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Immigration key to Utah election
Washington Times ^ | 6/23/06 | Charles Hurt

Posted on 06/23/2006 3:40:49 AM PDT by Dane

PROVO, Utah -- Rep. Chris Cannon is a loyal Republican with the endorsement of the National Rifle Association and a 100 percent rating from the American Conservative Union. He is unmarred by the ethical scandals that have roiled Washington in this election season....

Tuesday's matchup in Utah is viewed as a bellwether for how immigration issues play out nationwide. "If you want to throw the bums out, you can do that," Mr. Cannon said during his debate with Mr. Jacob earlier this month. Responded Mr. Jacob: "When you talk about throwing the bums out, I'm just working on one right now."

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; baybuchanan; bryantgumbel; cannon; congress; danethread; disneyland; housemanager; immigrantlist; immigration; impeachmentmanager; jacob; johnfund; kilngons; mormonbashing; rushlimbaugh; sensenbrenner; startrek; tancredo; tribbles; ushouse; willardscott
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To: Dane

Change the subject if you wish.

It won't hide the fact that you support the invasion of our country by illegal aliens, or your support for our elected officials who enable this ongoing crime.


21 posted on 06/23/2006 6:00:44 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: Dane
Wow what a thread!! Wayne outing himself as bryant gumball and you defending John Jacob's Disneyland style amnesty, "fast pass".

And you've long ago outed yourself as a Quisling who sides with the marxist street marchers and Democrats Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry, and Dean. I've outed myself as a conservative Republican who supports national security, the preservation of our sovereignty, the protection of our borders, and the enforcement of our laws.

As for the "fast pass", it is far better than the anarchy created by open borders, a lack of enforcement of our immigration laws, and the promises from Cannon and President Bush and others of rewards, benefits, and privileges to criminal aliens. It is far better than giving them citizenship and allowing millions of NEW DEMOCRAT VOTERS on the books to ensure Democrat majorities in Congress and a Democrat President from now on.

Your position on this issue is CLEARLY the liberal position. Yet you continue to abuse this CONSERVATIVE forum to press for your LIBERAL position. This forum is not a polite debating society, but it is founded to promote the CONSERVATIVE view, candidates, legislation, etc. Your constant attacks against the more conservative candidates, legislation, and positions should not be tolerated here. The liberal leftist lies that you spread here should be similarly prohibited. You are constantly using lies invented by Rep. Tom Tancredo's Democrat opponents to attack him. You keep using lies invented by a pro-Marxist Democrat (Yapias) to attack John Jacob. Anyone can review your posting history and see this behavior. That is all that you do here. You have NEVER promoted the more conservative position, candidate, or legislation. The ONLY issue that you post about is illegal immigration and you ALWAYS promote amnesty, open borders, and rewards and privileges for criminal aliens. You use ad hominem attacks, insults, lies, slander, smears, and bizarre non-sequiturs to continue your leftist agenda here.

22 posted on 06/23/2006 6:00:51 AM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Dane

Dane, just follow the money, we know who is supporting Cannon, all the big business types,construction and agricultural interests, who use taxpayer subsidized "cheap" labor and subsidies.

I love how you guys like US taxpayers to foot the bill for your "cheap" labor. IMO its just theft of taxpayers money with a hidden fraudulent face. You want "cheap" labor, pay for it yourself, why ask those of US who don't profit from it to subsidize it! What else do you want US to pay for on your behalf?


23 posted on 06/23/2006 6:03:35 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: WayneM; colorcountry; Spiff

Well I thought byrant gumball and his supporters could be the only people on Earth that hate Willard Scott, well this thread proves another group acts like the Klingons(bryant gumbel) when presnted with tribbles(Willard Scott), tom tancredo/bay buchanan supporters.


24 posted on 06/23/2006 6:07:02 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Legalizing illegal aliens undermines every other conservative position. We will lose on every other issue if we hand our voting power over to the people who elected a socialist mayor in Mexico City.

Imagine... You're in a plane full of Republicans.

The co-pilot has done nothing notable. He barely passed his flying lessons and he's a bit abrasive. He seems generally conservative, but you don't fully know where he stands on the issues.

The captain is a former test pilot and decorated war hero. He remains calm under all circumstances. He knows the plane inside and out. He's friendly. The crew and passengers love him. He's a good Republican. He wants to fly the plane straight into a mountain.

Who should fly the plane?


25 posted on 06/23/2006 6:08:29 AM PDT by ArcadeQuarters
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To: Dane
Question: "Why does Cannon deserve reelection despite being Congress's most prominent proponent of amnesty for illegal aliens, in-state tuition for the children of illegal aliens, and for resisting the prosecution of illegal aliens for social security fraud?"

Dane: "Why, that's easy. Gee, waynem, maybe you and the bryant gumball machine should have lunch sometime, especially with your shared animus of Willard Scott(who BTW, was the first Ronald McDonald, heck invite a PETA whacko to your Willard Scott hatefest, you all will probably have a gay old time)."

I see.

26 posted on 06/23/2006 6:10:22 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Dane
I don't know who Bryant Gumball or Willard Scott is. Can't you stick to facts regarding this primary election, to abuse your contenders.

Man you are real........

I've met John Jacob. His father was a sheephearder, his mother comes from a isolated rural community. He has good, solid conservative values. The only thing you can attack him on is the term "fast pass," which is a term even John Jacob has not clearly defined. It is an alternative...is it viable? Who knows...but we do know that Cannon's plans are unacceptable.

Fire the Cannon!

27 posted on 06/23/2006 6:12:12 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry
I don't know who Bryant Gumball or Willard Scott is

Yeah and hillary is a moderate also. LOL!.

