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With Mass Retirements Looming, Feds Talk Up Government Work
Newhouse News ^ | 6/21/2006 | Chuck McCutcheon

Posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:12 AM PDT by Incorrigible

Linda Springer is director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. (Photo by Michael Temchine)

With Mass Retirements Looming, Feds Talk Up Government Work

BY CHUCK McCUTCHEON

About 60 percent of the government's 1.6 million civil service employees will be eligible to retire over the next decade, and about 40 percent are considered likely to do so, says Linda Springer, director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management. (Photo by Michael Temchine)

 

WASHINGTON -- The federal government is scrambling to deal with what experts and lawmakers say is a looming potential disaster: the retirements of thousands of its most experienced employees.

The U.S. agency handling personnel policies is running TV ads in cities from Michigan to Mississippi, talking up government service to potential applicants. And it is asking other agencies to identify jobs with enough flexibility that employees can work from home or stagger their hours.

"The JetBlues and Googles of the world are already doing these things," said Linda Springer, director of the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, referring to two companies known for creative workplace practices. "We have to get out there and win our share of talent. ... We don't have a choice."

About 60 percent of the government's 1.6 million civil service employees will be eligible to retire over the next decade, and about 40 percent are considered likely to do so, Springer said. Many are baby boomers with long careers at a single agency.

Left unaddressed, Springer and others say, the wave of departures will make government more vulnerable to innumerable problems. These range from being unable to adequately assist the public in processing Medicare benefits and other paperwork to not fixing pitfalls revealed by Hurricane Katrina.

"The consequences are almost beyond all imagination in some sense," said Max Stier, president and CEO of the Partnership for Public Service, a nonprofit group working on the retirement issue. "You don't have to look further than a disaster like Katrina or the implementation of the Medicare drug benefit or Iraq -- all have a significant connection to the quality of the federal work force."

Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, blamed current Katrina-related contracting problems at the Department of Homeland Security at least in part on the fact that inexperienced people have filled the shoes of knowledgeable officials.

"We're losing a level of expertise that is alarming," Collins said. "It's a major problem."

To attract new talent, the Office of Personnel Management began running its 30-second TV spots in May. The ads feature employees talking about their work doing safety testing on cars, using computer models to study weather, and protecting the environment.

The spots seek to counter the notion "that a federal job means coming to Washington and having to sit at a desk," Springer said. About 85 percent of federal civilian employees work outside the capital.

The ads first ran in Flint and Saginaw, Mich., and Spartanburg, S.C. Others followed in Cincinnati; Biloxi and Gulfport, Miss.; and the Quad Cities of Illinois and Iowa.

Springer said the areas were picked because of their large pools of job-seekers and because the agency could buy time relatively cheaply. The ads mentioned www.usajobs.gov, a federal Web site, generating "thousands of hits," she said.

Among those responding was Suzy Koepplinger, 40, of Saginaw, who is interested in an administrative position in nearby East Lansing, which she saw on usajobs.gov.

"I would love to be employed with a government agency making a decent wage," said Koepplinger, who did administrative work for city government for 12 years before being laid off for budget reasons.

She now has an entry-level job in the Saginaw County treasurer's office. "I went from $23.90 an hour to $10 an hour," she said, "and I'm wondering how I'm going to keep my house."

Springer's office also launched a program in which federal agencies are asked to identify greater numbers of jobs that can be filled in non-traditional ways. The idea is to offer more jobs with flexible working hours or that enable people to work from home.

Some federal offices already use such options. At the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, budget analyst Lauren Ailes of Alexandria, Va., said she and her husband -- who also works for the agency -- have staggered their work schedules since their daughter's birth last year.

"This is wonderful for us," Ailes said. "I get my mornings and evenings with her, and my husband spends the bulk of his days with her, which not many dads do."

Springer said a third part of her agency's strategy on retirements will be addressing how to process job applications so new hires aren't delayed by time-consuming background checks.

The Partnership for Public Service's Stier said such moves are positive, as long as agencies follow through.

But other experts are skeptical.

"I don't think these kinds of changes are going to do much," said Paul Light, a New York University professor who studies the federal bureaucracy. "You can do public-service announcements and talk about how wonderful the federal government is, but most people see the private and nonprofit sectors as a better place to work."

