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2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage
March 2003 UN Iraq WMD Report ^ | June 22 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 06/22/2006 11:38:34 AM PDT by jveritas

Since the story broke yesterday about finding 500 Shells of Chemical Weapons in Iraq, shells that contain Sulfur Mustard Gas or Sarin Gas, the Left and their media were quick to dismiss this extremely important find by using the lame excuse that these Chemical weapons Shells were produced before 1991 and hence its not effective anymore because it has much lower quality”. However in March 2003 UN report about Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction there is the following on page 77 (Page 79 of the pdf file), paragraph 1 of the report http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf :

“ The Sulfur Mustard contained in artillery shells that had been stored for over 12 years, had been found by UNMOVIC to be still of high purity. It is possible that viable filled artillery shells and aerial bombs still remain in Iraq.

The above form the United Nations inspectors and the darling of the Left Hans Blix totally destroy the stupid lies that the Left and their media has been spewing since the breakings new of yesterday. First the UN clearly state in March 2003 that the Mustard gas shells they found are of HIGH QUALITY even it had been STORED FOR OVER 12 YEARS. Second the UN admit that there may still VIABLE i.e. EFFECTIVE Mustrad filled artillery shell hidden in Iraq, and yesterday we learned for a fact that there were indeed 500 Mustard gas artillery shells that were found in Iraq since the removal of Saddam. Also it is safe to conclude that the Mustard Gas shells found after the war are still in high quality and highly effective Chemical weapons.

Another very important fact to add is that Saddam had LIED to the UN inspectors and the world when he said that he had destroyed ALL his Chemical Weapons and other WMD. It does not matter whether these weapons were produced before or after 1991, his job was to destroy it ALL and not hide anything not a one ounce of these WMD, he DID NOT.


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To: LYSandra
He was nauseating !
101 posted on 06/22/2006 12:58:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Tarantulas
Prudence would dictate that we assume all the Sarin we find is in binary form

If it is in binary form, it isn't sarin yet.

102 posted on 06/22/2006 12:58:42 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: tiredoflaundry

Come on, he never uses so few words. Give us the rest of the story.


103 posted on 06/22/2006 12:59:33 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Gucho
Getting ready for a dentist appt....missed it....any details for later reading would be appreciated.

Thanks.,
104 posted on 06/22/2006 1:00:12 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: lepton
I just read Iraq was though to not posess binary shells, and that the he did produce looked exactly like normal shells.

Here in the comments section. I've read these same things other places too.

105 posted on 06/22/2006 1:05:08 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: hawkaw

It's common knowledge that when the MSM uses anonymous sources it's making up the information.

DoD unnammed official = BULL$#!T


106 posted on 06/22/2006 1:06:12 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: jveritas

“I do not think the unnamed DOD official voted for President Bush”

Why would a "DOD official" be afraid to have his/her name out there if they where TRUELY trying to educate the American people?

This "official" is more then likely the newspapers editor.


107 posted on 06/22/2006 1:10:40 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: ravenspears
Naaaahhh... this cannot be, in particular a DOD official whose sole goal is to sabotage the war effort. (sarcasm)
108 posted on 06/22/2006 1:11:04 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: lepton
Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq

"The round was an old "binary-type" shell in which two chemicals held in separate sections are mixed after firing to produce sarin, Kimmitt said. He said he believed that insurgents who rigged the artillery shell as a bomb didn't know it contained the nerve agent, and that the dispersal of the nerve agent from such a rigged device was very limited. The shell had no markings. It appears the binary sarin agents didn't mix, which is why there weren't serious injuries from the initial explosion, a U.S. official told Fox News."

109 posted on 06/22/2006 1:11:33 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Gucho

Cheney interview on CNN coming up...on the Situation Room.


110 posted on 06/22/2006 1:12:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: bnelson44

Basically, that is all he said.


111 posted on 06/22/2006 1:12:28 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: dynoman
Agreed, and Sarin binary-type Chemical weapons last for a very long period of time.
112 posted on 06/22/2006 1:15:23 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: CedarDave

Exactly right.


113 posted on 06/22/2006 1:16:19 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: GraniteStateConservative; CedarDave
Please see post 66 by CedarDave, he nailed it.

Also I am not sure that the Sunni malcontents i.e. terrorist insurgents know where these Chemical Weapon shells are located.

114 posted on 06/22/2006 1:18:51 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: ravenspears

He and his henchmen hid them so well, they were hard to find.


