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2003 UN Report: Iraq Sulfur Mustard Gas Chemical Weapons Have High Quality After 12 years of Storage
March 2003 UN Iraq WMD Report ^ | June 22 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 06/22/2006 11:38:34 AM PDT by jveritas

Since the story broke yesterday about finding 500 Shells of Chemical Weapons in Iraq, shells that contain Sulfur Mustard Gas or Sarin Gas, the Left and their media were quick to dismiss this extremely important find by using the lame excuse that these Chemical weapons Shells were produced before 1991 and hence its not effective anymore because it has much lower quality”. However in March 2003 UN report about Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction there is the following on page 77 (Page 79 of the pdf file), paragraph 1 of the report http://www.un.org/Depts/unmovic/documents/6mar.pdf :

“ The Sulfur Mustard contained in artillery shells that had been stored for over 12 years, had been found by UNMOVIC to be still of high purity. It is possible that viable filled artillery shells and aerial bombs still remain in Iraq.

The above form the United Nations inspectors and the darling of the Left Hans Blix totally destroy the stupid lies that the Left and their media has been spewing since the breakings new of yesterday. First the UN clearly state in March 2003 that the Mustard gas shells they found are of HIGH QUALITY even it had been STORED FOR OVER 12 YEARS. Second the UN admit that there may still VIABLE i.e. EFFECTIVE Mustrad filled artillery shell hidden in Iraq, and yesterday we learned for a fact that there were indeed 500 Mustard gas artillery shells that were found in Iraq since the removal of Saddam. Also it is safe to conclude that the Mustard Gas shells found after the war are still in high quality and highly effective Chemical weapons.

Another very important fact to add is that Saddam had LIED to the UN inspectors and the world when he said that he had destroyed ALL his Chemical Weapons and other WMD. It does not matter whether these weapons were produced before or after 1991, his job was to destroy it ALL and not hide anything not a one ounce of these WMD, he DID NOT.


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To: jveritas

Great find!! Clearly such chem munitions CAN retain their potency for many years, contrary to what libs have rushed to say........So was the "anonymous Pentagon official" who was utilized so quickly to dismiss the significance of the 500+ chem munitions doing so on the basis of any real inside info, or was it just the typical Clintonista spin? I have to suspect it's the latter...... but surely someone must have been testing these munitions, so maybe the real info exists somewhere in the bureaucracy??


51 posted on 06/22/2006 12:14:40 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: jveritas

Great find!! Clearly such chem munitions CAN retain their potency for many years, contrary to what libs have rushed to say........So was the "anonymous Pentagon official" who was utilized so quickly to dismiss the significance of the 500+ chem munitions doing so on the basis of any real inside info, or was it just the typical Clintonista spin? I have to suspect it's the latter...... but surely someone must have been testing these munitions, so maybe the real info exists somewhere in the bureaucracy??


52 posted on 06/22/2006 12:14:48 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Peach
Are we just using the keyword WMD and it will automatically get added?

( Slaps head really hard to jar brain back into gear... )

I hadn't even thought of using the keyword index- "WMD" sounds good to me!

53 posted on 06/22/2006 12:15:39 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: elhombrelibre

For the record, I haven't said anything at all about the mustard gas weapons. My comments before were specifically about the sarin agent.

Otherwise, I don't want to discuss this topic any further, so please don't ping me to it again.


54 posted on 06/22/2006 12:16:15 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: DTogo

LOL... :)


55 posted on 06/22/2006 12:17:59 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: bubman
[Interesting how the left was crying over the dangers of WMD's to the environment on European soil when Reagan wanted to deploy the Minutement there during the eighties.]


No, no, no! The point is they were concerned about the ENVIRONMENT being harmed right here in the environmentalists own backyard by the presence of chemical weapons, and that's why they were condemned.

The stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq were only used to kill PEOPLE (dark skinned Iraqi people, at that) and only useless desert sand would be affected, not precious wetlands or rainforests.

