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Scientists believe world is at its hottest for 2,000 years
THE SCOTSMAN (Scotland, UK) ^ | 23JUN06 | RUSSELL JACKSON

Posted on 06/22/2006 10:26:18 PM PDT by familyop

THE world is hotter than it has been for four centuries - and probably the hottest for 2,000 years - the United States' most prestigious scientific organisation said yesterday.

In a report to the US Congress, the National Academy of Sciences reported that the "recent warmth is unprecedented for at least the last 400 years and potentially the last several millennia".

A panel of top climate scientists told politicians that the Earth is heating up and that "human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming".

Their 155-page report said average global surface temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere rose about 1F during the 20th century.

This is shown in boreholes, retreating glaciers and other evidence found in nature, said Gerald North, a geosciences professor at Texas A&M University who chaired the academy's panel. The report was requested in November by the chairman of the House science committee, Republican Sherwood Boehlert, to address those who question whether global warming is a major threat.

Mr Boehlert said the report shows the value of having scientists advise Congress: "There is nothing in this report that should raise any doubts about the broad scientific consensus on global climate change."

The Bush administration has maintained that the threat is not severe enough to warrant new pollution controls that the White House says would have cost five million Americans their jobs.

Climate scientists Michael Mann, Raymond Bradley and Malcolm Hughes had concluded the Northern Hemisphere was the warmest it has been in 2,000 years.

The National Academy scientists concluded that the Mann-Bradley-Hughes research from the late 1990s was "likely" to be true, said John 'Mike' Wallace, an atmospheric sciences professor at the University of Washington and a panel member. The conclusions from the Nineties research "are very close to being right", and are supported by even more recent data, Mr Wallace said.

Overall, the panel agreed that the warming in the last few decades of the 20th century was unprecedented over the past 1,000 years.


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1 degree, Fahrenheit, over 100 years. ...big deal.
1 posted on 06/22/2006 10:26:20 PM PDT by familyop
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To: familyop

The earth is a cinder bathed in the flames of solar radiation. A flicker in its magnetic field would have more effect than all the activities of man.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 10:29:05 PM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: familyop

Man, it must have been seriously cold back then!


3 posted on 06/22/2006 10:30:10 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: familyop

I thought it was 400 years.

I guess they decided that if they were going to lie, might as well go big.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 10:30:19 PM PDT by airborne (Satan's greatest trick was convincing people he doesn't exist.)
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To: familyop

And the Sun's activity has absolutely nothing to do with it? I think they ought to just shut their boreholes;)


5 posted on 06/22/2006 10:33:02 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: familyop

I guess the heat 2000 years ago was from all those Roman orgies? Rome would last another 470 years so the extra heat back then didn't affect civilization so much did it?


6 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:01 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: familyop

Yeah? Well what explains why Mars' icecaps are disappearing?

Bush's fault!


7 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:13 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: airborne
Exactly...yesterday they said 400...but I guess their math or science was messed up...like by 500%!

If they can;t get that right, guess what? Probably don't have the other right either.

Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt...they are saying now that 2000 years ago it was hotter. How? and if it was...well, it sure looks like the earth and mankind all survived it somehow.

8 posted on 06/22/2006 10:34:14 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: familyop

A panel of top climate scientists told politicians that the Earth is heating up and that "human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming".

Including anthropologists, botanists, zoologists, entymologists, oceanologists...everthing but meteorologists and actual climatologists who do not yet share this "overwhelming" consensus.


9 posted on 06/22/2006 10:35:03 PM PDT by downtownconservative (Murtha is truly an EX-Marine...his motto, "nunquam fidelis")
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To: airborne
Very well said.

Concerning global temperatures, the average annual temperatures in the United States do not show great changes between 1895 and 1997: The centennial trend was only +0.022°C per decade, and for the period 1940-1997, +0.008°C per decade (Gordon, ed., European Science and Environment Forum, 1998, p. 52).
10 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:22 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: airborne
Very well said.

Concerning global temperatures, the average annual temperatures in the United States do not show great changes between 1895 and 1997: The centennial trend was only +0.022°C per decade, and for the period 1940-1997, +0.008°C per decade (Gordon, ed., European Science and Environment Forum, 1998, p. 52).
11 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:24 PM PDT by Falconspeed ("Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." Robert Louis Stevenson)
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To: airborne

Another triumph of junk science. Global warming, DDT, breast implants, Sen. John Edwards' legal career, the list goes on;)


12 posted on 06/22/2006 10:37:41 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: familyop
Even if this " Global Warming " is true ? < BR> I need to ask the Liberals/Democrats/Environmentalist , are you willing to give up any thing that make greenhouse gases either in your house, or car , in order to help our environment ?
Are you willing to give up your car for the sake of mother Earth ? and walk to work and shopping ?
Are you willing to not have heating ( either coal, oil, carbon fuels ) in your house in order to help mother Earth ? to put your effort in to clean up greenhouse gasses ?
Until you say yes, we won't listen to your " Global Warming " argument, and take you seriously.
13 posted on 06/22/2006 10:38:42 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: familyop
There were some serious vineyards in England a few centuries ago. Now its too cold to grow good grapes there.

