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Specter counters House in move to save immigration bill
The Hill ^ | June 22, 2006 | Jonathan Allen

Posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:25 PM PDT by Shermy

When Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter stepped into the shower yesterday, it was an elusive immigration overhaul, not a slippery bar of soap, that he most hoped to keep within his grasp.

The Pennsylvania Republican wanted a way to counter the House GOP’s unusual post-passage hearings on the bill, which are sure to delay negotiations and give a platform to critics of the Senate’s “path to citizenship” for millions of illegal immigrants.

“I plan to hold some hearings of our own,” he told surprised reporters in the Capitol later in the day. “I just developed the idea this morning in the shower.”

Specter says he will start with a field hearing July 5 in Pennsylvania, the state he shares with fellow Republican Sen. Rick Santorum, a leading foe of the bill who is in an uphill reelection bid.

Specter aims to sway the public rather than directly influence his congressional critics, he said. But his announcement had the feel of a return volley.

“I don’t start wars, but, if I’m forced to, I’ll participate,” he said.

The Senate version of the bill combines border security provisions with a guest-worker program and the controversial plan to grant citizenship to illegal immigrants who meet certain requirements. The measure is backed by a bipartisan set of senators who maintain that a deal can still be struck. It passed, 62-36, on May 25.

Opponents argue that the bill’s path to citizenship would amount to amnesty for people who broke the law to get into the country.

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), who voted against the bill, said he would consider attending Specter’s field hearings.

“A good place to have it would be in Arizona,” Kyl said.

“The more information the better,” said Amy Call, spokeswoman for Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.), who supported the Senate bill.

The House version of the measure, passed in December, focuses solely on border protection, and many conservatives in both chambers are dead-set against the Senate’s citizenship provisions.

The stalemate has been reinforced by procedural objections, foremost a House threat to “blue slip,” or kill, the Senate version on the grounds that only the House can originate changes to tax law.

Most observers interpreted Tuesday’s announcement that the House would hold hearings as a concession from GOP leaders that they cannot enact a law before the November election. But Specter said there is still time.

“I don’t think it’s a death knell,” he said, noting that deals can be struck quickly in the Capitol.

Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said that his position is somewhere between the House and Senate bills and that he believes negotiators can find common ground.

“I think there is a sweet spot out there,” Lott said. “If they’ll come see me, I’ll tell ’em how we can solve it.”

House Republican leaders said Tuesday that hearings would allow them to amplify objections to the Senate measure. The decision was announced after Speaker Dennis Hastert and other GOP leaders held a closed-door meeting with several committee chairmen.

Specter said his hearings are not intended to delay an overhaul that he supports.

“I’m doing it to develop a broader factual evidentiary record on the need for a comprehensive bill,” he said.

The hearings will be targeted at the public, he said, adding, “That’s what will influence the legislative process.”

One Pennsylvanian who already agrees with Specter on the immigration bill is Santorum’s November opponent, state Treasurer Bob Casey Jr.

Santorum trailed Casey, 52 to 34 percent, in a poll of 1,076 Pennsylvania voters released yesterday by Quinnipiac University. In the same poll, 52 percent said they approve of the way Specter is handling his job as senator but only 38 percent said the same of Santorum.

“I think Senator Santorum is stating his own views, and I respect them,” Specter said, noting that he does not think hearings will “impact significantly on the issue in the campaign for him.”

Rep. Tom Feeney (R-Fla.), who became close to Santorum as a College Republican at Penn State University in the late 1970s, said discussion of the Senate immigration bill will cut to Santorum’s benefit.

“We need to stand back and let Americans understand what the Senate bill does,” Feeney said. “The Senate bill is a travesty.”


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Specter tries own push on immigration

"...Specter said he would convene a hearing July 5 in Philadelphia to discuss the Senate bill, which would create a guest-worker program and a path to legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants.

"Since the House is making a point of having hearings, we can, too," Specter said. "I'm doing it to develop a broader, factual, evidentiary record on the need for the comprehensive bill, which is challenged by quite a number of House members."..."

---Which begs the question, why didn't you have that during the Senate hearings? I suppose he's a true believer and didn't think that bill had to be rushed.

Ironic note about following the law...

Specter to grill officials on Bush ignoring laws

1 posted on 06/22/2006 6:47:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Soul Seeker; gubamyster; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; DoughtyOne; Argus

Ping.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 6:49:37 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Specter is demented.


3 posted on 06/22/2006 6:50:15 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (look at a map)
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To: Shermy

Once again making a Specter of himself...