Steve Kreisberg, collective bargaining director for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees in Washington, said more emphasis must be placed on higher pay for experienced people at all levels of government. Kreisberg also said the Bush administration should set a better tone.

"You have a lot of anti-federal government rhetoric from the very administration that is now seeking to hire more people," he said. "You don't hear the CEO of General Electric bad-mouthing his company and then saying, `Come work for me."'

June 21, 2006(Chuck McCutcheon can be contacted at chuck.mccutcheon@newhouse.com.)

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Buh-bye Baby Boomer Union Members!
1 posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:14 AM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: qam1

Generation Reagan Bump


2 posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:36 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible
Buh-bye Baby Boomer Union Members!

Bring on the Gen X Union Members. The sad thing is the BEST jobs are now Government jobs and essentually the division in America is between those who live off taxes and those who pay taxes.

3 posted on 06/22/2006 6:52:11 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Incorrigible

Out of 1.6 million civil service employees, about 400 are fired in the average year for cause. We must be blessed with near perfect employees...NOT.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 6:52:15 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Incorrigible

Great, this means that they are going to hire more dead weight in their rush to replace the dead weight that is retiring. Our taxes could easily be halved along with the staff if government employees had to put forth the effort that every other worker has to to keep their jobs. Luckily they do not have to be profitable and can just tax us more to keep all these cush jobs filled.


5 posted on 06/22/2006 6:57:10 AM PDT by Teflonic
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To: Incorrigible

What unions do federal workers belong to?


6 posted on 06/22/2006 6:57:15 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Incorrigible

Maybe I can give up my private sector job and get a gub-mint position...


7 posted on 06/22/2006 6:57:40 AM PDT by Pondman88
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To: ncountylee

The time from announcing the position to the actual day the new hire shows up for work is unbelievably slooooooow. 6 months is the norm and if you need a higher security clearance, how about 9-10 (That’s OK if it keeps the knuckleheads from getting TS clearances.) Industry will hire you in much more quickly.

So, if you want to refresh the workforce with talented people or new college grads. This problem will exacerbate as time goes on unless the Fed does something to streamline the hiring process.


8 posted on 06/22/2006 7:00:49 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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To: ncountylee

You can take it a step further.

Workers at public universities are in essence government employees. It's virtually impossible to fire them.

What happens to deaddicks who work in higher ed is, a new position with better pay and less responsibility is created, and they're "promoted" into it where they can't do any harm.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 7:01:30 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: em2vn

Here's one of them:

http://www.afge.org/


10 posted on 06/22/2006 7:01:47 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

This is misleading. For the past 20 years, the federal gummint has been outsourcing & privatizing more and more of what it does. So while the people doing the work are not technically federal employees, they are doing what federal employees used to do.

At some federal agencies I work with, the contractors sit at desks next to federal employees, and use the agency's phones & computers & supplies. It is impossible to tell federal employees & contractors apart in meetings. The only difference is where their checks come from -- US Treasury or "ATL" (ATL = "Any Three Letters" = Beltway Bandit)

PLUS, when federal employees retire what do they do? Become consultants for the same contractors! Federal employees spend the last decade of their careers throwing money to their former colleagues who are now contractors, knowing that when they retire their younger colleagues will do the same for them. "Paying it forward."

THEREFORE, if the entire federal workforce retired tomorrow, the gummint's wheels will keep grinding your tax dollars into crumbs.


11 posted on 06/22/2006 7:01:50 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: Incorrigible

Oh, now I get it..... These are among the jobs that "Americans don't want."


12 posted on 06/22/2006 7:02:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: em2vn

And another:

http://www.nffe.org/


13 posted on 06/22/2006 7:02:59 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Incorrigible

One of the side effects of this is the fact that they are losing people to manage wildfires, because it's a summer only job that requires professional level management skills and a lot of training. Used to work for the FS and BLM and BIA and Park Service. Now they've been outsourced, competitive sourced and retired out.

There's no mechanism in place (say, built on the National Guard model or something like that) to replace them.