It's all about priorities.
56 posted on 06/22/2006 12:18:13 PM PDT by spinestein (Goodbye, Dan Rather. (Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.))
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To: backhoe

LOL.

Until second before I typed that note to you, I hadn't thought of it either.

But I realize we're going to see lots of articles again about WMD and don't want to bother you for each one. I'll just make sure that WMD is under the keywords and we'll be all set.


57 posted on 06/22/2006 12:18:19 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: jveritas
Tigerhawk linked to this CIA rundown on what has been discovered (and disclosed) so far... what is your take on it? Looks like it reports the munitions as not that potent

http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5_annxF.html Tigerhawk's blog entry: http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/06/these-are-not-wmds-youre-looking-for.html
58 posted on 06/22/2006 12:19:32 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: jveritas

"Scott Ritter. Paging Scott Ritter."


59 posted on 06/22/2006 12:19:38 PM PDT by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: Peach

didnt reagan deploy pershing IIs not minutemen. the left howled, and where wrong.


60 posted on 06/22/2006 12:21:34 PM PDT by omega4179 (Dems lied, ppl died.)
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To: jveritas

Tigerhawk also, sarcastically, points this out in his blog entry.

Update III: Further underscoring my point about the curious lack of interest in "negative" WMD news, witness the virtual media feeding frenzy (along with voluminious follow-up reports and analysis from experts!) which greeted this find just last summer:


US troops raiding a warehouse in the northern city of Mosul uncovered a suspected chemical weapons factory containing 1,500 gallons of chemicals believed destined for attacks on US and Iraqi forces and civilians, military officials said yesterday.

The early morning raid last Monday found 11 precursor agents, ''some of them quite dangerous by themselves," a military spokesman, Lieutenant Colonel Steven Boylan, said in Baghdad.

Combined, the chemicals would yield an agent capable of ''lingering hazards" for those exposed to it, Boylan said. The likely targets would have been ''coalition and Iraqi security forces, and Iraqi civilians," partly because the chemicals would be difficult to keep from spreading over a wide area, he said.

Boylan said the suspected lab was new, dating from sometime after the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003.

http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/06/these-are-not-wmds-youre-looking-for.html


61 posted on 06/22/2006 12:23:53 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: from occupied ga

Here's what we need to know about the longevity and lethality of mustard gas. Gas rounds from WWI were found at Spring Valley in MD having been fired in WWI. And, nobody is treating them with a "So what?"

http://www.thebulletin.org/article.php?art_ofn=so01tucker


62 posted on 06/22/2006 12:23:59 PM PDT by Belasarius (Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward. Job 5:2-7)
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To: Raycpa; jveritas; All
It is very likely the 155mm sarin shells are binary since the one used in the IED a few years ago was.

See posts 450-452 here and read this story - Sarin, Mustard Gas Discovered Separately in Iraq

63 posted on 06/22/2006 12:24:34 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: jveritas; Cap Huff; Dog; Coop; AdmSmith; jmc1969; Straight Vermonter; Wiz; Marine_Uncle; ...

One more time,.....Thanks for your excellent efforts and posting some very useful information...( If we knew the name of the Defense Department expert quoted in the MSM news reports we could let him know also...but ) pinging others....


64 posted on 06/22/2006 12:27:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: ravenspears

There has been speculation that our advance toward Baghdad was so rapid, there was not time to get them completely ready to go. Another scenario was that the commanders, seeing that the coalition force was overwhelming decided to flee to preserve their own lives. Finally, the Iraqi commanders may have been aware of the consequences to them if they ordered their use (to be endlessly hunted down and if they survived, put on trial before the world).


66 posted on 06/22/2006 12:29:28 PM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: jveritas
Great find !

Anyone that knows anything about weapons storage will tell you that in a desert environment weapons of any sort can be expected to last for many decades.
67 posted on 06/22/2006 12:29:49 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: jveritas
If you can please e-mail this to our talk radio shows and our side of the media.