I'm sure glad we haven't put him in a position of power. Oh wait...

Blah!


4 posted on 06/22/2006 6:50:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: Shermy

There goes dinner... Note to self: In the future, don't continue reading any article that starts off with Specter in the shower. It's more than I can take....


5 posted on 06/22/2006 6:52:58 PM PDT by demkicker (democrats and terrorists are intimate bedfellows)
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To: Shermy

6 posted on 06/22/2006 6:54:42 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Soul Seeker; gubamyster; calcowgirl

Fyi I noticed these memes rising through the media:

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/nation/14872568.htm?source=rss&channel=inquirer_nation

""Bush has said that an immigration measure that includes improved border security, a guest-worker program, and a path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants is a high priority.


and

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060622/ap_on_go_co/immigration_1

"...Kennedy and Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona were the chief architects of the Senate bill. It became known as the Hagel-Martinez bill, after Sens. Chuck Hagel, R-Neb., and Mel Martinez, R-Fla., developed a compromise that, while allowing millions of illegal immigrants to stay, would make millions of others leave. Bush supports letting some illegal immigrants stay and eventually become citizens.""

This mischaracterization I bet is being pushed by the White House to make Bush's radical plans seem moderate, again. The Hagel bill was not a compromise of the Kennedy bill it was almost the same. It Amensties allmost all illegals here. The last sentence frames Bush as even more "moderate" than Hagel bill. However did he not publicly support the Hagel bill? I believe he did. Sounds like damage control to me.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 6:56:16 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: DoughtyOne
When Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter stepped into the shower yesterday,

Now theres a visual I could have done without..

8 posted on 06/22/2006 6:56:25 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Allah is the opium pipedream of a desert pedophile...Freeper Ax)
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To: Shermy
When Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter stepped into the shower yesterday, it was an elusive immigration overhaul, not a slippery bar of soap, that he most hoped to keep within his grasp.

The thought of Specter questing after a bar of soap in the shower is rather frightening.

I guess Specter will be calling the Illegals and their spokesmen to come before his panel. A few people screaming how they are the Americans and Europeans the illegal immigrants should help his cause.

9 posted on 06/22/2006 6:57:19 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: Shermy
“I’m doing it to develop a broader factual evidentiary record on the need for a comprehensive bill,” he said.

I need a beer...

10 posted on 06/22/2006 6:57:27 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: cardinal4

Yeah, and I wish you folks would quit bringing it up. LOL Just kidding...


11 posted on 06/22/2006 6:57:43 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: golfisnr1

""Specter is demented.""

You think holding hearings in Philly on the need not only for amnesty but additional new guest worker programs is demented? What's the unemployment rate there?...Yep, he is.


12 posted on 06/22/2006 6:58:22 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: DoughtyOne

No Amnesty! No matter how much lipstick you put on the damn pig, its still a pig!


13 posted on 06/22/2006 6:58:59 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Allah is the opium pipedream of a desert pedophile...Freeper Ax)
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To: cardinal4

That's for sure.


14 posted on 06/22/2006 7:01:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Look at the House set up here, it's a 1-2-3 punch. What can the MSM do but declare the hearings are racist and hope people thereby will ignore them?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060622/ap_on_go_co/immigration_1

"""Also on the schedule are hearings July 5 in San Diego and July 7 in Laredo, Texas, on "Border Vulnerabilities and International Terrorism."

The House Education and Workforce Committee will hold a field hearing outside Washington in mid-July on making English the nation's official language and how enforcement of immigration laws affects U.S. workers. The location and date haven't been set.

And the House Government Reform Committee plans a hearing the week of Aug. 14 in Arizona focusing on costs to local, state and federal government "caused by an unsecured border."""


15 posted on 06/22/2006 7:03:51 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
“I plan to hold some hearings of our own,” he told surprised reporters in the Capitol later in the day. “I just developed the idea this morning in the shower.”


He should have taken a bath instead.
16 posted on 06/22/2006 7:04:41 PM PDT by Deo volente
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To: Shermy

I agree. It actually looks pretty good. Too bad we don't hold the White House... on this issue.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 7:05:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: cardinal4
No Amnesty! No matter how much lipstick you put on the damn pig, its still a pig!

Amen!

18 posted on 06/22/2006 7:08:04 PM PDT by A. Pole (Working three jobs - uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic, oooh yeah, yeah, hehe.)
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To: Shermy
“I just developed the idea this morning in the shower.”