But I suppose the satellite data from the last 2000 years has to be believed, er I mean the study of the way the ice melted in the last few years projecting minute changes in the climate backwards...is really solid science...no really...er uhm...we need more funding for research...yeah that's the ticket...or else your all gonna die...after all we are...uhm...err..."scientists"...yeah that's the ticket, we specialize in making it look real technical...yeah...

14 posted on 06/22/2006 10:38:53 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: familyop
The Bush administration has maintained that the threat is not severe enough to warrant new pollution controls that the White House says would have cost five million Americans their jobs.

Just for fun let's say we did that and went back to the 18Th. century, anything that we would acomplish would be wiped out by third world growth as they spend so much on keeping their countries clean, Junk Science.

15 posted on 06/22/2006 10:38:57 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (This tag-line is temporarily closed for remodeling)
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To: familyop
4,000 years ago, around the time of Noah, the world was the wettest.
16 posted on 06/22/2006 10:40:31 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Jesus always reads His knee-mail. (Hall of Fame Hit-N-Run poster))
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To: familyop

Well assuming they are right, the earth survived being this hot 2000 years ago. I think it will manage now.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 10:40:35 PM PDT by Daralundy
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To: Frank_2001
"And the Sun's activity has absolutely nothing to do with it? I think they ought to just shut their boreholes;)"

...agreed! I've been subscribed to a sunspot/aurora alert list for a few years and have read some relevant information along the way while waiting to take photographs.
18 posted on 06/22/2006 10:41:36 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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Morons. How are we going to cool the Sun? Did they even mention this:

The Sun is getting hotter.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/18/wsun18.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/18/ixnewstop.html


19 posted on 06/22/2006 10:41:43 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: Frank_2001
And the Sun's activity has absolutely nothing to do with it? I think they ought to just shut their boreholes;)

Heresy.

20 posted on 06/22/2006 10:42:40 PM PDT by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: AndyTheBear
"There were some serious vineyards in England a few centuries ago. Now its too cold to grow good grapes there."

Yes! That was around the time of the Norman invasion (almost 1000 years ago).
21 posted on 06/22/2006 10:43:47 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: familyop
And you thought the "world is flat crowd" was delusional. This is what happens when everything boils down to the lust for money and power.

Proverbs 27:20 Hell and destruction are never full; so the eyes of man are never satisfied.

22 posted on 06/22/2006 10:44:32 PM PDT by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (Jesus always reads His knee-mail. (Hall of Fame Hit-N-Run poster))
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To: Marius3188
Morons. How are we going to cool the Sun? Did they even mention this:

They are going to force the Sun to cool down by taxing it.

23 posted on 06/22/2006 10:46:38 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Not now, Not ever!
I wonder if the " Greenies " and Liberals are going after countries like China and India about Global Warming and holding them to the same standard as they do the USA ?
Opps,,, I forgot, the USA ( according to the MSM and Environmentalist ) causes the most Greenhouse gasses.
All this " Global Warming " propaganda by the commies, liberals , MSM , all have a AGENDA , to degrade, and destroy the USA economy, thus in return, will lower and degrade our military capabilities, thus their agenda is to bring the USA down.
24 posted on 06/22/2006 10:47:16 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: familyop

Are we farming Greenland yet?


25 posted on 06/22/2006 10:49:35 PM PDT by marron
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

BZZZT! We have a winner.


26 posted on 06/22/2006 10:50:35 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (This tag-line is temporarily closed for remodeling)
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To: familyop

I'm glad it's warmer. To hell with freezing temps!!!


27 posted on 06/22/2006 10:51:03 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Marius3188

Good link

I especially love the line: "It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research."

Cha-ching!


28 posted on 06/22/2006 10:51:47 PM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: Jeff Head
"Overall, the panel agreed that the warming in the last few decades of the 20th century was unprecedented over the past 1,000 years."

NEWSFLASH:

Overall, the panel agreed that the warming trend in the last few decades of the 20th century was precedent before the last 1000 years. Er, uh, maybe not, um, it could have been, I mean we think that it, uh, we really can't say for sure but, um, nevermind, we really just make this stuff up to look important so that we can pat each other on the back and say 'Well done, Proffessor".

