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Norah 'Loves' Larry's Lingo on North Korea, Larry Launches at Cheney
Hardball/NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 06/22/2006 3:16:22 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

by Mark Finkelstein

June 22, 2006

Norah loves Larry. At least, she loves the way Larry Eagleburger phrased things about North Korea. At the same time, Larry made it fairly clear that there's no love lost between himself and Dick Cheney.

The former Bush, Sr. Secretary of State appeared on this evening's Hardball. Guest host Norah O'Donnell interviewed him along with former Clinton defense official Ashton Carter. Carter had in turn written an op-ed in today's Washington Post, which as indicated by its title, If Necessary, Strike and Destroy, advocates blowing the North Korean ICBM off its launch pad if N. Korea persists in its launch preparations.

Eagleburger also supported the pre-emptive strike strategy. This is contrast with the position of some conservatives, such as those at the National Review, who have editorialized in favor awaiting launch and then attempting to blow the missile out of the sky with our anti-missile defense system.

In any case, at one point Eagleburger observed that: "where this leads is missiles with nuclear warheads that can reach the United States from a pipsqueak country like North Korea."

Norah: "Secretary, I love the way you phrase that, that this is a pipsqueak country, North Korea, and quite frankly ruled by what we think is a crazy man."

I don't know what kind of history there might be between Eagleburger and Dick Cheney, but there's clearly little love lost between them. When O'Donnell invited Eagleburger to respond to VP Cheney's statement of today rejecting a pre-emptive strike, Eagleburger responded with asperity rare from a former senior Republican administration official to express vis a vis a sitting Republican VP:

"The answer to that is that it's not the first time the Vice-President has been wrong. . . If We don't stop this process now, we will have to deal with in in a far more difficult way, five or ten years from now, and I don't know why the Vice-President and a lot of other people can't seem to understand that."

Ouch!

Norah closed on a kumbayah note: "It's fascinating that there is agreement between men like yourselves who have served both President Bush and President Clinton, that we should blow this thing off the launch pad right away."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ashtoncarter; cheney; eagleburger; hardball; korea; missilelaunch; missiles; nkorea; norahodonnell; norks; northkorea; sdi; wapo; wmd

1 posted on 06/22/2006 3:16:26 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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2 posted on 06/22/2006 3:17:15 PM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show Since 2002 So You Don't Have To.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Eagleburger keeps losing points in my book.

Striking the North Korean missile on its tower would be the dumbest possible thing we could do. We don't even know if the thing can get off the pad. Nor do we know where it is pointed.

It seems to me that a bunch of libs, with help from senile Republicans, are hoping to make things worse for Bush.

As usual, Rummy will ignore all these cackling hens, and force the Koreans to make a move, upon which, we will ignore them, or kick their ass, whichever makes sense.
3 posted on 06/22/2006 3:19:56 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

""The answer to that is that it's not the first time the Vice-President has been wrong. . . If We don't stop this process now, we will have to deal with in in a far more difficult way, five or ten years from now, and I don't know why the Vice-President and a lot of other people can't seem to understand that.""

As is nearly always true, Cheney is right, Carter is wrong, and everyone the media dredges up from the past is wrong too---that's why the media dredged them up.

For one thing, we are going to use this as a test of our new anti-missile system.

In addition, it seems to me that we are increasingly letting China know that we are going to hold them responsible for North Korea's actions. If not, that is what we should be doing---instead of letting North Korea jerk us around---ignoring the fact that they are a Chinese puppet.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 3:22:49 PM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
"Secretary, I love the way you phrase that, that this is a pipsqueak country”

Sounds like Nora was fueled... and ready-to-launch.

5 posted on 06/22/2006 3:24:53 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: Pukin Dog

I too am in favor of allowing the launch. Think of the intel we can gather from it. In addition, as the National Review has advocated, we can have a great chance to test our missle defense system.

The icing on the cake would be a successful demolition of the missle in flight. This would greatly strengthen our position towards that "pipsqueak" nation and it's "insane" dictator.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 3:26:53 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: strategofr

Considering it was Carter's boss who got us into this mess in the first place when he listened to waste-of-skin Jimmah Cahtah and gave that brain damaged dictator Nukes in the first place.

