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Court's marijuana ruling a victory for authorities(zero tolerance in the real world)
http://www.mlive.com/news/ ^ | 6 22 06 | Steven Hepker

Posted on 06/22/2006 9:52:05 PM PDT by freepatriot32

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To: jmc813

Several points for you to think about:

Percoset is not THC.

Marijuana is illegal and should stay that way FOREVER.

DeVos is conservative Republican...therefore I support him. Sowhat are you doing on this forum???

If you don't like AMWAY products don't buy them.

Do not force people to live and work and drive with marijuana addled idiots!


101 posted on 06/23/2006 12:10:54 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Mojave

The law says one cannot have a controlled substance in one's body. THC is in the list of controlled substances. Carboxy THC is not. Ergo, the law has presumed to redefine a scientific fact for its own enrichment.

Have a good day.


102 posted on 06/23/2006 12:31:28 PM PDT by MortMan (There are 10 kinds of people in the world... Those that understand binary and those that don't!)
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To: eleni121
DeVos is conservative Republican...therefore I support him.

Please see Merchants of Deception. The Amway organization has taken the Word of the Lord and twisted it around in order to produce billions of dollars for a very small group of people. As a Christian you should be appalled. There is a special place in hell for people like the Amway higher-ups.

103 posted on 06/23/2006 12:39:54 PM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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To: Mojave
No, I only said it was a stretch.

I know you're a rational enough guy to realize that this law is gay and you're just too stubborn to admit it. I've gotta run. Will pick this up on Monday. Enjoy the weekend.

104 posted on 06/23/2006 12:42:03 PM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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To: opinionator
"What if he smoked the marijuana legally, either in a country where it is legal or in a state where medical marijuana is available?"

It's not legal to smoke it anywhere in America....and the courts have struck down legal medical use.

" Next time you think about posting...don't."

Free Republic is a conservative website. Keep that in mind next time you anarchist libertarians get the itch to waste bandwidth :)
105 posted on 06/23/2006 2:50:02 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: jmc813
"Do you agree with Rudy's way of dealing with guns too?"

No, but does that one mistaken impression invalidate his approach to crime overall?
106 posted on 06/23/2006 2:51:21 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: MortMan
THC is in the list of controlled substances. Carboxy THC is not.

THC isn't THC because you say so. Uh huh.

Delta-9 tetrahydrocannbinol and 11-carboxy tetrahydrocannbinol are both forms of THC.

"In a 4-3 decision released Wednesday, the court ruled that 11-carboxy-THC, which is released when the body breaks down the marijuana's psychoactive ingredient THC, is a schedule 1 controlled substance."

107 posted on 06/23/2006 3:18:08 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: jmc813

Gimme a break! Wat a crybaby.

Amway is captitalism at its finest. In fact, the only country where it was restricted was China.

Most critics like this bozo Hassan are those who quit and couldn't do anything or want to sell a book... I prefer to learn from winners not losers.


108 posted on 06/23/2006 3:32:54 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: freepatriot32
ROFLMBO... who says pot doesn't cause paranoia... this thread is proof it does...

Last month we had a pot head run all through my stone work in my ditch. He said it was days since he had any weed, but he had two wrecks in a weeks time...

He was under court order not to drive with his children in the car, but he called his mother and she picked up the baby before the police arrived. I was not so worried about his baby in the car, as I was over him possible running over my kids in my yard. LOL.. but my rock wall, two feet deep or more in areas did a wonderful job. He car/SUV was ripped from one end to the other, and my stone wall hardly had a scratch. My garbage can fared pretty well also, it was full of lumber and old cast iron sewer pipes I had recently pulled out of the basement and replaced. It had to weigh close to 600lbs when he slammed into it.

Just a real life experience.. with a pot head that decided not to keep it to himself.

109 posted on 06/23/2006 3:57:43 PM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: eleni121
Marijuana is illegal and should stay that way FOREVER.

I imagine you consider any form of government that can't guarantee that to be seriously flawed.

110 posted on 06/23/2006 4:59:18 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: jmc813
Nobody here wants it to be legal to drive while stoned.

Would you support a law that makes it illegal for someone who took a Percoset 3 weeks ago to drive?

Opiates are not evident in the urine or blood that long (only about 72 hrs.) and they are heavily regulated. Nice try.

Cannabis is absorbed by fatty tissue and it is detectable for about two weeks... Why not have your doctor prescribe a different pain med?

Now that marijuana is considered medicine to relieve pain, how should it be treated any different than any other pain medication that restrict driving???

111 posted on 06/23/2006 5:36:20 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: eleni121
Percoset is not THC.

It is an opiate and is only detectable for about 72 hrs.

112 posted on 06/23/2006 5:40:34 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: MortMan
This is not much different than the police arresting you (or me) for having a beer after we get home from work - after all, we were drinking and had been driving, right? Since the two no longer have to be simultaneous, why would the order matter?