Epiphany!
19 posted on 06/22/2006 7:10:59 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Shermy

This is a joke, unless Specter holds his field hearings with La Raza and specially selected cronies his bill will get laughed out of every town.


20 posted on 06/22/2006 7:14:58 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Shermy
"Specter aims to sway the public rather than directly influence his congressional critics"

Now why am I not surprised?
Sphincter has ZERO chance of changing the minds of House Republicans and turning them into traitors on immigration like himself.

"“I don’t start wars, but, if I’m forced to, I’ll participate,” he said."

Bring it on, fool!
21 posted on 06/22/2006 7:16:08 PM PDT by Jameison
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To: DoughtyOne; Soul Seeker

I'm seeing Democratic blogs framing the Hagel/Martinez bill as a "compromise." LOL. That meme needs to be shot down by the truth.


22 posted on 06/22/2006 7:16:13 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

When I step into the shower and lather up...

Mexicans are not on my mind.


23 posted on 06/22/2006 7:18:14 PM PDT by toddlintown
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

He's a true believer, I'll give them that. All the other Senators ran from explaining why we need this bill.

""This is a joke, unless Specter holds his field hearings with La Raza and specially selected cronies his bill will get laughed out of every town.""

La Raza has morphed into a front group for the business lobbies. Their work effectively aims to reduce the wages of Hispanic citizens. If they thought that through I guess they'd still be OK with that, given their racist agenda.


24 posted on 06/22/2006 7:18:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

I hope the brown supremacists trip all over themselves trying to testify at Sphincter's theatre of the absurd; it will remind the voters of the mobocracy seen a month ago.


25 posted on 06/22/2006 7:19:38 PM PDT by Prince Charles
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To: Shermy

There's a special place in Hell for Specter. I just wish he'd get there soon!


26 posted on 06/22/2006 7:19:42 PM PDT by Doc Savage (Bueller?....Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...Pelosi?...)
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To: toddlintown

""Mexicans are not on my mind.""

What's on his mind is, I'm guessing, one of his aides briefed him on the House's plans and that the House thought this would shed bad light on the Senate bill, which he thinks is a good bill.


27 posted on 06/22/2006 7:21:40 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), who voted against the bill, said he would consider attending Specter’s field hearings. “A good place to have it would be in Arizona,” Kyl said.

On the Mexican border. At 2:00 am. At a known drug-runner crossing. With Spectre out there all alone, yelling "Over here! Over here! We'll give you amnesty! And social security benefits!"

28 posted on 06/22/2006 7:22:04 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Owl_Eagle; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; Ciexyz; ...
I have no idea as to where he's coming from.

Somebody -- Santorum, maybe -- should propose within the week an amendment to Constitution making it so only those born here to parents legally allowed to be here are automatically citizens.

Better yet, make it so that only those born here to parents in the process of becoming citizens are automatically citizens.

It's one of those things that everybody should agree with, the guest worker fight and be saved for later, and at least some progress would be made before the election.

29 posted on 06/22/2006 7:27:07 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Shermy
He's a true believer, I'll give them that. All the other Senators ran from explaining why we need this bill.

It was reported yesterday that after going back home and hearing from their constituents many Senators now feel they made a political blunder. Soon Specter will be the only "Republican" left defending Kennedy's scam, I wouldn't be suprised if even McCain abandons it.

30 posted on 06/22/2006 7:27:18 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Tribune7
Somebody -- Santorum, maybe -- should propose within the week an amendment to Constitution making it so only those born here to parents legally allowed to be here are automatically citizens.

That would make a great campaign issue. It might even save Santorum in the upcoming election.

31 posted on 06/22/2006 7:34:47 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I wouldn't be suprised if even McCain abandons it.

Don't count on it. McCain's a true believer on this one, just like Bush.

32 posted on 06/22/2006 7:35:51 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Shermy
Sen. Trent Lott (R-Miss.) said that his position is somewhere between the House and Senate bills and that he believes negotiators can find common ground. “I think there is a sweet spot out there,” Lott said. “If they’ll come see me, I’ll tell ’em how we can solve it.”

"Sweet spot", "come see me"...LOL!

Lott's a dee-bag.

33 posted on 06/22/2006 7:36:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: cardinal4

Then it is up to the House leaders to push their bill with as much oomph as they can before this RINO weedles his way into the hearts of the uniformed voters where border security is not an issue.


34 posted on 06/22/2006 7:37:24 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: curiosity
Don't count on it. McCain's a true believer on this one, just like Bush.

