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Flag burning again (MoonBats UNHINGED-election year revival of that mother of all non-issues)
Register-Guard ^ | Thursday, June 22, 2006

Posted on 06/22/2006 9:34:21 AM PDT by IrishMike

If anyone needs further proof - not that anyone does these days - that the Republican leadership in Congress is both desperate and clueless, it's the election-year revival of that mother of all non-issues: flag desecration.

The U.S. House passed this tread-worn measure last year, and the Senate Judiciary Committee approved it last week. Even though Congress has no shortage of real issues, ranging from the war in Iraq to global warming, clamoring for its attention, the full Senate will begin debate next week on a proposed constitutional amendment to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

As if that weren't dismaying enough, here's worse news: Even though the proposal has repeatedly been defeated in the past, supporters are within just a vote or two of passing this great flapping albatross of an amendment. If that happens, it would go to the states for ratification, and it's unnerving to remember that legislatures in all 50 have adopted resolutions in support.

So, once more we rise wearily to point out the obvious - a constitutional amendment allowing Congress to criminally punish the "physical desecration" of the American flag isn't needed because no one is out there burning flags. Even if they were, the First Amendment states with unmistakable clarity that Congress shall "make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech." That applies to everything from Ku Klux Klan marchers to federal lawmakers who wear stars-and-stripes neckties.

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Can anyone other than me see and smell the fear from the Main Stream Media and the Democratic party ?????

Smells good... like rare filet mignon with mushrooms & sauteed onions

1 posted on 06/22/2006 9:34:25 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

Don't care about this issue-- burn away, moonbats-- and look like the moonbat jackasses you are on national television.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 9:36:37 AM PDT by agooga (Less of the stuff that is bad for you / more of the stuff that is good for you.)
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To: agooga

Get the EPA and Fire Dept. on them for pollution and unsafe fire in public.

I'm sure that there can be public ordinances about this (burning anything, not just flags).


3 posted on 06/22/2006 9:39:04 AM PDT by weegee (happy holidays and seasons greetings...)
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To: IrishMike

I don't care about the issue either. It provides a good opportunity for people to reveal themselves.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 9:39:41 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: weegee

I hear flag burning contributes to global warming.


5 posted on 06/22/2006 9:40:19 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: IrishMike
no shortage of real issues, ranging from the war in Iraq to global warming,

LOL, global warming?? This mutant thinks the Congress can do a damned thing about global warming?? So what should Congress do, pass legislation restricting solar output? The fool who wrote this piece reveals his true libnut colors with that remark, along with the idea that Congress has any role to play in Iraq other than on funding. I'm sure what he thinks needs done is passing some sort of retreat and defeat resolution. Sorry loser, it's not going to happen. I'd rather have Congress working on flag burning resolutions than on bridge burning resolutions regarding Iraq.

6 posted on 06/22/2006 9:40:37 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: agooga

Wrong forum to voice such nonsense. I and many other Freepers will not allow you or anyone else to easily toss our flag over to be desecrated by the barbarians.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 9:48:16 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: IrishMike

A amendment to cancel part of the 1st amendment. No thanks.


8 posted on 06/22/2006 9:51:50 AM PDT by chesty_puller (USMC 70-73 3MAF VN 70-71)
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To: MikeA

...no shortage of real issues, ranging from the war in Iraq to global warming,....


You're absolutely correct, this obvious ClinToon/Bore fan considers global warming equal to WAR.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 9:52:11 AM PDT by IrishMike (Democrats .... Stuck on Stupid, RINO's ...the most vicious judas goats)
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To: IrishMike

Not to throw cold water on this, but I don't think anyone knows how often the flag gets desecrated by people who want to protect it.
http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagbush.htm

Isn't that flag desecration?

Just FYI, but here's what the US Flag Code says about what Bush did:

TITLE 4 > CHAPTER 1 > § 8

§ 8. Respect for flag

(g) The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

I'm not sayin' anything, i'm just sayin'.....


10 posted on 06/22/2006 9:58:20 AM PDT by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: muawiyah

I love the flag as much as you do-- but I love what it STANDS for so much more that I am compelled to accept the FREEDOM that comes with it-- even if that freedom allows a jackass moonbat to destroy a flag on television.