Some things are going to be hard as heck to privatize. Fireline management at the Type 2 and Type 1 and Area Command levels will be almost imposible to, unless someone figures out how to convince a professional level person at high risk for lawsuit if something goes wrong that they can work June through September and make a year's worth of money (which currently they cannot).


14 posted on 06/22/2006 7:04:27 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: PurpleMan

PM,
You are so right. If you ever hear back at all. I applied for a job in Navy contracts like 10 years ago. Still haven't heard anything...

And it took about 3-4 months to be turned down for a museum job in the Dept of Interior (iirc). It was the most detailed rejection letter I ever got- all sorts of charts and text describing why I wasn't going to be hired.

The only gubmint gig that you can start almost immediately is the military!


15 posted on 06/22/2006 7:04:40 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: rhombus
The sad thing is the BEST jobs are now Government jobs and essentually the division in America is between those who live off taxes and those who pay taxes.

In Illinois, (where unfortunately I live) you could never get one of these jobs anyway, unless you are politically hooked up with the power brokers.

16 posted on 06/22/2006 7:06:33 AM PDT by Protagoras ("A real decision is measured by the fact that you have taken a new action"... Tony Robbins)
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To: rhombus

We live off taxes and pay taxes so it is a zero sum game.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 7:06:41 AM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Gefreiter
Workers at public universities are in essence government employees. It's virtually impossible to fire them.

The same is true in primary and secondary education.

Elimination of public employees unions would be a great public service.

18 posted on 06/22/2006 7:07:40 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Incorrigible

Maybe if they weren't so generous with taxpayer-dollar pensions more would stay on the job longer.


20 posted on 06/22/2006 7:08:35 AM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Incorrigible

It never occurs to this writer that the federal bureaucratic culture is an anathema to a constitutional republic.

The fact that this unelected bureaucratic culture can write law, enforce that law and judge that law through its adminstrative courts is completely illegal. Under our constitution, only the legislature may write law.

Unaccountable bureaucrats writing law is one of the primary traits of any totalitarian dictatorship. When a bureaucrat writes a bad law, where is our redress? He can't be voted out of office. He can't be recalled through petition. We can't fire him.

This bureaucratic culture is a curse from the Marxist FDR and our unelected socialist courts. And congress won't step in to stop bureaucrats from writing law because it provides cover for these spineless weasels to blame bureaucrats for bad law.

The entire federal bureaucratic culture is odious and illegal.


21 posted on 06/22/2006 7:09:12 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: meowmeow
We live off taxes and pay taxes so it is a zero sum game.

You pay as much as you make? Why go to work? ;-)

22 posted on 06/22/2006 7:09:50 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Incorrigible; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; m18436572; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social (and sometimes nostalgic) aspects that directly effects Generation Reagan / Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details and previous articles.

23 posted on 06/22/2006 7:11:33 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Incorrigible

Perhaps the Government budget can shrink if all these people retire and the economy is so hot nobody would want to work for the feds.

(Well, I can dream, can't I?)


24 posted on 06/22/2006 7:12:23 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Zarqawi is Dead: Celebrate with a Pork Chop and a Beer!)
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To: Incorrigible
Recently a school district tried to recruit me to teach engineering technology. I had been doing volunteer teaching with the local machinist apprentice program, and teaching technology teachers about cad/cam. Here's how it went.
Submit massive amounts of documentation to them within their 1 week application period ( not just a resume for them to check out, but arranging to have verification sent to them from all employers)
Go through an interview process.( scheduled one day in advance).
Understanding I would have to take a cut in pay to become a teacher.
A verbal offer.
I asked for a written offer.
They freaked out, we don't do this.
Ok then an estimate of salary based on my submitted experience.
response was HR takes up to 6 months to verify the data your former employers submit. If approved we will back pay you around Christmas. After several fruitless telephone conversations, I couldn't' accept a 50% cut in pay with the hope it might be restored to 75% in 6 months.
I emailed them , in a nice way, thanks but no thanks I decline the position.

The day after I sent the email, I get a telephone message,they now want to start an accelerated review process to cut it down to 1-3 months.
Still nothing in writing.
They can't seem to understand why I turned them down. Business as usual at the bureaucratic morass.
And a formal rejection of the offer evidently didn't register. If i make someone a job offer, and they reject it, I believe them, and move on to the next candidate.
25 posted on 06/22/2006 7:12:53 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Incorrigible

Thank you.


