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Rove's Risky Embrace (Libs Relying on Fake Polls, Question Rove's 2006 Strategy)
The Washington Post ^ | June 22, 2006 | Dan Froomkin

Posted on 06/22/2006 1:31:51 PM PDT by new yorker 77

Karl Rove is a master of high-stakes brinksmanship, as he has proven time and time again.

But his latest venture may be his riskiest yet.

Rove is betting that he can reframe the war in Iraq as a battle between courageous Republicans and pusillanimous Democrats.

The stakes: Congress. (And subpoena power.)

Rove believes that this strength vs. weakness rhetorical construct, combined with continued attacks on the media, will be enough to counterbalance whatever negative news about the actual war continues to emerge between now and the mid-term elections.

The actual war remains one in which people die every day, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, for reasons that aren't entirely clear. It's a war that according to the polls the public now thinks was a mistake, feels it was misled into supporting, and would like to see ending on some sort of timetable. It's a war that has raised questions about American devotion to human rights. It's a war we may not be able to win.

But Rove thinks he can win the war over the war.

And although his plan appears highly susceptible to events on the ground in Iraq and/or assertive media coverage, betting against Rove -- thus far, at least -- has been a sucker's move.

The latest evidence of Rove's plan comes in a New York Times story this morning by Jim Rutenberg and Adam Nagourney , in which they write about what's behind the congressional Republicans' vigorous embrace of Bush's war strategy.

"That emerging Republican approach reflects, at least for now, the success of a White House effort to bring a skittish party behind Mr. Bush on the war after months of political ambivalence in some vocal quarters," Rutenberg and Nagourney write.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electioncongress; electionushouse; electionussenate; iraq; karlrove

1 posted on 06/22/2006 1:31:55 PM PDT by new yorker 77
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To: new yorker 77
Rove is betting that he can reframe the war in Iraq as a battle between courageous Republicans and pusillanimous Democrats.

When was it ever NOT thus.

2 posted on 06/22/2006 1:36:31 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: new yorker 77
The actual war remains one in which people die every day, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, for reasons that aren't entirely clear

As opposed to the wars where weeks and weeks go by with no deaths......

3 posted on 06/22/2006 1:36:49 PM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: new yorker 77
Rove is betting that he can reframe the war in Iraq as a battle between courageous Republicans and pusillanimous Democrats.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 1:37:15 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: new yorker 77
Rove doesn't have to do a thing. Just stand back and watch the dems prove they aren't ready to embrace national security as an important issue.

They're back to teeny tiny issues like school uniforms and V chips. That may have worked for slick willie, but America knows better now.

5 posted on 06/22/2006 1:37:51 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: new yorker 77

King of Comedy... Rupert Froomkin.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 1:39:37 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: new yorker 77

Who to put my money on? Froomkin and Shrumm or Rove? Oh, this is sooo hard.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 1:40:32 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: OldFriend

""Rove doesn't have to do a thing.""

Rove is the scapegoat for Democratic bad ideas, missteps, and inability to explain themselves and inability to censor opponents.


8 posted on 06/22/2006 1:41:26 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Paleo Conservative
The Left seem to forget that Vietnam was the Democrats war. Just look at the troop strength levels.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 1:42:48 PM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: new yorker 77
When the Dubai Port debacle broke in the news, I recall soon after polls showing that for the 1st time in a long time if not in history, Democrats were leading as the Party best able to protect the country. Did I see that incorrectly and what are they now saying (the polls)?
10 posted on 06/22/2006 1:46:49 PM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: new yorker 77
The actual war remains one in which people die every day, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, for reasons that aren't entirely clear.

Someone should buy the author of this article a clue. People die every day around the world, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, for reasons that aren't entirely clear. Iraq does not have a corner on the market of human violence and depravity.

11 posted on 06/22/2006 1:50:05 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

All Rove did was to tell the Rats where rope was on sale, they tied the knots.


12 posted on 06/22/2006 1:50:48 PM PDT by bybybill (`IF THE RATS WIN, WE LOSE)
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To: new yorker 77
The actual war remains one in which people die every day, sometimes in the most gruesome ways, for reasons that aren't entirely clear. -Dan Froomkin

This is one aspect of why our media opinion-makers are doing a disservice. They never believed President Bush when he gave concrete reasons that involve an understanding of how history can be changed by moral action. They pretend not even to understand it. They are rewarded handsomely by praise when their failure to understand makes the President look bad.

13 posted on 06/22/2006 1:51:49 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: new yorker 77
Rove's RISKY Embrace?

Oh, I don't know, he seems to have somewhat (/sarc) successful in the past when it comes to elections...

14 posted on 06/22/2006 1:53:06 PM PDT by The Blitherer ("These are not dark days, these are great days." – W. S. Churchill)
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To: new yorker 77

I love it when the RATS fear the ROVIAN!! LOL!


15 posted on 06/22/2006 1:53:06 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: new yorker 77

(betting against Rove -- thus far, at least -- has been a sucker's move. )

The author doesn't seem to take his own advice!


