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Question about supporting Laffey over Chafee
June 22, 2006 | Michael Katz

Posted on 06/22/2006 4:24:20 PM PDT by Mike10542

Question for freepers: I understand that RINOS are a big problem in our party and we need to vote them out of office. I also agree that the place to do that is in the primaries for the party's nomination. I supported getting rid of Specter in 2004 and will support attempts to get rid of other RINOS like Lindsay Graham, John McCain and others when their elections come up. However, I predicate my support for such actions on the fact that I feel that if we were able to beat these RINO incumbents, we would have a great shot of maintaining the senate seat. However, this is not the case in Rhode Island. If Laffey wins the primary, we will almost defintely lose the senate seat and thus will be starting off already -1 before the 2006 elections have even began. To me it does not make sense to kick out a RINO if we have no chance of winning the seat with someone else. However, I am open to being convinced why it would make sense to get rid of Chafee, even if that means Democrats will pick up the seat. So freepers have at it; let me know why it makes sense to vote again Chafee if Laffey has very little chance to win the seat. And I really want to be convinced because I do hate Chafee!!!!


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: electioncongress; electionussenate; senateraces

1 posted on 06/22/2006 4:24:22 PM PDT by Mike10542
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To: Mike10542

If you are willing to mercilessly punish (at the ballot box) those who have been enjoying your past undeserved support, you might lose a seat, but the fear it instills (knowing that conservatives won't roll over just to add another meaningless "R" to the balance) will stiffen the backbones of others, giving us a more conservative senate in the long run.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 4:28:42 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Mike10542

Did you see the thread earlier today...that speculated that Chafee is thinking of going Independent?


3 posted on 06/22/2006 4:29:06 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: Mike10542

Usually I say support GOP members to the hilt. But, there are times when they are so egregious that you jsut have to vote against them.

I voted for the Democrat that faced George Ryan in the 1999 Illinois' Gov. race, for instance. And if I was in Rogues Island, I would vote against Lincoln Chafee even if I had to vote Dem.

Chafee votes with the Dems on EVERY issue of importance. He is less than worthless to the GOP.

Chafee is a disgrace and should be eliminated.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 4:29:39 PM PDT by Mobile Vulgus
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To: Beelzebubba

Pretty good assessment. Right now they think they have us by the you know what and can do what THEY want... look at the comments after the senate passed their amnesty bill, they said they had passed the "will of the senate."


5 posted on 06/22/2006 4:31:04 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Mike10542

Lincoln Chafee has gone over the edge. He's worse than Snowe and Collins. He had a 12 in the last ACU ratings. After he was willing to cling to the lie that ANWR would "destroy the environment" to the point that he would filibuster funding for our military (the ENTIRE thing), I could care less if this idiot wins or loses. If Chafee lost, the NRSC probably wouldn't help Laffey, but they wouldn't be helping Chafee, either, so that would free up funds for better candidates elsewhere, like in Maryland and Pennsylvania.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 4:33:02 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Beelzebubba

I agree. Unless we are willing to run people that truly for the people and what is good for the country; we will continue to get the same kind every time and they will sit comftorably there. It may take some time; but we will find the right ones. But, you need to get the wrong ones out too. Don't let them walk on you. Make yourself heard.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 4:33:19 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Mobile Vulgus

"there are times when they are so egregious that you jsut have to vote against them."

I agree about Chafee. McCain and Graham annoy me, particularly Graham but their not worth throwing the election to the Democrats. Chafee we can afford to lose IMHO.


8 posted on 06/22/2006 4:33:33 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Beelzebubba
If you are willing to mercilessly punish (at the ballot box) those who have been enjoying your past undeserved support, you might lose a seat, but the fear it instills (knowing that conservatives won't roll over just to add another meaningless "R" to the balance) will stiffen the backbones of others, giving us a more conservative senate in the long run.

No message is sent to anyone by losing a seat in RI. The place to "punish" the rogue Republicans is in Red States where there is an actual constituency they aren't serving.

9 posted on 06/22/2006 4:40:04 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Mike10542

Vote for Laffey in the primary and hope he wins.


10 posted on 06/22/2006 4:42:00 PM PDT by darkangel82 (Higher visibility leads to greater zottability.)
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To: Txsleuth; Mike10542

Here ya go.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653935/posts


11 posted on 06/22/2006 4:42:58 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: bkepley

I respectfully disagree. If you let the Senate or House caucus go to the 'rats, you will see a holocaust of investigations, a bloodbath lovingly reported by the MSM. I would vote for Franklin Roosevelt if he would give us the edge in who selects the committee chairs.

You may wish to stand on your conservative principles and go down the tube. But I wish to see conservative principles triumph. That takes a while and FR is a very important part of it.

I am reminded that in Constantinople before its fall, they said better the turban of the Sultan than the tiara of the pope. Well, those who sought absolute purity NOW, got their wish. Go to Istanbul and check it.


12 posted on 06/22/2006 4:43:01 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Mike10542
I sent $ to Laffey. (I live in NY)

If we do not support conservatives, we will be stuck with those who view our constitution as an inconvenience.

I am tired of the "pragmatic" conservatives that believe that it is more important to support a party than your principles.

Battle vs. War. Know the difference.
13 posted on 06/22/2006 4:43:37 PM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (DR #1692 Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas)
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To: Mike10542

Chafee is part of the Kennedy, Kerry, Collins, Snowe, Jeffers mindset. Does that answer your question? Do you imagine he will vote any different if he gets re-elected?


14 posted on 06/22/2006 4:46:33 PM PDT by thomaswest (RINO's are an endangered species.)
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To: Mike10542
1. Chafee has voted against the party on EVERY major issue. McCain, in contrast, is good on the major issues, like the war and tax relief, and he votes right on judges despite hie ridiculous Gang of 14 deal. Chafee is useless.