Flags are symbols. Flags are woven from cloth, like a shirt. Flags are not sacred objects-- they REPRESENT sacred ideals.

Additionally, what defines a flag? Can I make a flag with 12 stripes and burn it without penalty? Can I remove a star and burn it? Can I make one out of an old bedsheet and weak dye, like the ragheads do, and burn that without penalty?

Just like freedom of religion does not equate to freedom "from" religion-- we are not free from the vile intentions of moonbats and America haters.

They will ALWAYS find a way to piss you off.

So I am not moved by this ammendment and never particularly will be.

And by the way, this is EXACTLY the right forum to post this kind of nonsense.


11 posted on 06/22/2006 10:04:05 AM PDT by agooga (Less of the stuff that is bad for you / more of the stuff that is good for you.)
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To: agooga
First thing it stands for is it's MY FLAG, handed down to me by my forefathers and mothers in a long line reaching back through every conflict to the very foundations of the republic.

No one has a right to desecrate my flag, nor to give anyone else the permission to do so.

Flag desecration is an act of war. I fight only in self defense.

12 posted on 06/22/2006 10:06:42 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: agooga

I've always wondered about those Chinese made American flags they hand out at the Fourth of July parades.

I consider that desecration, especially since they're made in a Communist country by people who live on less than $3/day. I would be in favor of an Amendment requiring all flags be made in America, then maybe you can convince me to support an Amendment banning burning it, MAYBE...


13 posted on 06/22/2006 10:09:10 AM PDT by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: IrishMike

Isn't it amazing? These same people who don't think we can defeat a few thousand jihadists in Iraq and think we need to retreat at once think however we can control the earth's temperature and the sun's output. LMAO. What dopes.


14 posted on 06/22/2006 10:12:07 AM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: IrishMike

It's simple...if you're going to allow flag-burning protests as a free-expression issue, then you should allow setting the flag-burners on fire as an acceptable method of joining the debate. It's only fair.


15 posted on 06/22/2006 10:12:13 AM PDT by RichInOC ("AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!")
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To: rightupnorth

That's not the american flag.

The code (if you read it further) also stipulates the 'size' of the flag.

That 'memento' that the President is signing doesn't constitute a 'flag'.


16 posted on 06/22/2006 10:13:47 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

so it's ok to burn it, then?


17 posted on 06/22/2006 10:15:14 AM PDT by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: rightupnorth

Burning is the only 'santioned' way of disposing of a flag.

But buring that 'memento' does mean anything.


18 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:14 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

santioned = SanCtioned.


19 posted on 06/22/2006 10:17:46 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: IrishMike
Can anyone other than me see and smell the fear from the Main Stream Media and the Democratic party ?????

Yes, it's the fear that Congress will not put this on the agenda. This November, the Democrats have quite an arsenal. They will show what a Republican controlled Congress and White House can do, debate flag burning, debate marriage amendments, call a special session to debate Terri Schiavo, etc. Then they will ask what the Republican controlled Congress was able to do about immigration reform, social security reform, Medicare prescription drugs, gas prices, and the annual appropriations, none of which will be approved by the elections.

In addition, the Senate seems impotent when it comes to handling judicial nominations lately, but can find the time to debate Iraq pullout resolutions. But, I suspect they will find time for the Summer recess.

Fear? Doubt it.

Our only hope is that Murtha, Kennedy, Feingold and a few others keep flapping their gums.

20 posted on 06/22/2006 10:18:07 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: muawiyah

Well, you seem pretty entrenched in your beliefs, and I respect them and where they come from. Soldier on!


21 posted on 06/22/2006 10:21:01 AM PDT by agooga (Semper Fidelis)
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To: Bigh4u2

"But buring that 'memento' does mean anything."

Doesn't!!

Sheese. Spell checker broke!


22 posted on 06/22/2006 10:21:01 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: muawiyah
Flag desecration is an act of war. I fight only in self defense.

Stop hyperventilating. If a country is so weak that burning a bit of Chinese cloth causes it to crumble, it wasn't worth much anyway.

The US flag is not a Holy Relic. Feel free to marginalize people who insist on burning it, but outlawing that action is obscene.