16 posted on 06/22/2006 1:57:08 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: OldFriend
Man did you nail that one.
17 posted on 06/22/2006 2:00:07 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: martin_fierro
The actual war remains one in which people die every day,(yeah, and people die in wars) sometimes in the most gruesome ways(at the hands of Muslim nutjobs), for reasons that aren't entirely clear(9/11 wasn't clear enough for you?). It's a war that according to the polls the public now thinks was a mistake(polls that you push with leading questions), feels it was misled into supporting(you may have been misled, I certainly wasn't), and would like to see ending on some sort of timetable(When we have a stable functioning goverment there). It's a war that has raised questions about American devotion to human rights(We have been overly cautious about protecting these savages so-called human rights). It's a war we may not be able to win(we are winning it...MORON!!!).
18 posted on 06/22/2006 2:07:14 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Funny how death and destruction seems to happen wherever Muslims gather...)
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To: Wolfstar

Are you comparing a casualty in a war with a fatality in a car accident? Talk about apples and oranges.


19 posted on 06/22/2006 2:11:44 PM PDT by centristo (Amat victoria curam - Victory favors those who take pains)
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To: centristo
Are you comparing a casualty in a war with a fatality in a car accident? Talk about apples and oranges.

Is your mind only able to imagine deaths due to accidents or natural causes?

Around the globe, people are murdered every day, often by warring parties similar to the factions in Iraq. Just this week, a thread appeared here on FR with an article about three men who were beheaded in Mexico, probably in some drug-related turf war. I'd find the link for you if I could remember the title of the thread.

20 posted on 06/22/2006 2:16:13 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: Wolfstar

Bob Bekel was just on FOX maintaining that the idea that if we don't fight the terrorists in Iraq we will have to fight them here, is a nutty idea. I wish I had a recording of that statement so I could play it back to him the next time the terrorists hit us (and they will).


21 posted on 06/22/2006 2:24:46 PM PDT by WVNan (Taking up our cross is saying yes to the conditions we meet on our journey with Him.)
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To: Dilbert56

More journalists have died in Iraq than did in Vietnam.

When will the media be pulling out of Iraq?


22 posted on 06/22/2006 2:28:51 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: WVNan
I wish I had a recording of that statement so I could play it back to him the next time the terrorists hit us (and they will).

Beckel is a typical Leftist dolt. Throughout the 1990's, when Beckel's boy Clinton was in office, the jihadists hit us often. The first WTC bombing, the Khobar Towers, the embassy bombings, the USS Cole, the Egyptian airliner crash, and multiple other smaller hits. Isn't it interesting how, since GWB took us to war in Afghanistan and Iraq, we have not been hit anywhere else other than in the war zones?

You're right. The odds are we'll be hit again at some point, but that "dumb Cowboy" from Texas must be doing something right.

23 posted on 06/22/2006 2:32:43 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

that is ancient history now, thanks to buffoons like kerry,feingold, abdul murtha need i go on


24 posted on 06/22/2006 2:37:28 PM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: Wolfstar

Not to mention all the crazed jihadis in the thousands we're offing that would otherwise be free to wreak havoc HERE. I think of all the available talent we've put in the ground in Iraq alone, and if for no other reason than decreasing the jihad pool this has been a resounding success, IMO.


25 posted on 06/22/2006 2:39:41 PM PDT by cj2a (When you're pathetic, but you don't know you're pathetic, that's really pathetic.)
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To: new yorker 77

" pusillanimous Democrats. "

When it comes to Democrats- I believe that it's spelled pussyillanimous.


26 posted on 06/22/2006 2:43:07 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: new yorker 77
More fictional scriptwriting from the juvenile media.

If the Dems were smart they would have been supporting this war wholeheartedly, slamming the Islamic cults and Saddam's goons at every turn, supporting US efforts at interrogations and intell efforts, using very supportive language for our soldiers who have been accused of wrongdoing, and taking any complaints to the Pres in private.

They could actually win elections that way.

But they cannot help themselves, their anti-American ideology shines thru very clearly.
27 posted on 06/22/2006 2:49:19 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: cj2a
I think of all the available talent we've put in the ground in Iraq alone, and if for no other reason than decreasing the jihad pool this has been a resounding success, IMO.

I totally agree with you about this. The Islamofreaks may have lots of young followers, but no "army" can take the kinds of casualties the jihad pool (great phrase, BTW) has been taking and still remain effective over the long haul.

In Iraq it's mostly Sunni vs. Shia hatred driving the violence. Far as I'm concerned, as long as they're killing each other, I'm not gonna complain.

28 posted on 06/22/2006 2:54:19 PM PDT by Wolfstar (Where you go with me, heaven will always be.)
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To: the Real fifi
Given the recent votes in the Senate the polls must be unreliable. There is no way that many dems voted with republicans if the people opposed the war.
29 posted on 06/22/2006 2:58:31 PM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy

I'm sure that's true..that is their private polls not the "hamburger helper" polls the media engages so they can pawn off opinion as "news".


30 posted on 06/22/2006 3:32:47 PM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: new yorker 77

Translation: Oh me, oh my, Bush isn't governing by polls.


31 posted on 06/22/2006 3:38:42 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: new yorker 77

The Dims have lost two straight elections on national security issues. And they can't wait to do it again.


32 posted on 06/22/2006 3:59:53 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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33 posted on 06/22/2006 4:02:15 PM PDT by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77
LOL! I liked the Dems as cut-and-runners cartoon that was posted yesterday, too.
34 posted on 06/22/2006 4:08:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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