As usual - Republicans having to clean up the mess Democrats leave in their wake.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 3:30:20 PM PDT by Right Cal Gal (Conservatives know the names of Tookie's VICTIMS!!)
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To: Pukin Dog
Striking the North Korean missile on its tower would be the dumbest possible thing we could do.

William Perry was advocating the same thing earlier, which leads me to think this is an orchestrated move by the left, probably so they flex their spindly little girly muscles and brag about how "tough" they are on national security. Getting Eagleburger makes it look "bipartisan." Playing election year games with NK's nuclear program - yet another reason why these people must never again be allowed to gain power.

8 posted on 06/22/2006 3:31:11 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Pukin Dog
As usual, Rummy will ignore all these cackling hens, and force the Koreans to make a move,
upon which, we will ignore them, or kick their ass, whichever makes sense.

I suggest we kick ass now, take names later.
9 posted on 06/22/2006 3:32:56 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: phoenix0468
Hmmm, do you suppose the reason the libs want to blow it up on the launch pad is because they know that we have a good chance of shooting it down in flight, and if we do, all their lies about how "missile defense just doesn't work!" will be exposed?
10 posted on 06/22/2006 3:33:04 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: oh8eleven
You never kick the enemies' ass until they show it to you.
11 posted on 06/22/2006 3:44:47 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: Pukin Dog

Bingo!


12 posted on 06/22/2006 3:48:14 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Did you hear Carter say there had been problems for the last six years?

At that point, Eagleberger or the lovely Nora should have reminded viewers how North Korea made monkeys out of Ashton Carter and Madeleine Albright under Clinton. Carter, if honest at all, would have gone back much further than six years in assigning blame.


13 posted on 06/22/2006 3:50:13 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

The clinton idiots had their chance and blew it. Thanks to them, NK is now nuclear. It's a little hard to deal with them since they may just blow South Korea to smitherines.
Stupid idea. Sorry Eagleburger, I used to like you.


14 posted on 06/22/2006 3:50:41 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: Pukin Dog
No, no, no. You kick it before they show it to you.
15 posted on 06/22/2006 3:53:32 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: CFC__VRWC

No, I think they are idiots and they don't know the actual value of showing force in the correct way sometimes. If they are worried about exposing anything, it would be that the missle tech. that Clinton sold the Chinese made it's way to Korea. Just another crushing blow to the traitors.


16 posted on 06/22/2006 3:53:40 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I say let them fire it off, if it comes our way we can consider it an act of war thereby justifiying our going in there with a massive cruise missile strike against targets of opportunity.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 3:57:37 PM PDT by Always Independent
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To: Always Independent

I agree. Let them just do it, call their bluff. They'll get what they deserve then, and that'll give us time to call our people out of South Korea.


18 posted on 06/22/2006 4:00:55 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
[Former Clinton defense official Ashton]Carter had in turn written an op-ed in today's Washington Post, which as indicated by its title, If Necessary, Strike and Destroy....

Thanks to their ineptitude in the 90's...the horse is long gone. Go ahead and close the barn door. Odd how we have lefties in favor of pre-emptive strikes, now.

19 posted on 06/22/2006 4:12:23 PM PDT by edpc
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

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20 posted on 06/22/2006 4:19:44 PM PDT by isom35
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To: CFC__VRWC

"Hmmm, do you suppose the reason the libs want to blow it up on the launch pad is because they know that we have a good chance of shooting it down in flight, and if we do, all their lies about how "missile defense just doesn't work!" will be exposed?"


B I N G O ! ! ! ! ! ! !

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21 posted on 06/22/2006 4:25:47 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Let's just immediately transfer an Aegis-class cruiser or two to the Japanese Naval Self-Defense Force and let them shoot it down after launch. :) The other east Asian countries going ape about it would be fun to watch...
22 posted on 06/22/2006 4:32:49 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
How in the hell can the USA blow a missle off the pad in North Korea, when:
1) We're embroiled in Iraq.
2) Iran is mooning us with soon-to-be nuclear weapons.
3) China is heckling from the audience.
4) Russia is illusions of grandeur.
5) most of the rest of the world...the MSM and our own Democratic Party...representing virtually 50% of our citizens hate our guts.

HOW???

23 posted on 06/22/2006 4:48:15 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

 

 

Maybe it's me, but I'm beginning to believe these people aren't hired for their brains..