More like arresting you for driving on the 27th of the month because of the beer you drank on the 1st.

113 posted on 06/23/2006 6:57:55 PM PDT by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: Mojave; jrg
jrg: I think that we should arrest all individuals driving under the influence of Paxil, Zoloft, and any other mood altering drugs

Mojave: Let me know when you're the majority.

Actually, it would seem that Michigan law does call for arresting individuals under the influence of Paxil, Zoloft, etc. (which after all are "controlled substances.") Equal protection under the law and all...

114 posted on 06/23/2006 10:30:47 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Mojave
So what? The voters through their representatives have decided to keep potheads and other illegal drug users off of the public streets while they still have dope residue in their systems.

Heh, heh...funny how when one agrees with a court ruling, the judges become "voters' representatives." Otherwise, they're over-reaching judicial activist bastards.

115 posted on 06/23/2006 10:34:20 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: ellery
funny how when one agrees with a court ruling, the judges become "voters' representatives."

Funny how you make things up. Legislators, not judges, enacted the law.

116 posted on 06/23/2006 11:24:02 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: ellery
Actually, it would seem that Michigan law does call for arresting individuals under the influence of Paxil, Zoloft, etc.

No quote, no cite, no link, no surprise.

117 posted on 06/23/2006 11:25:16 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: DesScorp

The larger effect you seek is all out war.
If you know you are going to jail then you ought to make it worthwhile by
poppin a cap into some treasonous jack booted thug.


118 posted on 06/24/2006 9:48:08 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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To: Mojave
No quote, no cite, no link, no surprise.

Right. No logic on your part... No surprise.

119 posted on 06/24/2006 1:44:52 PM PDT by MortMan (There are 10 kinds of people in the world... Those that understand binary and those that don't!)
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To: MortMan

Your bluff was called, you folded.

S.O.P.


120 posted on 06/24/2006 1:52:51 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Mojave

Did you miss the part of my post where I said "because Paxil, Zoloft, etc. are "controlled substances?" The article states that Michigan law prohibits driving under the influence of controlled substances -- I don't need another link when it's in the article to which this thread is attached. Prescription antidepressants by definition are controlled.


121 posted on 06/24/2006 9:20:29 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: Mojave

Judges, not legislators, decided that THC metabolites = THC.


122 posted on 06/24/2006 9:22:11 PM PDT by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: DesScorp
If we actually enforced our drug laws more, there'd be less drug use. Do a Rudy Guliani on the drug issue....go after every drug crime, no matter how small, and you'll see a larger effect.

Yea indeed! Also, if someone drives within a month of having a drink they should go to the slammer too. Zero tolerence is good!

123 posted on 06/24/2006 9:25:17 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: garylmoore
"If the chemical is found in your blood then you are guilty of breaking the law."

I hope you don't hold any elected office position. If you were ruler of the county, would you have us all submit a drug screening every week or so?

124 posted on 06/24/2006 9:26:16 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I have not, but what excerpts I have read from it seem pretty cogent, and critics universally seem to agree that it may be Camus' best work.

I think I'll probably end up feeling like New Sisyphus does about the piece, but on your suggestion, I will read it.

See, flattery WILL get you somewhere. 8)

125 posted on 06/24/2006 9:48:56 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: ellery
The article states that Michigan law prohibits driving under the influence of controlled substances

Why are you so afraid of quoting the actual language of the law?

126 posted on 06/24/2006 9:53:12 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: ellery
Judges, not legislators, decided that THC metabolites = THC.

Quote the law, question beggar.

127 posted on 06/24/2006 9:57:56 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: winston2
In brief - it's because it is a great mind and body experience - and not a significant health risk. There are thousands of years of history to prove this.

TOL said the same for LSD, except for the thousands of years part.

128 posted on 06/24/2006 10:02:19 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: MortMan
The law in this case was against driving while under the influence.

No, the law is a zero-tolerance law. zero means zero, not an amount that would cause intoxication.

129 posted on 06/24/2006 10:04:39 PM PDT by OmahaFields
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To: OmahaFields
They can't bring themselves to quote the actual law or Michigan Supreme Court.

From the Court's decision:

As stated above, the Public Health Code includes within the definition of marijuana every compound and derivative of the plant or its seeds or resin. THC is the main psychoactive substance found in the cannabis plant. 11- carboxy-THC is a metabolite of THC in that it is produced when the body metabolizes THC...

It is undisputed that THC and 11-carboxy-THC are identical except that in 11-carboxy- THC, two oxygen atoms are added to and three hydrogen atoms are removed from the eleventh carbon to make it more water soluble and easier to excrete.