29 posted on 06/22/2006 10:53:59 PM PDT by uptoolate (Eph 6:24)
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To: familyop
How can this be?
In 1974 TIME Magazine reported that climate experts had determined that we were entering another ice age.
"Since the 1940s the mean global temperature has dropped about 2.7° F."...Time Magazine June 24, 1974
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30 posted on 06/22/2006 10:54:56 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: AndyTheBear
Heresy.

Last time it was this hot, heresy hadn't been invented yet.

31 posted on 06/22/2006 10:56:37 PM PDT by mhx
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To: familyop

Earth: flat and getting hotter.


32 posted on 06/22/2006 10:59:38 PM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (Whats the matter with these Liberals? Didn't they learn anything in reeducation camp?)
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

Rev 21:5 And He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new " And He said, "Write, for these words are faithful and true."

Really doesn't matter how hot the earth gets, does it.


33 posted on 06/22/2006 11:03:18 PM PDT by uptoolate (Eph 6:24)
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To: abbi_normal_2; adam_az; Alamo-Girl; Alas; alfons; alphadog; AMDG&BVMH; amom; AndreaZingg; ...
Rights, farms, environment ping.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this list.
I don't get offended if you want to be removed.

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34 posted on 06/22/2006 11:05:46 PM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: familyop

Northern Minnesota Lots for Sale

35 posted on 06/22/2006 11:07:25 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Prophet in the wilderness

YES! I will walk to work, 10 miles uphill each way.

Yes; I will build my house out of old bottles, to trap the sun's energy, so I do not have to heat it.

Yes! I will build a large cistern, and direct all of my roof runoff into to it, so energy doesn't have to be wasted piping & pumping water to my home.

Yes! I will install a wind generator in my back yard, to disconnect from the grid.

YES! I will erect a semaphore tower on my roof, so we don't have to waste resources on a telephone system.

Oh, wait; except for the first one, the envirowhacks & Libs wouldn't allow me to do it; it would mess up their quietude; their pristine views; upset their sensibilities; deprive them of utility tax revenues....


36 posted on 06/22/2006 11:08:30 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (If God didn't want a politician hanging from every tree, he wouldn't have created rope)
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To: Dallas59
"I'm glad it's warmer. To hell with freezing temps!!!"

I once lived in that place for over a decade, just a little to the south of you (Corpus). ;-)
37 posted on 06/22/2006 11:15:22 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: uptoolate
Yes,, you are correct sir, I was just bringing up the reason what's behind the " Global Warming Agenda " and all of forces and political reasons behind it.
If the commies, liberals , anti-America crowd can't defeat the USA militarily, they will try to rot and destroy the USA from within socially, and economically.
38 posted on 06/22/2006 11:23:20 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ApplegateRanch
LOL, yes, you are correct, but, not everyone can afford to do those things economically at this point in time.
It's a real hoot to watch the same forces in the Liberal Socialist movement oppose each other in MASS, old Teddy doesn't want his water side view obstructed by those windmills by the seaside.
39 posted on 06/22/2006 11:27:41 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: familyop
I've been reading through the report and the most striking thing that I've found so far is that one of the absurd claims by the Mann, et. al. papers in Nature could not be supported in this report, and they explicitly said so. The absurd claims that I'm talking about are that the 1990s were the hottest decade in a millennium and that 1998 was the hottest year in a millennium. This report notes that uncertainties for temperature reconstruction for individual years and decades are larger than that for longer time periods and that the proxy data that they used can't resolve to such short periods of time.

Additionally, I agree with the statement that the earth is the warmest it has been in 400 years. Big deal, the Little Ice Age was from 1500-1850. This report was from 1600-2000. They also explicitly state that they don't have high confidence for the last 1000 years and that they have "very low confidence" for the 1000 years prior.

I haven't gotten to the claims that humans have caused global warming yet so I can't comment much on that. In short though, the report claims that humans have caused recent warming because they were able to calculate the 'expected' values of solar radiation and volcanic activity. I'm not so sure I agree with those assumptions (especially the solar radiation assumption).

Finally, the only proxy data that I really trust is the ice core data (and there are many other types used). But the biggest problem with ice core data is that it is really only accurate for measuring temperatures in a static ice field. This pretty much limits its use to extremely high latitudes. Unfortunately, if you want to measure planetary temperature, you can get a better inference if you measure temperatures near the equator. There are some glaciers near the equator, but snow patterns yield them pretty much useless. For this reason, I think the uncertainties in temperatures recorded near the poles are underestimated.
40 posted on 06/22/2006 11:54:01 PM PDT by burzum (Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.--Adm. Rickover)
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To: familyop

The other planets have been supposedly warming as well (probably do to more solar activity), so how is man responsible for that?