You're probably right but McCain wants to be president bad and I think he truly believed this would help get him there. But it has backfired big-time, unless he retreats from this bill he won't get elected dog catcher in 2008.

35 posted on 06/22/2006 7:42:15 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
McCain wants to be president bad

He made a job offer majority of Americans will not be able to refuse - picking lettuce for $50 per hour.

36 posted on 06/22/2006 7:47:10 PM PDT by A. Pole (Fusion: "Dry is good... Wind is better. Forces of freedom on the march! Europe trembles!")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

""It was reported yesterday that after going back home and hearing from their constituents many Senators now feel they made a political blunder. Soon Specter will be the only "Republican" left defending Kennedy's scam, I wouldn't be suprised if even McCain abandons it.""

Well the House will offer another bill demand a vote and I think the Senate will run to it before the election. A possibility that's good for the country but will make the election less interesting thereafter. ;)


37 posted on 06/22/2006 7:47:36 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Come on home Arlen!

I'll tell you exactly what I think of your amnesty plan!


38 posted on 06/22/2006 7:49:05 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: Shermy
“I just developed the idea this morning in the shower.”

LOL! I'm sure we've all thought of things while in the shower, but when we share those ideas we don't usually report that's where we thought of it. This is just silly and undignified. I have to laugh.

39 posted on 06/22/2006 7:51:27 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Shermy
What Engels WOULD HAVE WRITTEN if he were alive today:

"There is a Specter haunting Pennsylvania...its name is Arlen!"

40 posted on 06/22/2006 7:52:44 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
An honest Spector supporter


41 posted on 06/22/2006 7:54:27 PM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: A. Pole
He made a job offer majority of Americans will not be able to refuse - picking lettuce for $50 per hour.

Look for him to pullout a wad of money when he makes his offer, his big business contributors give him lots of it to import that cheap labor Americans are "too lazy to do".

42 posted on 06/22/2006 7:55:43 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: bill1952

Haven't you heard, those are future Republican voters.


43 posted on 06/22/2006 7:56:52 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Shermy

How does this a$$hole keep getting elected?


44 posted on 06/22/2006 7:59:28 PM PDT by WackySam ("There's room for all God's creatures- right next to the taters")
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
McCain still won't get the nomination.
He is not running to the middle, he is running to the left.

Most people still vote for representative government, when they vote.
McCain represents himself, nobody else.
And the so-called "apathetic/nonpartisan/independent non-voters" will be re-entering the election process in droves, primarily due to this issue.
The clueless elitist politicians and media don't even seem aware the tsunami is already on the way...


Hint-it aint about "the war".
45 posted on 06/22/2006 8:03:15 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
You're probably right but McCain wants to be president bad and I think he truly believed this would help get him there.

I don't think he's that stupid. I really think he believes in what he's doing. I just can't for the life of me figure out why.

In contrast, it's pretty obvious why Bush is doing it.

But it has backfired big-time, unless he retreats from this bill he won't get elected dog catcher in 2008.

I think he's hoping that the electorate will have forgotten by then, and that they'll give him credit for taking a principled stand. He will be sorely dissapointed.

46 posted on 06/22/2006 8:04:45 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
That would make a great campaign issue. It might even save Santorum in the upcoming election.

That's what I'm thinking. And who could argue with it?

Another thing Congress can do -- which shouldn't be that controversial -- is to require that all businesses, no matter how small, be able to do transactions in English. If Lowes wants to put Spanish on it's signs fine, although it wouldn't be required in the least. But if some car dealer in El Paso can't provide an English translator he would be fined and in danger of a lawsuit. It would be like Geno's in reverse.

And this is not being mean, btw. An immigrant from China or Poland shouldn't be made to learn more than one new language.

47 posted on 06/22/2006 8:06:33 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Shermy

After Bush and Santorum went to bat for him in his own election, it's really sick that Specter is going to do something that will have the effect of hurting Santorum's difficult election campaign.


48 posted on 06/22/2006 8:09:03 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: curiosity; Reaganwuzthebest

""I don't think he's that stupid. I really think he believes in what he's doing. I just can't for the life of me figure out why.""

I think part of it was promises of money support from the cheaper labor lobbies. Mike Pence fell for it to, undermining his presidential ambitions.


49 posted on 06/22/2006 8:09:10 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy
The phrase "the need for a comprehensive bill" is code for "the only way we can get all the unpalatable provisions (including amnesty) passed is to include them in a comprehensive bill since they would never pass on their own".

No sale - - border security first, all by itself.

50 posted on 06/22/2006 8:11:21 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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