115 posted on 06/22/2006 1:20:19 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: dynoman

Iraq did have binary shells. See:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5_annxF.html


116 posted on 06/22/2006 1:22:03 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: jveritas
BTW, you ROCK! Thanks for this and the other threads. You are making history!
117 posted on 06/22/2006 1:22:53 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: jveritas
The leftists are completely freaking out. This can't be! This destroys all their anti-Bush arguments!

I'm loving' this.

118 posted on 06/22/2006 1:23:51 PM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The Left biggest lie that “Bush Lied” has been badly exposed yesterday, of course we expect such a behavior from Alan Colmes.


119 posted on 06/22/2006 1:24:45 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Because the DOD official was lying.


120 posted on 06/22/2006 1:26:07 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas; dinasour; Tony Snow

Perhaps dinasour can get this to Tony Snow. He has got to talk to th president about getting this out. The lame stream media is already downplaying the importance of this.


121 posted on 06/22/2006 1:26:29 PM PDT by mware (Americans in armchairs doing the job of the media.)
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To: jveritas; ravenspears; JeffersonRepublic.com
Naaaahhh... this cannot be, in particular a DOD official whose sole goal is to sabotage the war effort. (sarcasm)

JV likely has it right. The source was contacted and the report filed by FOX:

Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.

Likely a left-over Clintonoid who should have been fired five years ago.

122 posted on 06/22/2006 1:31:24 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: jveritas

Thank you! You are a treasure.


123 posted on 06/22/2006 1:37:05 PM PDT by nuclady
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Cheney interview


Thanks for the heads up.
124 posted on 06/22/2006 1:38:01 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: jveritas

I heard that some "unnamed" intelligence official wants to eat some to prove these weapons were too degraded to be effective.


125 posted on 06/22/2006 1:41:49 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: Peach; FARS; nutmeg; AnnaZ; tet68; Coop

I am in Lima now, and NOT ONE news channel, in English...BBC,CNN...has reported this. Me and my friends are searching the channels to see the story...y nada.


126 posted on 06/22/2006 1:42:00 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Stuck in Lima Peru for the time being)
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To: nuclady

Thank you very much.


127 posted on 06/22/2006 1:48:11 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: spinestein

riiiiiiiiiggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttt!!!!


128 posted on 06/22/2006 1:55:17 PM PDT by bubman
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To: jveritas
Meanwhile, at Democratic Underground....

Damn you Hans Brix!!!!
129 posted on 06/22/2006 1:55:22 PM PDT by Republican Extremist
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To: LYSandra
Should send this to Alan Colmes. He just kept repeating last night on their show but it's old and is not viable - it's pre '91 WMD blah blah blah.........

Done...with great Pleasure. Hope that you do the same

Colmes@foxnews

130 posted on 06/22/2006 1:55:35 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: All

Off topic, but, ....

Anything sent to Brit Hume today should include a "Happy Birthday".

Today is his birthday.


131 posted on 06/22/2006 1:56:46 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: jveritas

Another great find JV. You sure are kicking some lefty tail.


132 posted on 06/22/2006 2:01:18 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Zeppelin
...time for them to get less potent.

And more unstable.

133 posted on 06/22/2006 2:01:19 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

Thanks LTGM. The Left needs to be kicked and kicked hard.


134 posted on 06/22/2006 2:03:29 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: 1stFreedom; Redleg Duke; SAMWolf; archy; I got the rope; 300winmag; cavtrooper21; ...

ping


135 posted on 06/22/2006 2:06:32 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Potius Mori Quam Foedar)
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To: jveritas

You would think that the Media/Libs would have learned about thier "unnamed Sources by now, wouldn't you??

I am UTTERLY AMAZED that the Media is literally REFUSING to cover this!!
Am I the ONLY person alive that sees this for what it is?


136 posted on 06/22/2006 2:27:41 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Liberalism-What a Pagan Religion...)
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To: TopoGigio; jveritas

I'll third that!


137 posted on 06/22/2006 2:34:21 PM PDT by GEC
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To: RaceBannon

RaceBannon - I haven't seen you post in a while now. Not surprised this isn't being reported overseas. It's hardly being reported here, even on FNC today.

To my knowledge, none of the networks have mentioned it and neither has CNN.


