An idea whose time has come? (Pat Buchanan)

Townhall.com ^ | June 23, 2006 | Pat Buchanan

[dennisw]

My own guess the Pershing story (bury them in pigskins) is a myth or 70% myth

[Sabramerican]

I read this a couple of times because after the first reading I thought I was missing something.

He starts out by wring that there was a wise man who saw Islam as a future problem for the West. Ok.

The he writes, notwithstanding with some admiration ("The idea for which our many of our adversaries fight is a compelling one"), that Islam is belligerent and on a bloody trail.

Then as usual he inserts to blame Israel- ignoring that just above he had written that Islam was predicted to resurrect and spread its "(admirable") aims.

Then he says we should change course in how we face Islam because we in the West are doomed to defeat.

And then he stops.

So presumably the change that is needed is that we no longer stand up to Islam -I would argue we haven't even begun to stand up to Islam- - but get down on bent knee.

It leaves me with one question. When is Buchanan converting to Islam?

[photodawg]

Oh yeah? "Freedom" of PR slogans and nation building?

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I will not have dialog with anyone who initiates a response to a premise by saying "Oh yeah."

[rcocean]

The only hatred I see is *your* hatred for Pat Buchanan - because he doesn't support Israel enough.

As for your mind reading exercise, its quite humorous.

Funny how all the Jews - who work with Pat - don't share your feelings about his "well disguised" jew hatred.

But maybe they're jewish "anti-semites" and part of the mysterious, neo-nazi conspiracy.

[Stepan12]

Please explain. If somebody - like me - doesn't support the war in Iraq, why does that translate into "hatred of Jews"? Does John Paul II "hate Jews"? He opposed the US invasion of Iraq. Does Tom Clancy "hate Jews"? He opposed the invasion of Iraq. Does Wm F Buckley "hate Jews"? He now says he would have opposed it if he'd known then what he knows now - i.e., that Iraq wasn't a threat to the US. Why smear people with "hate Jews" label, simply because they disagree with you on a policy issue? Jesse Jackson likes to smear people as racists if they disagree with him on this or that. Too bad there are conservatives - or people who think they're conservatives - who've adopted a similar tactic.

I said foreign policy -- not just the Iraq war! The whole paleo movement is nothing but clowns full of frustrated power lust and anti-Semitism, using the new [k word] neo con as their substitute for Jews.

[Stepan12]

While neo con is certainly a perjorative against the Jews, not everyone is smart enough to realize what the word means when the Paleo Conservatives use it. Mick Jagger is one of these people when he sings about neo con Condelezza Rice; however, we of the vast Jooish conspiracy to harm U.S. interests by not supporting Saddam Hussein and Al Qaida have ways of dealing with Mick Jagger /sarcasm Neo Cons Imprison Mick Jagger without a trial!

"Better to be wanted by the police than not wanted at all."

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[G. Stolyarov II]

In this article, Buchanan only poses a problem and no apparent solutions; his tone is cynical and rather defeatist. Yes, fanatical Islam is a threat, and yes, we need to combat it. But the proper attitude ought to be one of *glorifying the accomplishments and liberty present in the West*, rather than acknowledging the strengths of the enemy. Furthermore, Buchanan fails to mention the outstanding gains made against Islamist fanaticism by the War-on-Terror-related initiatives in Afghanistan and Iraq, including the elimination of the murderous thug al-Zarqawi.

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[A. Pole]

You are raving and you are very insulting too.

[A. Pole]

While neo con is certainly a perjorative against the Jews, not everyone is smart enough to realize what the word means when the Paleo Conservatives use it.

Not everyone is as smart as you.

BTW, I like your photo.

[Stepan12]

You are raving and you are very insulting too.

Tsk tsk tsk.... I must've struck a nerve. Anti-Semites so hate it when Jews fight back.

[Stepan12]

Not everyone is as smart as you.

Thank you!

[A. Pole]

Tsk tsk tsk.... I must've struck a nerve. -Semites so hate it when Jews fight back.

You did not. You are just a bully who tries to intimidate your opponents. And as a bully you are a coward who is afraid of honest rational discourse.

[meema]

Good Morning!

[meema]

The only hatred I see is *your* hatred for Pat Buchanan - because he doesn't support Israel enough.

How true.

[photodawg]

In matters of survival it does not help if your civilization has "culturally advancing principles" like gay marriage.
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How is "Gay marriage" a culturally advancing principle? Culture, represents the commonly accepted values of a society,not some set of alternative lifestyles and modes of behavior. Simply put, islam regress to the 7th century and is essentially void of characteristics that would advance freedom, the free market system, and human advancement. Do you want to argue that Christianity is just as dogmatic as islam? I would beg to differ.

[A. Pole]

Do you want to argue that Christianity is just as dogmatic as islam? I would beg to differ.

The problem is not with "being dogmatic". If you stick to the rules of logic or common sense or if you stick to the principles justice or dogmas of TRUE Faith it is good.

Good Christians have to stick to the dogmas like the one of Holy Trinity for example. Good patriots stick to the rule that you do not sell your country for a profit, etc ....

The real problem is what is CONTENT of your beliefs. For example if your belief is that you should love your enemies and forgive those who offend you the outcome is very different if you follow the rule "eye for eye".

If you are flexible on every point then you do not have spine and you are a base wretched human being.