23 posted on 06/22/2006 10:22:39 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: MACVSOG68
Then they will ask what the Republican controlled Congress was able to do about immigration reform,

Both Houses passed bills that were irreconcilable.

social security reform,

Dems cheered when it died, and for now it is dead

Medicare prescription drugs,

Passed last year

gas prices,

They proved that grandstanding won't bring the price down

and the annual appropriations,

As long as all the welfare queens don't experiece check interruptus, they won't care.

24 posted on 06/22/2006 10:24:22 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Latest on the Ohio gov race http://blackwellvstrickland.blogspot.com)
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To: Bigh4u2

Burning is the only sanctioned way of disposing of a Flag no longer fit for service, so if I go to a Flag Day celebration and state an opinion like "I wish we would leave Iraq" or "Bush is an idiot when it comes to immigration" before I toss my worn out Old Glory on the fire, am I guilty of desecration?

Who was it that said "I do not agree with the things you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say them"?


25 posted on 06/22/2006 10:25:19 AM PDT by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: tortoise

Really ~ its my property. How about that. I own the copyright.


26 posted on 06/22/2006 10:26:34 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: NeoCaveman

Heck, sounds like the Republicans should clean up this Fall. (/sarcasm)


27 posted on 06/22/2006 10:28:13 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68

Unlike the driveby media, I only expect them to lose net one Senate seat, and maybe lose 5 (net) House seats.

I've been pretty good on predictions in the past, but ususally wait until October - as a lot can happen between now and then.


28 posted on 06/22/2006 10:30:09 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Latest on the Ohio gov race http://blackwellvstrickland.blogspot.com)
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To: MACVSOG68
Then they will ask what the Republican controlled Congress was able to do about immigration reform, social security reform, Medicare prescription drugs, gas prices, and the annual appropriations, none of which will be approved by the elections.

Energy costs will be on the voters minds in November. The RP continues to drive voters away with this silly flag stunt.
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29 posted on 06/22/2006 10:31:10 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: rightupnorth
Who was it that said "I do not agree with the things you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say them"?

Voltaire.

It is appalling that the Republicans are throwing out these unimportant gimmick issues while abdicating responsibility for the really serious issues they should be addressing. The Republicans are playing us for chumps.

30 posted on 06/22/2006 10:32:17 AM PDT by tortoise
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To: tortoise

yep, it shows how tone deaf they are about how bad things are getting out here in the "hinterlands"


31 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:20 AM PDT by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: rightupnorth

I stated a fact about what you would call a 'flag', which I pointed out doesn't not fit the definition of a 'flag'.

I'm not here to argue with you or anyone else as to whether burning a flag is a right or not.


32 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:39 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Bigh4u2

fair enough.

I'm just frustrated with all this silliness.


33 posted on 06/22/2006 10:42:23 AM PDT by rightupnorth (Just cause you've got one doesn't mean you have to be one.)
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To: NeoCaveman

I sure hope you're right. But somehow it's beginning to feel a bit like 1994...in reverse. And I was optimistic in '04. If the Republicans lose either house, they will never again have the advantage they've had now for the past few years. Iraq is the most important thing we have going, and the polls reflect most Americans aren't happy with that.


34 posted on 06/22/2006 10:43:56 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: mugs99
Energy costs will be on the voters minds in November. The RP continues to drive voters away with this silly flag stunt.

Agreed.

35 posted on 06/22/2006 10:45:04 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: muawiyah

I was in a class about how to teach Vacation Bible school the day when the last Supreme Court decision permitting it was announced. We went around the table, and all held that it was a horrible decision: except me.

I said "My Bible says that "You will have no other G-ds before me." Medieval law divided authority into the Sacred, the subject of Church Courts, and the Profane, the subject of various Government Courts. The Flag of the Government would be a Profane symbol, and could not be desecrated, as it was not Sacred."

Having said that, I will say that the proper way to burn the flag is to use scissors to separate the blue Union canton from the stripes. After that, it is no longer the national flag, and it should be burned respectfully, in memory of the symbol it once was.


36 posted on 06/22/2006 10:46:47 AM PDT by donmeaker (Burn the UN flag publicly.)
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To: agooga

Bravo! That was so well stated I had to send a response.