138 posted on 06/22/2006 2:35:29 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: jveritas

I think this is an example of why we should never assume someone is an expert simply because they are brave or foolish enough to open their mouth and make a conclusive statement about something. The continued emphasis in the media on the assumed fact that these chemical weapons were too old to be useful bothered me because of the hair splitting nature of the statement but now that the UN (of all places) has helped cast doubt on how useless or degraded these weapons could be it becomes clear that some deprogramming is in order because I like so many had sat silently an accepted the distasteful meal served up by the media. I think that the whole WMD coverup in the media will come unraveled eventually. We know that large numbers of drums of "pesticides" were found as well as the raw materials one step away from being combined into deadly chemical weapons.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/13/iraq.chemicals/

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/14/sprj.irq.labs/

Interesting preware look at WMDs in Iraq:
http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/csis-WMDIraq.pdf


139 posted on 06/22/2006 2:38:03 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Liberals only win when you accept their false premises at face value.)
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To: Snickersnee

I found this little story:

WWI shells force evacuation of Vimy
Last Updated Sat Apr 14 12:23:06 2001

VIMY, FRANCE - Thousands of people have fled the area surrounding an unexploded weapons stockpile near Vimy, France.

Neighbouring Vimy Ridge was the site of a historic Canadian victory during the First World War. French newspapers at the time hailed the breakthrough as 'The Easter Surprise.' Now the shells used in the battle have brought another Easter surprise - 84 years later.

Evacuating a nearby hospital

An endless flow of fluorescent red rescue vehicles broke the calm in Vimy. Police knocked on all doors in a three kilometre radius around a stockpile of 170 tons of unexploded ordnance.

Most of it contains lethal mustard gas, now an illegal weapon in war.

http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/04/14/vimy010414


140 posted on 06/22/2006 2:42:38 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Liberals only win when you accept their false premises at face value.)
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To: Raycpa

Excellent, hasnt our troops found barrels and barrels of chemical precursors? If I remember correctly, these findings were deemed insignificant by the MSM and others since they werent "WMDs". However they could have been vital ingredients to create WMDs. Oh yeah, a lot was found buried or in Iraq bunkers, so why wrre they hiding them in the first place??


141 posted on 06/22/2006 2:43:44 PM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: tcrlaf

This isn't the first time. The media is often a megaphone of their own ignorance.


142 posted on 06/22/2006 2:44:00 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Liberals only win when you accept their false premises at face value.)
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To: AmericanYankee

Exactly. Most of the chemical weapons were duel use.


143 posted on 06/22/2006 2:45:27 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Liberals only win when you accept their false premises at face value.)
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To: Maelstorm

Great point. How many things have went around in the media concerning this war that were already proven false, but never recognized in the media? This is how they maniplate the masses, then take polls.

The point is that can these still kill a lot of people? Reference: Kurds.

Are they banned under UN resolutions?

Didnt Iraq have the responsiilty to hand them over?

The left claim its 12 years ago, like we should shrug it off and its irrelevant. They worry more about depleted uranium in Iraq! What a joke! Yeah, like I will ever trust them with national security.


144 posted on 06/22/2006 2:49:03 PM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: jveritas
Here's something to add to the discussion which I read in that report you cited.

The New York Times reported ten days before the invasion that UN weapons inspectors in Iraq had discovered a new variety of rocket seemingly configured to strew bomblets filled with chemical or biological agents over large areas.1 The weapon was discovered after the UN inspectors returned to Iraq in November.

At first, Iraq told the inspectors that it was designed as a conventional cluster bomb, which would scatter explosive sub-munitions over its target, and not as a chemical weapon. A few days later, the Iraqis conceded that some of the weapons might have been configured as chemical weapons.

But it remains unclear, according to the UNMOVIC report, whether the Iraqi cluster warhead is a newly-developed one, devised during the absence of inspectors over the past four years, or whether its existence had been kept secret before 1998, when the inspectors left.2

In addition, the situation regarding anthrax stocks also remained unresolved.Despite receiving an updated report from Baghdad just before the war in Iraq began, UN inspectors continued to doubt that Iraq had destroyed all of its anthrax stores. In the report, Iraq tried to account for the destruction of 3,400 liters of anthrax agent at al-Hakam. A translation of the report from Arabic was completed recently and UNMOVIC experts have since reviewed the report.3

Citing data collected from soil samples, Iraq claimed it used a sufficient quantity of potassium manganate to neutralize all the anthrax at its al-Hakam facility. UNMOVIC spokesman Ewen Buchanan said commission experts were skeptical that the Iraqi report completely documented anthrax destruction activities.4