26 posted on 06/22/2006 7:15:04 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Incorrigible
The federal government is scrambling to deal with what experts and lawmakers say is a looming potential disaster: the retirements of thousands of its most experienced employees.

Can't fire them. Consider this a downsize by attrition.

The DNC will be losing the payout to a dependable voter base.

27 posted on 06/22/2006 7:17:37 AM PDT by weegee (happy holidays and seasons greetings...)
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To: Teflonic

Exactly, just let attrition do what some many weak-kneed politicians can't.


28 posted on 06/22/2006 7:18:20 AM PDT by stevio (Red-Blooded Crunchy Con American Male (NRA))
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To: PurpleMan

"The time from announcing the position to the actual day the new hire shows up for work is unbelievably slooooooow."

That tells me that the position is not necessary and we could get by with not filling it.


29 posted on 06/22/2006 7:22:35 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: meowmeow

This is how unions destroyed the ethic of public service. "We live off taxes and pay taxes so it is a zero sum game."


30 posted on 06/22/2006 7:26:33 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: rhombus
Buh-bye Baby Boomer Union Members!

Bring on the Gen X Union Members. The sad thing is the BEST jobs are now Government jobs and essentually the division in America is between those who live off taxes and those who pay taxes.

The good news is that Generation X Federal employees aren't joining the unions. Most don't think they are worth the money, and the few who do join usually quit after they see the corruption and the Union's willingness to move Heaven and earth to keep the deadweight on the payroll.

31 posted on 06/22/2006 7:27:50 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Our man in washington
The good news is that Generation X Federal employees aren't joining the unions.

I'd like to believe that but I betcha they are still voting for pro-public union Democrats.

32 posted on 06/22/2006 7:29:20 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Incorrigible

Sounds like a great time to institute a hiring freeze to me.


33 posted on 06/22/2006 7:31:16 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Incorrigible

The trick is here is to fill these positions with contractors, so that agencies may change and/or evolve more quickly.


34 posted on 06/22/2006 7:31:28 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: Incorrigible
"You have a lot of anti-federal government rhetoric from the very administration that is now seeking to hire more people,"

From this administration? What color is the sky in this person's world?

This is another one I file in the "I wish it was true" column.

35 posted on 06/22/2006 7:31:58 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Latest on the Ohio gov race http://blackwellvstrickland.blogspot.com)
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To: stevio
I wonder about this. I was optimistic when Bush was campaigning in 2000 and they said 50% of fed workforce would retire in four years. Didn't happen, apparently.

My experience is that agencies are full of minimally qualified clerks who are not qualified to do much but push papers. I had some dealings with the IRS and thought that it would have been much easier if we had been talking to lawyers and accountants. Same with a Florida agancy. However, the desire of politicians to provide patronage jogs for people who can't get jobs elsewhere goes against any streamlining and upgrading of systems. Newt is talking about the problem, but I don't see how he implements his solution.

36 posted on 06/22/2006 7:35:02 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: jk4hc4

They're not all slackers. I know several ex-military people who work for DOD. A lot of people don't realize that the rape of the military under Clinton included cutting thousands of civilians as well as uniformed personnel. DOD is way understaffed in a lot of areas and my friends bust their butts for that gubmint paycheck doing the jobs that two or three people used to do. Some are even deployed to war zones.

As for the non-DOD part of the government, don't get me started...


37 posted on 06/22/2006 7:41:52 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: ncountylee

Your statement speaks volumes -- takes 2-3 years to fire someone if not more than that!


38 posted on 06/22/2006 7:43:54 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (Elect Bob Sullivan OK Governor -- Throw out Dem Gov DoLittle Henry in 2006!)
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To: sergeantdave

Really??????!!! sarcasm off

I'm about tired of legislation without representation, which is one of the things that started the Revolution. Nobody voted for these pricks, and they should NOT be making "Rulings".


39 posted on 06/22/2006 7:44:01 AM PDT by 308MBR ( Somebody sold the GOP to the socialists, and the GOP wasn't theirs to sell.)
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To: LadyNavyVet
As for the non-DOD part of the government, don't get me started...