130 posted on 06/24/2006 10:23:11 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: OmahaFields

The law prohibits driving with a class 1 controlled substance in your system. From the article, carboxy THC was added to that list by the judges through judicial fiat.

The result may be equitable - I'm not arguing that point - but the method is more than suspect.

BTW - "zero tolerance" equates to "zero intelligence".


131 posted on 06/25/2006 6:58:28 AM PDT by MortMan (There are 10 kinds of people in the world... Those that understand binary and those that don't!)
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To: Mojave

Right. Anyone who chooses to stop arguing with a illogical opponent has folded?

Congratulations on your self-aggrandizing delusion. Until you learn the rules of logic, you will have a hard time actually winning any of these debates.


132 posted on 06/25/2006 7:02:00 AM PDT by MortMan (There are 10 kinds of people in the world... Those that understand binary and those that don't!)
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To: MortMan

He's not here to win the debate, he's here to keep one from happening.


133 posted on 06/25/2006 7:12:11 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: eleni121

Don't believe everything you read, particularly in the Russian press ;)

*My apologies if you were posting that story as a joke


134 posted on 06/25/2006 7:49:17 AM PDT by somniferum (Annoy a liberal.. Work hard and be happy.)
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To: LibertarianInExile

Can we start by shooting drunk drivers?


135 posted on 06/25/2006 7:54:59 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Mojave
As stated above, the Public Health Code includes within the definition of marijuana every compound and derivative of the plant or its seeds or resin. THC is the main psychoactive substance found in the cannabis plant.

Soouds like Michigan has criminalized the posession and consumption of cellulose and chlorophyl.

136 posted on 06/25/2006 8:07:42 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: KoRn
I hope you don't hold any elected office position. If you were ruler of the county, would you have us all submit a drug screening every week or so?

I'd like to see an alcohol level done before every vote in the legislative branch.
137 posted on 06/25/2006 8:16:08 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Kozak
" I'd like to see an alcohol level done before every vote in the legislative branch."

LOL! The Kennedys would be out of office by default if that happened!!

138 posted on 06/25/2006 8:17:33 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: somniferum

Actully you are the one who should be reading more critically.

I would rather take my chances on the Russian press than the mainstream liberal drive by press.


139 posted on 06/25/2006 8:40:28 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
I found this part interesting:

"The active substance in cannabis, thujone, creates Atrial natriuretic peptides which stimulates the consequent reactions in the body."

You learn something new every day!

140 posted on 06/25/2006 8:45:35 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
INTERVENTION...


141 posted on 06/25/2006 8:48:45 AM PDT by One4Indictment
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To: One4Indictment

Somehow that doesn't look like Michigan.


142 posted on 06/25/2006 9:01:37 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Mojave
"How dare those statists!!! Don't they realize that there's a secret unwritten Constimuhtushunal emanation of a penumbra that guarantees the right to smoke dope and then drive on the public streets? "

Sir, your wit fails to cover your total lack of understanding of the topic under discussion.

143 posted on 06/25/2006 9:25:35 AM PDT by VRWCtaz (Conservatism is about promoting opportunity and Liberalism is about controlling outcome.)
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To: eleni121
Actully you are the one who should be reading more critically.

And should follow your own advice. That garbage article you posted was absurd, particularly this tidbit.

The active substance in cannabis, thujone, creates Atrial natriuretic peptides which stimulates the consequent reactions in the body.

144 posted on 06/25/2006 9:34:13 AM PDT by somniferum (Annoy a liberal.. Work hard and be happy.)
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To: somniferum

You need to do some research on thujone
before you go making ridiculous statements.


Except from link below:

"The toxicity of thujone in the brain is believed to result from its structural similarity to tetrahydrocannibinol, or THC (3) , the active compound in marijuana. ...Thujone and THC have similar shapes, and it is believed that they interact with the same biological receptor to produce their similar psychological effects"

http://www.phc.vcu.edu/Feature/oldfeature/thuj/thujone.html


145 posted on 06/25/2006 9:40:38 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

So, in your opinion, the active ingredient in cannabis is really thujone? Otherwise I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to prove.


146 posted on 06/25/2006 9:51:55 AM PDT by somniferum (Annoy a liberal.. Work hard and be happy.)
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To: somniferum

Along with everything else, the Russians now claim to have invented ditchweed.


147 posted on 06/25/2006 9:55:25 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: somniferum

Read the original article for the good news.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/06/20/nocannabis.shtml


148 posted on 06/25/2006 9:59:24 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

According to the article, the "good news" is they've "invented" cannibis with no thujone in it. Are we supposed to be impressed?


149 posted on 06/25/2006 10:07:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: eleni121

The article would indicate that they have developed Thujone free cannabis.


150 posted on 06/25/2006 10:07:40 AM PDT by somniferum (Annoy a liberal.. Work hard and be happy.)
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