28 posted on 06/23/2006 6:14:52 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: BinaryBoy

You obviously have never listened to "pilot" Chris Cannon. He runs off at the mouth like he's been hitting the bottle.

During the State Republican convention, he was disgusting....wanted to set up private Social Security accounts for illegals because, "they are entitled to any money they have paid into the fund."

WHAT...IMO illegals are entitled to NOTHING! BTW the passenger Jacob is a decorated war hero who is sick of sitting still and letting the planes of our country get hijacked. He is the leader of the revolution.

Let's Roll!


29 posted on 06/23/2006 6:16:18 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Dane

I know they are on some TV show...that they host something. Don't know anything about their character or their political positions. One is black the other is, was, is fat (not sure which.)

I seldom make important decision based on such superfiscial evidence.

Obvioulsy you do.


30 posted on 06/23/2006 6:18:33 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry; WayneM
BTW colorcountry, if the 0.1% chance that you are being honest and you do not know who Willard Scott is, he is the sometimes weatherman on the Today show, who has been replaced by Al Roker, but sometimes fills in and is the one who along with his sponsor(Smucker's Jelly) announces peoples name who have reached their 100th birthdays.

As shown on this thread it seems that Willard Scott is hated by bryant gumball liberals and tom tancredo/bay buchanan "conservatives", akin to the way the Klingons hated the Tribbles in the Star Trek episode, "The Trouble with Tribbles".

31 posted on 06/23/2006 6:22:58 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: colorcountry

It seems like a very odd time to be talking about a do-nothing congress. If you were saying that this congress has done too much, I would understand. Remember gridlock? In fact, this congress has done a lot, and that has created impatience. Why haven't they fixed everything, and why didn't they do it all, yesterday?


32 posted on 06/23/2006 7:00:04 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Dane

I don't watch network TV....haven't for years, but I recognize the guys face from the 80's when I used to pay attention to such nonsense.

I think you may be surprised to find out how many people wouldn't recognize the name Willard Scott. We are not all caught up in the MSM.

BTW...I grew up on a ranch that was 250 miles from the nearest television station. Never had TV reception until satellites were installed in the early 80's. Believe it or not, I never got into the habit of watching the boob tube.


33 posted on 06/23/2006 7:00:54 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry

Humm. Seems like this is up to the people of Utah. No mention of them here at all.


34 posted on 06/23/2006 7:04:18 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: colorcountry; WayneM
I think you may be surprised to find out how many people wouldn't recognize the name Willard Scott. We are not all caught up in the MSM

Please Willard Scott is still on TV because of the "rural local yokels"(per rhetoric from bryant gumbel and whom gumbel hates(local yokels).

I have no problem with Willard Scott and his 'schtick' of announcing names of people who have reached their 100th birthday, which I hope to reach someday and also for you, unlike someone like zealous tancredo supporter waynem, who it seems agrees with bryant gumbel with his animus towards Willard Scott.

35 posted on 06/23/2006 7:08:22 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Just like the loony left, you accuse others of hatred and shift the focus away from the subject discussion. I never said hate or hatred - you did. I used the term annoying.

Most pro-reconquista folks, when pushed hard enough, will start throwing out accusations of hatred and racism, so I doub't anyone here is surprised you were the first to throw out the hate card.

Take a look at this thread and tell us how many people you have swayed over to your position. I don't see many.

Grow up and at least attempt to progress beyond your infantile annoyance. Once you learn how to discuss something intelligently, you may have some success in convincing others that illegal aliens have a right to be here.


36 posted on 06/23/2006 7:08:53 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(¯`'•..•'´¯).......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: ClaireSolt
It seems like a very odd time to be talking about a do-nothing congress

It seems like the highly contested primary is precisely the RIGHT time to talk about the congress.

I ask you to listen to Cannon speak for 20 minutes. You won't be listening or understanding any of his blather after the first 5 minutes. He's incompetent...he ran his business into the ground, took employee pension funds, spent almost $60,000,000 of his own money in 10 years leaving him with only about $1,000,000 and subject to corruption and influence of the gambling industry among others.

The guy is a wreck...just because he voted right on conservative issues that the ACU thought were important does not make him the better candidate. He's a phony. During the State GOP Convention, he reran ads from his first campaign showing bloopers with him handling a horse and trying to make himself a "man's man." The only reason he won that election is because he is a Republican in a highly Republican district. That is a fact.

37 posted on 06/23/2006 7:08:57 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: ClaireSolt
Humm. Seems like this is up to the people of Utah. No mention of them here at all.

Unlike you, I AM from Utah. I was a caucus delegate to the State GOP Convention, and I am an election poll judge. I speak from Utah for some Utahans (about 52% according to the votes at the convention.) Didn't seem to need to reiterate I AM FROM UTAH AND I LIVE IN DISTRICT 3. How's that!

38 posted on 06/23/2006 7:13:58 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Dane

well, i guess i'm lucky. i get to actually vote in this contest. and i ain't voting for that slimeball, cannon.


39 posted on 06/23/2006 7:15:20 AM PDT by frankenMonkey (Name one civil liberty that was not paid for in blood)
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To: WayneM
Just like the loony left, you accuse others of hatred and shift the focus away from the subject discussion.

Uh wayne, I wasn't the one who said that Willard Scott was "annoying"(waynem's reply #9 of this thread).

Looking at your replies on this thread, who is your "Today" show hero behind the closed bathroom door.

IMO, it's bryant gumbel(looking at your and bryant gumball's hatred of Willard Scott).

Again, JMO, but dude, wayne, get some help, with your Willard Scott obsession.

40 posted on 06/23/2006 7:16:46 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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