There are ex-military folks working outside the DOD, do you consider them slackers because they chose a different agency to work for?

40 posted on 06/22/2006 7:48:12 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: PhiKapMom
takes 2-3 years to fire someone if not more than that!

Really. We've fired 2 employees this last years and it took less then 3 months on each.

The main reason it takes so long, is because management fails to properly record the employees short comings.

If the employee screws up dozens of times, but management only writes the employee up once, you won't be able to fire that employee for his past defiances. It's easy to fire employees, when management does it's job.

41 posted on 06/22/2006 7:51:18 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Incorrigible

Can you say downsize?


43 posted on 06/22/2006 8:04:22 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: Incorrigible
Having worked for the federal government for 4 years from 2000-2004 as an contract auditor I think I might be able to provide some insight.

I started as a GS-09 and left as a GS-13. I think the main difference between the private sector and government is that the private sector tends to weed out the dead weight early. The "dead weight" in government tends to settle at the middle management (GS-12 - GS-14) levels and comfortable sit there for their entire careers.

The employees that come to the government looking to work hard and "make a difference" tend to get disillusioned and either leave after a few years like I did or just decide to "go with the flow" and do what's asked of them and nothing more.

Being a "go-getter" isn't rewarded at all and is often stifled by the dead weight middle management that feels threatened by go-getters. I learned this lesson early, when I was given my first real assignment and was given 90 days to complete it. I completed it in half the time I was given. Instead of being praised, I was called into the bosses office and told that I needed to "spread out" my work more to make sure I use then entire 90 days.

44 posted on 06/22/2006 8:07:38 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Marine Inspector

...do you consider them slackers...




It depends on what they do and how dedicated they are in doing it. My experience with federal government workers outside of DOD is limited, but the ones I've come across, frankly, don't impress me.

Much of what the government does should be done by the private sector or not at all. My husband was once offered a whole lot of money to work for the IRS on a special project. He turned it down, because he considers the income tax immoral and wasn't about to lend his expertise to the "bloodsuckers," as he calls them.

Not all non-DOD government employees are slackers, of course, but if someone has chosen to spend their life working for Health and Human Services dreaming up creative ways to give people more welfare benefits, perhaps they should reexamine their priorities.


45 posted on 06/22/2006 8:17:02 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: apillar
The "dead weight" in government tends to settle at the middle management (GS-12 - GS-14) levels and comfortable sit there for their entire careers.

Mostly correct, but there is alto of dead weight at the GS-09 through GS-13 non management positions also.

The employees that come to the government looking to work hard and "make a difference" tend to get disillusioned and either leave after a few years like I did or just decide to "go with the flow" and do what's asked of them and nothing more.

Again, that's mostly correct, but it depends on the agency. My self and many of my coworkers have been doing our jobs, working hard and making a difference and we defiantly, don't "go with the flow".

Being a "go-getter" isn't rewarded at all and is often stifled by the dead weight middle management that feels threatened by go-getters.

Again, that depends on the agency. Our agency definitely promotes the go getters, the problem is, we are not a top heavy organization and their are few opportunities for advancement and they are very competitive.

46 posted on 06/22/2006 8:19:02 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: apillar

I had a Govt union job in the education industry. Quit after 6 months. Could not stand it.

I guess I'll stick with non-union jobs.


47 posted on 06/22/2006 8:23:29 AM PDT by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils and in the end, you still have, well, evil.)
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To: ASOC

Not all federal jobs are union and not all federal workers are union.


48 posted on 06/22/2006 8:28:28 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (Government is not the solution to our problem; Government is the problem)
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To: Incorrigible
About 60 percent of the government's 1.6 million civil service employees will be eligible to retire over the next decade, and about 40 percent are considered likely to do so

How will we know when they have retired?

Can't we replace them with the illegal aliens that the White House and Senate RINOs say we can't do without?

49 posted on 06/22/2006 8:42:29 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: Marine Inspector

Yup - this was a local school district.

Ya, I know - what was I thinking!


50 posted on 06/22/2006 8:44:07 AM PDT by ASOC (Choose between the lesser of two evils and in the end, you still have, well, evil.)
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