Done.. with much pleasure.

68 posted on 06/22/2006 12:31:12 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: jveritas

Can you explain how it was that Hussein wasn't able to use these when he was down to his very last days in power-- the time you'd think he would be the most desperate and the most likely to do so? Or the Sunni malcontents since the Hussein regime ended? It doesn't compute. What kind of threat were they if they wouldn't even use these weapons in the most obvious moments?


69 posted on 06/22/2006 12:31:58 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: kidd

The good thing it is coming from their beloved UN!


70 posted on 06/22/2006 12:32:13 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Peach

Peach, as always thank you for all your help.


71 posted on 06/22/2006 12:33:08 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: RandallFlagg; Snickersnee
Smithsonian magazine did an entire article on the French Army unit that disposes of the shells.

I checked their online archives, but they only go back to 1995, so it's earlier than that.

A library should have the complete index to the magazine.

72 posted on 06/22/2006 12:33:48 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: jveritas

It's the least I can do to help you out after all you've done, jveritas.


73 posted on 06/22/2006 12:34:29 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Raycpa; jveritas; All
Sarin in binary shells seems significant because apparently the sarin does not degrade since the binary components of it do not mix until it's used. Mixed sarin degrades.

As I understand it he shell used in the IED did not produce much sarin because the binary components did not mix properly.

74 posted on 06/22/2006 12:34:53 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Beagle8U

Exactly - people on archaeological digs in the desert have found buried firearms and ammo from the 19th century that still work just fine, none the worse for wear despite their being over a century old.


75 posted on 06/22/2006 12:35:17 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: jw777

Hypocrisy is a one main liberal decease.


76 posted on 06/22/2006 12:35:17 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: johnny7

Note to Mara: Your crowburger is ready.


77 posted on 06/22/2006 12:35:30 PM PDT by sarasota
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To: Enchante
Clearly such chem munitions CAN retain their potency for many years, contrary to what libs have rushed to say...

It's good information about the mustard gas, but maybe not so good about Sarin. I went to the wrong page of the report. At the bottom of page 72 (74 of the PDF document), here's what it says about the Sarin that was produced in the 1980s:

According to documents discovered by UNSCOM in Iraq, the purity of Sarin-type agents produced by Iraq were on average below 60%, and dropped below Iraq’s established quality control acceptance level of 40% by purity some 3 to 12 months after production.

According to the next page of the report, UNSCOM couldn't determine whether Iraq had produced large quantities of Sarin after they switched to binary production of Sarin in 1988. This would have preserved the product at high purity until it was ready to use. It will be interesting to hear the details of what kinds of WMD have been found and whether the Sarin components are in binary form. Prudence would dictate that we assume all the Sarin we find is in binary form and at full potency until determined otherwise.

78 posted on 06/22/2006 12:35:30 PM PDT by Tarantulas ( Illegal immigration - the trojan horse that's treated like a sacred cow)
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To: jveritas

Salute on your UN proof there !!! Gotta love Freepers...


79 posted on 06/22/2006 12:35:34 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: ravenspears

Yes, his military command structure crumbled in the first 48 hours of the war.


80 posted on 06/22/2006 12:36:42 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: pissant

Robinson :)


81 posted on 06/22/2006 12:37:39 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Mo1

Great job Mo1


82 posted on 06/22/2006 12:38:18 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Liberalism really is a mental disorder. it's fixable, but it requires the acknowledgment of the disorder as the first step. Kind of like the friends of Bill W., crowd.


83 posted on 06/22/2006 12:38:39 PM PDT by jw777
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To: jveritas

'Bush Lied" screamed the DUmmy.

But we found over 500 shells filled with WMD!

"Yeah, well....Bush stinks and we have the Dixie Chicks on our side...You red staters must be fuming. HAW! One of your great country band has left you to nuance with us on the (all rise) ***LEFT***!! Nobody I know listens to thier music, but we bought the CD just to pi** you all off.

