented no technical difficulty for Iraq and may have been done.

Total Munitions

Iraq declared to UNSCOM that at one time it held over 200,000 special munitions, either filled or unfilled, specifically designed for chemical or biological weapons. These included grenades, mortar shells, aerial bombs, artillery shells, rockets and missile warheads. Of those, Iraq claimed that it used or disposed of approximately 100,000 munitions filled with chemical weapons during the period of its war with Iran, which ended in 1988. With regard to its holdings as of January 1991, Iraq asserted that 127,941 filled and unfilled special munitions remained in the country. During the first Gulf War -- according to Iraq -- 41,998 munitions were destroyed by Allied bombing, and Iraq also said that it unilaterally destroyed 29,662 munitions after the first Gulf War. The remaining 56,281 special munitions were either destroyed or accounted for under UNSCOM supervision.

Iraq gained the ability to manufacture R-400 and DB-2 aerial bombs, chemical containers for 122mm rockets, and Al-Hussein missile warheads. Iraq had to import all other munition shells, but UNSCOM believed that Iraq also had the ability to empty conventional artillery shells and aerial bombs and refill them with chemical agents. Iraq had a wide array of munitions specially designed for chemical use, and some of them were used for more than one chemical agent.


Nose cone for chemical munitions

An Iraqi worker climbs into a chemical agent missile nose cone to open it for sample-taking



The role of the military in Iraq's chemical weapons program remained a secret. Iraq never disclosed any information to UNSCOM concerning deployment, military requirements, firing or bombing tables, field manuals on the use of chemical weapons, or the chain of command for chemical weapons. According to Iraq, there were never any field manuals specifically for chemical weapons, nor were any specific military units trained to use them. Iraq said responsibility for the planning of combat use for chemical weapons was handled at the Muthanna State Establishment by a special tactical group, but refused to provide any further information.


IV. Manufacturing Plants and Equipment

Although Iraq developed and produced chemical weapons at several secret locations, the main work was done at the Al-Muthanna State Establishment (MSE). It was the principal manufacturing site for both agents and munitions. It also served as a storehouse for precursor chemicals, filled chemical munitions and warfare agents in bulk. The MSE consisted of the Al Muthanna production facility, three precursor production sites at Al Fallujah, and munition stores at Muhammediyat. The Samarra site, also part of the MSE, was the prime production facility for Iraqi mustard gas and nerve agents.

Iraq also produced chemical munitions at a large complex known as Al Taji. UNSCOM found at Taji 6,000 empty canisters designed to be filled with chemical weapons for use in 122mm rockets.

In addition to its work on chemical agents and munitions, UNSCOM attempted to find and destroy hundreds of pieces of production equipment. Iraq admitted that 553 pieces of equipment located at 15 production plants had either made chemical precursors, agents or munitions or had been bought for that purpose. Nearly all of the equipment came from foreign companies. Most of it was at the MSE, including the facilities at Al-Fallujah. UNSCOM, in accounting for this equipment, reported that it was destroyed either as a result of the first Gulf War or under UNSCOM supervision. UNSCOM also destroyed an additional 197 pieces of glass production equipment that MSE had procured.


V. The Situation Prior to the Second Gulf War

After UNSCOM inspectors left Iraq in December 1998, U.S.-led forces bombed many sites believed to be chemical weapon plants. After the bombing, reports emerged that Iraq had rebuilt many of those sites, and that the sites appeared to be operating. It was inferred that Iraq had resumed its production of chemical weapons, and was adding new elements to the portion of its previous stockpile that had never been accounted for. No evidence confirming these inferences has emerged to date.

110 posted on 06/22/2006 6:22:55 AM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: treverburton

The only folks I see as being disappointed today are Bush haters and libs who lie about themselves.

111 posted on 06/22/2006 6:25:04 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

Read about what the libs say about the exact same WMD (sarin and nerve gas) in America from the WW2 era... Anniston Alabama is location for their destruction. See how they react to these old ammunitions... Including buying the town 22,000 adult gas masks at 225 dollars each (not including the special kids and baby ones), videos on how to protect themselves, 106 chemical warning sirens for the county, Residents in the pink zone also will get $365 recirculating air filters to put in one room of their homes etc...

Yep, don't let the libs lie their way out of this one... This stuff has people scared even from much much older stock...

112 posted on 06/22/2006 6:25:45 AM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: ChrisFelice1
the munitions in question, mostly artillery rounds, are unusable and have been for years...

Whether it matters or not, this statement is true.

113 posted on 06/22/2006 6:26:25 AM PDT by Kleon
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To: The G Man

"That's a maaaaahn, baby!"

114 posted on 06/22/2006 6:29:09 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: Raycpa

> The only folks I see as being disappointed today are Bush haters and libs who lie about themselves.

It isn't today that I'm referring to, it is the future if this turns out to be another false alarm. i'm sorry I have upset you.

115 posted on 06/22/2006 6:29:28 AM PDT by treverburton
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Your "straw and spitwad" argument doesn't hold an ounce of water. Sarin and mustard gasses degrade over time, but; 1)the amount of time needed to degrade the effectivness and lethality of any weaponized chemical agent is decades, not ten years, and; 2) It only took three of these rounds to kill over 5000 Kurds.

Separate the warhead from the shell casing, propellant and fuzing mechanism, and you've got a relatively small package which you can transport anywhere in the world. Let's say that the chemical agents have degraded to 50% effectiveness (impossible given the time since production, but let's use a round figure for argument's sake). If someone detonates just two or three rounds in the American city of your choice, imagine the casualties. Now, imagine that someone is able to detonate them in the air, micronizing the agent and dramatically increasing the area and rate of dispersal. And, let's say that they're able to do it with five warheads... or ten... or twenty.

Are you beginning to grasp the seriousness with which the military handles this threat?

116 posted on 06/22/2006 6:45:36 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU HAVE NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT. Actually, you lack even a legitimate excuse.)
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To: treverburton

What is false? The fact that its been acknowledged that there are a least 500 chemical weapons or the fact that liars come here claiming they are libs (sorry for redundancy) using language like "we" and "us".

I can deal with the facts, I just despise pretenders.

117 posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:05 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: weldon berger

Do you want the list of financing, the documented meetings between SH's folks and AQ or should we just recognize that AQ is very busy making a last stand in Iraq right now. The result of which is distracting them from attacking us at home.

Would you prefer that they aren't engaging directly with our military and instead were engaging with our civilians?

118 posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:56 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

So why did Saddam have them in violation of UN orders etc.? Why did he leave himself open, to well, an invasion and arrest and trial if they were not any use?

119 posted on 06/22/2006 6:49:04 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Raycpa; Gabz

"Again welcome,

Would you cut the "I'm a conservative act"? Its tiresome. At least drop the "we's" and "us's"."

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

120 posted on 06/22/2006 6:52:05 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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