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To: The G Man
The problem with this is that the Weapons found predate 1991 and could not be used for thier intended purpose.

They were so degraded that they were inert...

Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

7 posted on 06/22/2006 4:55:59 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (Mr. Franklin, what form of customes did you create in Tiajunna? A beeber, Madam, if you can stune it)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
"Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really."

Let's be glad W went in and took care of business so we didn't have to find out!

THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!

15 posted on 06/22/2006 4:58:22 AM PDT by The G Man (The Red States ... the world's only hope for survival.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer

As Fred Barnes said on Fox yesterday, the sarin/chemical/biological weapons program could have been up and running again in a matter of days, and used against Iraqis or our troops. Many other sites mentioned as having been found in that document, not just one.


22 posted on 06/22/2006 5:01:35 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Saddam was supposed to have destroyed all of the WMDs that he had before the Gulf War and he claimed that he did so. This report clearly shows that he lied. Moreover, according to the report, more than 500 of these weapons were found. As Senator Santorum points out, degraded or not the sarin and mustard in these weapons poses a threat. You can read more at this link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html


23 posted on 06/22/2006 5:03:37 AM PDT by steadfastconservative
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To: Zavien Doombringer
The problem with this is that the Weapons found predate 1991 and could not be used for thier intended purpose.

Not true at all.

Regarding Iraq's VX program, the documents indicate that the Iraqis "finished work on binary that had a long shelf life." Kamal states they were able to stabilize VX: "They were able to do it by splitting VX into binary. Bombs consisted of two parts, and they made it during the last days of the Iran-Iraq war. So the components were only mixed when fired." Link

29 posted on 06/22/2006 5:10:48 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Iraq primarily filled 155-mm projectiles [the same caliber as the IED in question] with high purity Mustard that remained stable during long-term storage. However, Iraq also provided some information and documents on the development and tests of 155-mm binary nerve agent (Sarin and Cycolosarin) projectiles. UNSCOM found several examples of these munitions at the Muthanna State Establishment. Iraq stated that, despite positive test results, no industrial-scale production of binary 155-mm projectiles occurred. . . . Iraq has provided a number of explanations regarding the disposition of approximately 550 unaccounted for Mustard filled 155-mm projectiles. UNSCOM, having determined that the Mustard . . . was likely to remain stable for a long period treated this issue as a serious matter.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1522544/posts


33 posted on 06/22/2006 5:11:49 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Zavien Doombringer
They were so degraded that they were inert...

Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

My reply to your "supposition" is the same as I've questioned others who have advanced this line of reasoning.

Then, how about if we store a few of those "inert," "spent" sarin gas shells in your basement, garage, or in your closet?

Waiting for you and others who think same to stand up and accept?

Uh, didn't think so!!!!

42 posted on 06/22/2006 5:21:47 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist
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To: Zavien Doombringer

"Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really."

If you come a cross a snake, assuming you can't immediately identify it, do you treat it as poisonous or not?

If you picked up a rusted old gun, would not treat it as if it were loaded and capable of working?

If you picked up a stick of dynamite, labeled as such, but stamped with the date 1884, would you not handle it with care?

Your "they weren't much of a threat" comment shows a lack of intelligence; whenever you deal with a WEAPON, you assume that it is capable of working or going off at any time.

Perhaps some of the shells might have been "degraded" or "inert", but it does not automatically follow that ALL of them were. It alsop doesn't follow that since we've 500 of them that we've found every last one the Iraqis hid. There are more of them out there, I'll guarentee it. I'll also guarentee that had a terrorist gotten his grubby hands on one of these things, he just might have tried to salvage that sarin or mustard gas and put it to use.

I wonder how the "it was degraded" crowd would react to that?

No weapon is ever INERT or DEGRADED until it is used, destroyed/disarmed by professionals or reclaimed completely by the earth. Just ask all the French farmers who keep losing crops and livestock to buried-and-never-found chemical rounds for the First World War. It's a common occurrance.