So you found the WMD, we can come up with a new slogan!
"Bush Tried...." er no.. "Bush Cried" no. Shows him as being human.

Let us on the (all rise) ***LEFT** get back with you" the DUmmy speaks with the most connect words he has ever said at one time.


You keep coming up with stuff and we will keep knocking them out of the park Dummy!


84 posted on 06/22/2006 12:39:02 PM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; All

Casey/Rumsfeld pentagon news briefing. (ON NOW - FOX)


85 posted on 06/22/2006 12:39:18 PM PDT by Gucho
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To: ravenspears
any reason why saddam chose not to use these weapons against us during the 2003 incursion in iraq.

Because he expected us to stop short of actually invading Baghdad, and there's no way we would do so if he gassed us.

86 posted on 06/22/2006 12:45:38 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: jveritas

Just an awesome find. Thanks!!


87 posted on 06/22/2006 12:49:41 PM PDT by CheezyD
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To: johnny7

Rumsfeld talking on FNC in response to a question right now about this WMD find.


88 posted on 06/22/2006 12:49:59 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: dynoman
It is very likely the 155mm sarin shells are binary since the one used in the IED a few years ago was.

I thought the binary ones were post-1991 production. I know we found a bunch of empty binary warheads that were produced after 1991.

89 posted on 06/22/2006 12:50:08 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: jveritas

bump


90 posted on 06/22/2006 12:50:30 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: bnelson44

When it comes to mustard gas, I think they are wrong.


91 posted on 06/22/2006 12:50:32 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Irish Eyes

Thank you Irish


92 posted on 06/22/2006 12:51:08 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Peach
Rummy says what was reported was accurate!
93 posted on 06/22/2006 12:51:21 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
What kind of threat were they if they wouldn't even use these weapons in the most obvious moments?

Archived. ...And the last few days, we owned the roads, not them.

94 posted on 06/22/2006 12:52:01 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: tiredoflaundry

I hope that Rummy addresses this:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653882/posts


95 posted on 06/22/2006 12:52:16 PM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: ravenspears
"any reason why saddam chose not to use these weapons against us during the 2003 incursion in iraq."

Saddam was saving them for use on DUck Trolls, even terrorist dictators don't want them around.
96 posted on 06/22/2006 12:52:59 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Liberals get up every morning and eat a big box of STUPID for breakfast)
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To: Enchante
I like to get a hold of all these "unnamed officials"!
97 posted on 06/22/2006 12:54:19 PM PDT by tiredoflaundry (The right wants victory, the left wants surrender. It's that simple.)
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To: jveritas
Did she really say this?!

Absolutely. Brit questioned the 'panel' as to why the administration didn't release this information earlier. Everyone started piping in(mostly Mort) and the conversation drifted to what TYPE of WMD's Bush was referring to back in 2003... and how the Dem's would frame it. That's when Mara chimed in with “Bush probably came to the conclusion... so what?!”

Mort was of the opinion that it would also be the Dem's reaction to this new revelation... he was dead-on-balls.

98 posted on 06/22/2006 12:55:06 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Irish Eyes

Should send this to Alan Colmes. He just kept repeating last night on their show but it's old and is not viable - it's pre '91 WMD blah blah blah.........


99 posted on 06/22/2006 12:55:09 PM PDT by LYSandra
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To: dynoman
As I understand it he shell used in the IED did not produce much sarin because the binary components did not mix properly.

Normally, the binary components mix prior to the dispersal detonation of the shell. There is normally an inner cavity where the components get sloshed together and mixed, with the resultant agent ready to be dispersed - also, the dispersion charge is small in order to not denature the agent. This design requirement is one of the reasons that binary rounds are so obviously different from conventional ones, even when empty.

100 posted on 06/22/2006 12:56:13 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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