What egos to think we are capable of changing temperatures on earth.


41 posted on 06/23/2006 12:03:32 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: familyop
I wonder what happened to all the scientist? They seem to have been serupticioulsy replaced by over emotional chicken little's and environmental jihadist Mullahs. The scientific method seems to have gone bye-bye.
42 posted on 06/23/2006 12:31:43 AM PDT by SeaWolf (Orwell must have foreseen the 21st Century Democratic Party when he wrote 1984)
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To: familyop
The question is not whether it's hotter, its whether we had anything to do with it. The earth goes through many different cycles of varying lengths (11 years, 60 years, 400 years, 1000 years) of warmer+wetter, warmer+drier, colder+wetter, colder+drier, over and over, and over again. Of course, EVIL MEN try to take what is a very natural phenomena and use it for their own selfish purposes.
43 posted on 06/23/2006 1:42:34 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: familyop; All

This global warming CRAP is nothing more than an excuse to impose SOCIALISM on the masses. PURE AND SIMPLE!!!


44 posted on 06/23/2006 1:45:38 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: DaveLoneRanger

global warming ping.


45 posted on 06/23/2006 1:49:11 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Wasn't that 5,000 years ago?


46 posted on 06/23/2006 1:50:38 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: familyop; finnman69
A great resource for refutation of this nonsense follows, courtesy of finnman69.

GLOBAL WARMING PRIMER
http://www.clearlight.com/~mhieb/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/land/global/climchng.html
http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/historical_CO2.htm
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html



These two figures show former temperatures with major periods of glaciation labeled. The dashed lines are the present global average temperature of about 15° C (59° F). Thus the solid curves show small changes from this average; note that the temperature drops only about 5° C during a glaciation. This has occurred about every 100,000 years, with smaller wiggles in between. That is, there has been a 100,000 year glaciation cycle for the past million years or so, and there may be shorter cycles as well.

The most recent glaciation, 20,000 years ago, is called the Laurentide, and Earth is still recovering from it. This map from the The Illinois State Museum exhibit on ice ages shows the extent of that ice.


The most recent small drop in average temperature caused the Little Ice Age of 1500-1700 AD, which history describes. Mountain glaciers advanced in Europe and rivers like the Thames in England froze solid, which doesn't happen now.


Click image for animation

The growth of the ice sheets began about 120,000 years ago as ice built up on the continents in the Northern Hemisphere, especially in Canada and Europe. The largest extent of these ice sheets occurred 18,000 years ago. At that time the largest ice sheets were between 3.5 and 4 km thick. In North America the largest ice sheet was the Laurentide Ice Sheet centered on Hudson Bay with other sheets centered on Greenland and in the Canadian Rocky Mountains. As these ice sheets expanded they grew together, covering Baffin Bay and eventually the Great Lakes and New England. In northwestern Europe the Fennoscandian Ice Sheet began to grow and expand south to cover what is now Norway and Sweden and north to cover the exposed continental shelf. Over time the ice sheet grew to cover Finland and the United Kingdom. This ice sheet extended east to the Ural Mountains where it met the Siberian Ice Sheet. Before the last ice age ice sheets already existed on Antarctica and on Greenland.

Most people seem surprised when we say current levels are relatively low, at least from a long-term perspective - understandable considering the constant media/activist bleat about current levels being allegedly "catastrophically high." Even more express surprise that Earth is currently suffering one of its chilliest episodes in about six hundred million (600,000,000) years. Given that the late Ordovician suffered an ice age (with associated mass extinction) while atmospheric CO2 levels were more than 4,000ppm higher than those of today (yes, that's a full order of magnitude higher), levels at which current 'guesstimations' of climate sensitivity to atmospheric CO2 suggest every last skerrick of ice should have been melted off the planet, we admit significant scepticism over simplistic claims of small increment in atmospheric CO2 equating to toasted planet. Granted, continental configuration now is nothing like it was then, Sol's irradiance differs, as do orbits, obliquity, etc., etc. but there is no obvious correlation between atmospheric CO2 and planetary temperature over the last 600 million years, so why would such relatively tiny amounts suddenly become a critical factor now?



47 posted on 06/23/2006 1:51:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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year-round golf..YES!!


48 posted on 06/23/2006 3:10:52 AM PDT by basalt
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To: basalt
"year-round golf..YES!!"

I live in Melbourne, FL.

49 posted on 06/23/2006 4:10:33 AM PDT by moonman (`)
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To: freepatriot32

BTTT


50 posted on 06/23/2006 4:24:03 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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