Even if the document were true, he said, Iraq had still not fully accounted for the remainder of the 8,445 liters of anthrax agent it had declared that it produced at two facilities and destroyed. Iraq previously had declared that some of the material had been loaded into aerial bombs and missile warheads.5

Three days before the war started, the Washington Post reported that despite US administration claims about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction, US intelligence agencies had been unable to give Congress or the Pentagon specific information about the amounts of banned weapons or where they were hidden.6

Whether or not US or UK forces find chemical or biological weapons in Iraq over the next weeks or months, the data previously collected by UNMOVIC will be useful in a longer-term clarification of the situation."

Box 2:

What US inspectors are looking for:

Chemical Weapons:

80 tones of mustard gas unaccounted for by Iraq weaponized VX nerve agent-- UN says Iraq may have retained this stocks of tabun, sarin, cyclosarin-- UN disputes Iraq’s declaration on this

Biological weapons:

10,000 litres of anthrax-- “strong presumption” that this still exists according to the UN

3-11,000 litres of botulinum toxin--UN says Iraq failed to disprove figures of previous inspectors

Up to 5,600 litres of clostridium perfringens-- UN says Iraq failed to disprove figures of previous inspectors

Missiles:

86 Samoud 2 missiles which fly more than the permitted range of 150 km-- Out of 120 listed by UN, 34 have been destroyed

Scud and al-Hussein missiles system, plus 50 Scud-B warheads,-- UN says this “suggests” they may have been retained for “proscribed missile force”

Munitions: R-400 bombs, which can deliver chemical and biological weapons--(no comment from the UN on what's become of these).

Signs and indications, but no ‘smoking gun’

Despite frequent media reports that coalition military forces are finding ‘signs’ and ‘indications’ of chemical and biological weapons, usually turning out to be unspecified documents and possible dual-use equipment, to date no chemical, biological or nuclear weapons have been found.

Substantive evidence of a ‘smoking gun’ remains as elusive as ever.

As the coalition forces advanced increasing effort was devoted to locating CB weapons, but to no effect.

For example, an entire artillery brigade, typically comprising 3,000-5,000 soldiers, was retrained to secure and examine sites suspected of holding banned weapons. And the Pentagon offered rewards of up to $200,000 for help in finding Iraqi leaders or chemical, biological or nuclear weapons.14

www.basicint.org/iraqconflict/ Pubs/Web%20Notes/WN200603.pdf

145 posted on 06/22/2006 2:50:10 PM PDT by WmShirerAdmirer
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To: jveritas
To those of you out there that do not understand. Mustard gas is manufactured fro Thioglycolates. Basically the same starting ingredients that are used to make hair dyes and diplatories.
the starting ingredients were denied Saddam from the eighties until Mr. Clinton became. Saddam's only options were to purchase the materials from Europe. Primarily France and Germany. That is why the quality of the WMD is high.
146 posted on 06/22/2006 2:51:36 PM PDT by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: AmericanYankee

Yes and as for the chemical weapons being harmless it was only back in 2001 that WWI chemical weapons caused a town to be evacuated in Vimy France. WWI ended Nov 11, 1918 and those munitions were still dangerous 83 years later.


147 posted on 06/22/2006 3:04:24 PM PDT by Maelstorm (Liberals only win when you accept their false premises at face value.)
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To: jveritas

I am more concerned about the Sarin rounds. I don't know exactly which type the Sarin rounds in Iraq are, but the American 155-mm Sarin (GB) projectiles each contain 6.5 pounds of Sarin. This is approximately 30,000 lethal percutaneous doses. If the GB Projos made it to the black market, those terrorists would never consider lauching the thing, they would drain the Agent out and use it at the Superbowl, or the NYC Subway system. The media is focused on the fact that the Iraqi artillery rounds are not in firing condition, but that is completely beside the point.


148 posted on 06/22/2006 3:08:29 PM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: Danette
"Scott Ritter. Paging Scott Ritter."

He's out to lunch at Burger King (if the money Saddam gave him for being one of his shills lasted that long, that is).

149 posted on 06/22/2006 3:09:18 PM PDT by steveegg (If the illegals would turn Mexico Red if they were forced there, why wouldn't they do that here?)
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To: jveritas

Let the lefties test these chemicals, under supervision.


150 posted on 06/22/2006 3:50:33 PM PDT by maxwellp
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