2. I don't think we need him to hold the Senate.

15 posted on 06/22/2006 4:47:35 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: mcvey

"I respectfully disagree. If you let the Senate or House caucus go to the 'rats"

My point was that I think we can do without Chafee and not lose the Senate. I'd say the odds are almost certain that we can lose Chafee and not the Senate.


16 posted on 06/22/2006 4:55:08 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley

I wish I had your optimism. We are in for a heck of a fight in Montana and I think Pennsylvania is gone. That cuts the margin of error way down.

Then we have DeWine in Ohio. Given the mess there, this will be touch-and-go.

Tennessee? Who knows? Where might we pick up a seat?

Two possibles at this moment: NJ? It is a RINO, but I have got to hope here. Washington. Well, based on immigration it is possible, but not likely. One of the Upper Midwest seats. Again, possible but not likely, except in Michigan where we do have a chance.

So, I just am not too optimistic these days.

I hope you are right.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 5:05:30 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: Mike10542

Why do you assume that only Chaf(f)ee(d), Lincol(o)n, RINO-RI, can win the senate seat in the general election, but a person who beats him stands no chance even though that individual is the mayor of Cranston?


18 posted on 06/22/2006 5:08:10 PM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Mike10542
Its not a done deal that Laffey will lose. But, Chafee more than any RINO deserves the door. So, this is something important to do.

Now the downside. Laffey is very likely to be a RINO too. Perhaps better because of the effort to get elected will show him that Conservative support can give and take away.. but don't expect Laffey to remind you of Allen or McConnell.

19 posted on 06/22/2006 5:19:46 PM PDT by dalight
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To: colorado tanker
"1. Chafee has voted against the party on EVERY major issue. McCain, in contrast, is good on the major issues, like the war and tax relief, and he votes right on judges despite hie ridiculous Gang of 14 deal. Chafee is useless.
2. I don't think we need him to hold the Senate."

Reluctantly, I will have to agree with you.
As a matter of principle, I say we should all come out STRONGLY and vote for our Republican candidates in November.
The one single exception has got to be the wrongly named Lincoln Chafee.
Words cannot even express how I feel about this sucker.
Suffice it is to say I despise him completely.
Honestly, I don't see his use to the Republican Party at all.
20 posted on 06/22/2006 5:31:40 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Mike10542
I have thought often about this very subject (I can't help it, I live in Maine!). I must disagree with most of the posters here.

1. The most important vote a senator makes is his first; that is, for Senate leader. A Republican, even a RINO, will vote for a Republican leader, while a 'Rat will vote for Reid (and Kennedy, etc, ad nauseum.)

2. In a predominantly blue state, where the media os overwhelmingly liberal, the best we can hope for is a moderate; conservatives tend to get crucified 24/7.

3. The best way to deal with RINO's is to marginalize them by winning Democrats' seats. The Rino's were Powerful when it was 51-49, then they controlled everything. Now that we have a strong majority, you haven'y heard much of the Gang of 14. We get to 60, and they will hardly matter anymore, and will go along with the majority (if they want to keep their plum committee jobs!)

In conclusion, I would hold my nose, vote for Chaffee, and send money to candidates running for open and Democratic seats.

21 posted on 06/22/2006 5:35:53 PM PDT by paul in cape
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To: Mike10542
I would take a look at how he measures up here. (Very badly, btw)

http://www.acuratings.org/2005all.htm#RI

In addition, I would watch races country wide. If there is a good to better chance we will pick up a seat somewhere else, I'd vote against him.

If we look like we're going to lose control, I'd vote for him.

If he switched to independent...you're on your own. LOL
22 posted on 06/22/2006 5:37:19 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: paul in cape

See my post #12


23 posted on 06/22/2006 5:58:39 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: paul in cape

Your post makes plenty of sense.


24 posted on 06/22/2006 6:10:02 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: Mike10542

I would vote for people like Collins and Snowe, because they know how a RINO should behave.

The rule is, Republicans from liberal states are allowed to vote with the Democrats any time except on important bills where their vote will make the difference. In other words, they could vote "wrong" 50 times, as long as they voted right just that one time when the leadership tells them their votes are needed.

That way, they placate their liberal constituency and get re-elected, while the leadership can count on them in the clinch.

Unlike Collins and Snowe, Chaffee has repeatedly violated this basic rule. He has voted against several major bills that have gone down to defeat by ONE vote.

The man is no better than Jim Jeffords. He simply cannot be trusted.


25 posted on 06/22/2006 6:21:24 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Dolphy

No message is sent to anyone by losing a seat in RI. The place to "punish" the rogue Republicans is in Red States where there is an actual constituency they aren't serving.



If you are going to be a doormat, all your going to get are people with s*** on their shoes.


26 posted on 06/22/2006 7:49:15 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba
If you are going to be a doormat, all your going to get are people with s*** on their shoes.

And if you're going to try sending messages where nobody is listening you are going to end up with McCain, Graham, DeWine, etc. and be in the minority.

27 posted on 06/22/2006 8:51:14 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: Mike10542

It is case of breathtaking stupidity to sacrifice a RINO for a Dem, Committee chairmanship positions are way too important to left to the Rats.

If Laffery wants to Challenge chaffee, he better make sure he has a chance of winning the senate seat, otherwise it is a case of repubs digging their own hole.


28 posted on 06/22/2006 11:35:59 PM PDT by GregH
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To: Jameison
I agree. My philosophy is that we have a two party system and my views are best advanced by Republicans. So, I'll vote for just about any pubbie over any dem. But Chafee has put himself beyond the pale. Even Jumpin' Jim voted more with the party when he was a pubbie.
29 posted on 06/23/2006 9:10:24 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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