24 posted on 06/22/2006 4:51:26 PM PDT by Fintan (One day we'll look back on this and plow into a parked car.)
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To: phoenix0468
Think of the intel we can gather from it. In addition, as the National Review has advocated, we can have a great chance to test our missle defense system.

BS.

We can test it against our own clay pigeon missles.

NK is egging us on with the cooperation of Iran and perhaps, China and Russia.

We cannot fight a triple front war...sorry....SHOULD NOT fight a triple-front war with an all voluteer military.

I'd rather be in a position to nuke them and be done with them permanently....letting them serve as a demonstration to the rest of the world that we mean business.

25 posted on 06/22/2006 4:58:23 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: DCPatriot
NK is egging us on with the cooperation of Iran and perhaps, China and Russia.

My guess is in bold letters. But the other two are high on the list as well.

I'd rather be in a position to nuke them and be done with them permanently....letting them serve as a demonstration to the rest of the world that we mean business.

Although I do not disagree with this statement. I do think that going nuclear on NK is not yet necessary. If we continue escalation, it should be done conventionally and through diplomacy. I am all for defending our country from those who openly threaten us with a nuclear attack, but they have not displayed such capability yet. I often wonder if this might be a good chance to test out some of our tactical nukes.
26 posted on 06/22/2006 5:28:52 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: jackv

Call people out of South Korea?!? Why would we do that if we are facing a nuclear threat to our nation? Wouldn't it be wise to build up in SK and prepare for a strike on the north?


27 posted on 06/22/2006 5:30:22 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Pukin Dog
Striking the North Korean missile on its tower would be the dumbest possible thing we could do. We don't even know if the thing can get off the pad. Nor do we know where it is pointed.

It seems to me that a bunch of libs, with help from senile Republicans, are hoping to make things worse for Bush.

Typical liberal jabber jawing about military sensitivities, things they know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT!

I loved Cheney's retort when asked his opinion of going on the offensive and blasting N. Korea's rocket off its launching pad.

He said something like, "We better be ready to fire the second shot." PSSSSST, DEMS: SOBER THE FARK UP, YOU IDIOTS!

28 posted on 06/22/2006 5:35:58 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: phoenix0468
You do realize we read like a couple of nuts don't you?

It's just that my feeling is why should we continue to place our young and best in harms's way when we can save all their lives with only 15 minutes of shock and awe?

Look. Hiroshima and Nagasaki gave the world 50 years of relative peace, Korea and Viet Nam withstanding. It kept Russia docile...and China too. It has also kept Pakistan and India from wiping each other out.

North Korea and Iran can burn in hell for all I care.

29 posted on 06/22/2006 5:44:10 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I have NO problem with PREMPTIVE strikes, however it makes far MORE sense to blow it to smithereens ONCE it has launched.

Chances are it will not work and fail BUT if it does work well..........

A POST launch take-down will not only will it serve to show the WORLD we will NOT tolerate ICBM's being launched but it will say to other nations IF YOU BUILD it......it will not come to the UNITED STATES.

30 posted on 06/22/2006 5:53:36 PM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: DCPatriot

The nuts are the ones allowing NK and it's regime to actually get this far. The idiot Jung Il should have been nutrilized 52 years ago. The fact that his son is now the leader is only more torment for the spineless politicos who wouldn't listen to the likes of Patton and McAurther.

Had that have happened, there would be 1) no communism in China, 2) No communism is the Soviet Union from around 1950 on, and 3) no such entity as North Korea and Kim Jung Il.

There are times when democracy is a wonderful thing, at others (mostly when we are using all of our military resources to protect ourselves) it is a grind.

The Roman Republic was the closest thing, IMO, to an efficient and effective Military/Civilian government that has ever existed. If we could have their style of governance, I think we wouldn't be worrying about the likes of Kim Jung Il, jr.


31 posted on 06/22/2006 6:07:24 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468
IF...you can learn from Rome's mistakes and missteps, I agree with you.

Our present day situation in the US mirrors the last days of the Roman Empire.

32 posted on 06/22/2006 6:15:25 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: phoenix0468

They will attack SK as an easy strike, using nukes.


33 posted on 06/22/2006 7:11:59 PM PDT by jackv (just shakin' my head)
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