One other thing, becuaser you probably bought the second half of the dimwit's argument; the democrats have gone from arguing that there were no WMDs in Iraq, to having proof shoved in their face, to now arguing "yeah,but these aren't the RIGHT WMDS". That 'logic', besides being ridiculous, implies there are other WMDs out there, just waiting to be found, and that democrats KNOW about it.


52 posted on 06/22/2006 5:30:55 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

I wonder if you would like to put that theory to test? How about using your wife and kids as test subjects. Better yet, let's just give the bad guys the equipment that was used to make this stuff, equipment which has been found all over Iraq, and not worry about these "how much of a threat were they really" weapons.

Predisposition, ability, and intent were all present in pre-invasion Iraq, how hard is that to understand?

73 posted on 06/22/2006 5:43:52 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
They were so degraded that they were inert...

I dare you to take a hammer and beat one till it leaks. Just don't do it in my neighborhood.

78 posted on 06/22/2006 5:51:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
They were so degraded that they were inert...

You have proof of that? Would you keep one on your mantle-piece?
89 posted on 06/22/2006 6:03:06 AM PDT by Antoninus (I don't vote for liberals -- regardless of party.)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
"They were so degraded that they were inert... Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really. "

Well if the unclassified report is not a lie, and Santorum is not lying, the Sarin gas has degraded BUT IS STILL LETHAL.

Unless mushroom clouds start appearing over Iraq, the Democrat CARE (Cut And Run Experts) party will never agree that any weapon found constitutes a WMD.

You cannot win a debate with the Democrat CARE party as no lie is too extreme as long as they can blame America and regain power.

92 posted on 06/22/2006 6:06:54 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/16/Worldandnation/Not_Iraq__but_Annisto.shtml

Read about what the libs say about the exact same WMD (sarin and nerve gas) in America from the WW2 era... Anniston Alabama is location for their destruction. See how they react to these old ammunitions... Including buying the town 22,000 adult gas masks at 225 dollars each (not including the special kids and baby ones), videos on how to protect themselves, 106 chemical warning sirens for the county, Residents in the pink zone also will get $365 recirculating air filters to put in one room of their homes etc...

Yep, don't let the libs lie their way out of this one... This stuff has people scared even from much much older stock...

112 posted on 06/22/2006 6:25:45 AM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really.

So why did Saddam have them in violation of UN orders etc.? Why did he leave himself open, to well, an invasion and arrest and trial if they were not any use?

119 posted on 06/22/2006 6:49:04 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Not sure how much a threat they are. We would have to have experts tell us that. Doesn't matter. WMDs certainly existed. Therefore the statements the left makes that "there were no WMDs" is a lie and incorrect.


122 posted on 06/22/2006 6:55:12 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Er, uhm, maybe because THE LIB'S COULDN'T PROVE THAT THEY WERE UNRELIABLE until they were found? After all, the last time it was used, THEY WERE RELIABLE.

THEY DID KILL PEOPLE. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.


If I - with a known history of blowing up buildings - put a 500 lb bomb in your basement, but claim I had NO 500 lb bombs left over at all because I used all of them up, would YOU want the bomb removed from your basement, or would YOU merely "trust" your "friend" in the next neighborhood who also claims I have no bombs at all, and if I did have bombs, it was your fault that I put a bomb in your basement.


141 posted on 06/22/2006 7:08:19 AM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Zavien Doombringer
"The problem with this is that the Weapons found predate 1991 and could not be used for thier intended purpose. They were so degraded that they were inert... Sure they were found, but how much of a threat were they really" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The threat is not so much the chemicals but the warheads. What are they for? The warheads would be the slower and the more difficult of the two to manufacture. Chemicals break down fairly quickly but they can be mixed in a short time and used to arm these war heads. These warheads are a violation and should not be dismissed as nothing.
167 posted on 06/22/2006 7:37:32 AM PDT by inpajamas
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To: Zavien Doombringer

Are you willing to open one up and take a deep breath?


189 posted on 06/22/2006 9:32:49 AM PDT by mike70
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