37 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:57 AM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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To: IrishMike
Forget this crap and introduce a useful Constitutional amendment (e.g. "The sixteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed.")
38 posted on 06/22/2006 10:48:45 AM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: muawiyah

Rubbish! People absolutely do and should have the right to burn the flag in protest. We may not like it, but that is the price of freedom. We don't always like others opinions and we don't have the right not to be offended.


39 posted on 06/22/2006 10:51:04 AM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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To: donmeaker

Really doesn't matter as long as its my flag.


40 posted on 06/22/2006 10:52:20 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: Mazda3Fan
The price of freedom does not entail giving you the privilege of inviting everyone in to run rampant all over my property rights.

It's my flag and you will please forebear from giving it away to pigs and sluts.

41 posted on 06/22/2006 10:53:55 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah
It is not up to you, or any other FReepers. If someone wants to take away my right, or anyone else's, to express political dissent, they will have to overcome my 2nd Amendment rights in order to do so.

Bunch of WATBs who want to amend our Constitution so we can join the ranks of authoritarian governments that criminally punish flag-burning. Great - let's be like Iran, Iraq, China, Cuba, the former USSR, etc.

As Boortz says, so well: My default position is freedom. Before you move to restrict that freedom, you better be able to demonstrate a damn good reason to do so. And playing pure politics with something that almost never occurs and which, when it does occur in any fashion covered by this legislation, is only punishable because of the INTENT involved does not even approach being a good reason.

42 posted on 06/22/2006 10:53:59 AM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: lugsoul

My property rights combined with my second amendment rights gives me a larger bore and greater range. So, keep your s--hooks off my stuff.


43 posted on 06/22/2006 10:54:42 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: tortoise

Voltair was a foreigner ~ a Frenchman to be exact. He had no property right in the American flag to protect.


44 posted on 06/22/2006 10:55:32 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

My understanding is that most flag burners buy them from the store.

So it is normally their flag that they burn.


45 posted on 06/22/2006 10:56:03 AM PDT by donmeaker (Burn the UN flag publicly.)
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To: muawiyah
No one has a right to desecrate my flag, nor to give anyone else the permission to do so.
Flag desecration is an act of war. I fight only in self defense.

Er... a couple guys in dark sunglasses just dropped by wanting to have a chat with you....

46 posted on 06/22/2006 10:56:51 AM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: MACVSOG68
I've concered a reverse 1994, the main reason I don't see it happening is the results from the special election in CA-50. I know special elections can be strange but this one was so typical that I don't think it is a fluke. The Left gets 44-46% of the vote all the time, like (Gore+Nader in 2000 and Kerry in 2004. Busby, the Dem got 45.5%. If the culture of corruption worked anywhere it would be in CA-50 where the former congressman is behind bars.

As for the war in Iraq, apparently Republicans think it works for them - see the recent House and Senate votes. It's probably a lot like Nixon and 'Nam, a decent percentage of the sour people are probably upset that we ain't blowing enough stuff up. Most Americans, except the granola munching Left, hate losing more than they hate war.

Based on the CA-50 results among other things, I've rejected 1994 as a template and moved on to 1998 as my template.

Plus the Dems have offered no alternative. I did an experiment on a middle of the road voter, I said Speaker Nancy Pelosi and it scared her half to death.

Lastly the gerrymandering of the House and the fact that that GOP only has to defend 15 seats in the Senate, to the Dims 18 are structural GOP advantages.

47 posted on 06/22/2006 10:57:20 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (The Latest on the Ohio gov race http://blackwellvstrickland.blogspot.com)
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To: muawiyah

You don't own my flag. You don't own my neighbor's flag. Your idiotic statements about property rights would indicate that you think you own everyone's flag. What are you - some kind of communist?


48 posted on 06/22/2006 10:58:04 AM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: lugsoul

First off, it's my flag, not yours, and I inherited it. It's simply not yours to give away. Not everybody in this country "owns" that flag either because it's not a case of simple presence or attendance that allows the claim of ownership.


49 posted on 06/22/2006 10:58:20 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

You don't own the flag. People now and in the past have defended what the flag represents not the flag itself!


50 posted on 06/22/2006 10:59:01 AM PDT by Mazda3Fan
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