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Muslims Address Silence on Europe Attacks
Las Vegas Sun ^ | June 24, 2006 at 12:40:46 PDT | SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI ASSOCIATED PRESS

Posted on 06/24/2006 12:48:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - Europe's Muslims have remained largely silent in the face of terrorist attacks that have killed 254 people in Madrid, London and Amsterdam. Europeans want to know why.

Why have so few of them publicly condemned the train and bus bombings in Madrid and London? Why have so few spoken out against the murder of Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh, killed because his work was considered an insult to Islam?

Talk to Europe's mainstream Muslims privately, however, and it turns out they have a lot to say.

Seek them out in the neighborhoods where they live and work - in the outdoor markets and butcher shops that sell halal meat, in the book stores that display literature on Islam and the West, in the boutiques that promote Islamic dress codes, in the Turkish restaurants and smoky Tunisian teahouses, in their schools and youth clubs - and they denounce, the vast majority unequivocally, attacks against civilians in both Europe and the United States.

"Van Gogh was a crazy man, but no one has the right to kill anyone who says bad things about the Quran," said Mohammed Azahaf, a 23-year-old student who runs a youth center in Amsterdam. "If you kill one, it's like killing the whole of mankind," he said, quoting a line from the Muslim holy book.

Why, then, the public silence?

For some of the more than five dozen Muslims interviewed for this story in Amsterdam, Paris and London, it's a sense of shame, or even guilt, that innocents have been killed in the name of Islam; they say those feelings make them seek to be "invisible." For those lucky enough to have jobs, there is little time to protest or even write letters to newspapers. For others, there is fear of being branded anti-Islam in their communities.

Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community. He also turned down requests by a popular Amsterdam radio station to sing a song against terrorism.

"If you sing that, it's like you choose the Dutch, not Muslims," said Yassine SB - the initials stand for his surname Sahsah Bahida - who is popular among Dutch North African youths like himself for his songs against racism.

"People will say 'you are a traitor,'" said the 20-year-old musician.

In the Netherlands, Somali-born Dutch politician Ayaan Hirsi Ali - who wrote the script for Van Gogh's movie "Submission" - went into hiding after receiving death threats for her condemnations of Islam. And in the United States, Syrian-born psychologist Wafa Sultan's calls for Islamic reform also earned her death threats.

But there is another reason for the silence - one that for many overrides all others.

Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

Many find the very idea of being asked or expected to denounce such acts "extremely offensive and insulting," said Khurshid Drabu, a senior member of the Muslim Council of Britain.

"I'm British," said Tuhina Ahmed, 24, a British-born Muslim in London whose family came from Gujarat in India. "I could have been blown up as well." Why, she asked, should she have to make a public statement to prove her objection to terrorism?

To many, the pressure to denounce acts of terror smacks of President Bush's warning that 'you are either with us or against us.'

"People and politicians say where are the Muslim people, why aren't they on the streets defending themselves? They say we should go into the streets and condemn what happened so they see us as good Muslims," said Karima Ramani, a 20-year-old Dutch born to an Algerian father and Moroccan mother. "I don't feel it's my duty. I'm not responsible for the death of Van Gogh."

Many European observers of Islamic communities agree.

"If they protest as a group of Muslims against these terrorist attacks, they take on an extra responsibility which is not theirs. So I can fully understand their reasons," said Ruud Peters, professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Amsterdam.

Yet the Internet is filled with blogs - mostly from Westerners but also by some Muslims - asking why Muslims are not expressing revulsion at the attacks. They see the silence as giving the terrorists strength.

"Isn't silence, justification, fear and hesitation in condemning terrorism, a factor in the encouragement of these individuals to appear on numerous platforms and satellite channels and claim that they represent a religion in the absence of active influential groups and institutions?" asked a blog entry by Ahmed Al-Rabei, a Kuwaiti journalist who works for London-based newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat.

"Isn't it a tragic crime to label the millions of European Muslims as guilty because of the rhetoric of a few professional lunatics, while the rest remain silent and wallow in self-pity? We have to admit that Islam has been hijacked particularly in European countries."

Muslim leaders say they and other Muslims have marched in a number of anti-terrorism rallies in Europe - the largest was held on the first anniversary of Madrid's 2004 bombings - and Muslims can't be expected to pour into the streets every day. They also say they have condemned the attacks in the media.

Surveys indicate a small but significant chunk of Europe's Muslim population supports the terrorists.

In a poll of British Muslims after the July 2005 suicide attacks on London's transport system, 6 percent thought the bombings were justified. Another 24 percent condemned the attacks but had some sympathy with the bombers' grievances.

Many Europeans blame the Continent's Muslim leadership, which they accuse of making ambiguous and qualified condemnations that give the impression they are making excuses for the bombers: grievances over the war in Iraq or the West's support for Israel.

"It's the leaders who are most responsible," said Rory Miller, senior lecturer of Mediterranean studies at King's College, London.

Europe's Muslims, who originate from 57 countries, differ in culture, language and even the strain of Islam they follow. They came at different periods and for different reasons. Some were born here and consider themselves as much French or British as they are Muslim.

Condemnations by most of the Muslims interviewed for this article had no strings attached.

Azahaf, 23, was among the thousands who marched in Amsterdam against Van Gogh's killing. "I demonstrated not for Van Gogh but for freedom to talk, to say what you want," he said.

Olivier Roy, a respected French scholar of Islam, says Muslim silence is a "classical psychology of immigrants" - wanting to be "normal" and become mainstream. "For them, integration means to be recognized as citizens. They don't want to be recognized for their specificity."

Sue Vogel, a psychologist who practices in Muslim-populated Bedford, in central England, said that after last year's bombings in London there was a great sense of guilt among some of her Muslim patients. "I had to do a lot of work to convince them that I saw them as people, rather than as Muslims," she said.

Lamia Hamdoun, 33, a teacher at a boys' school, emigrated to England from Tunisia 12 years ago. Last year's London bombings were so overwhelming for her, she says, that she prefers to remain invisible.

"When these incidents happen, I'm always scared. ... I shrink," said Hamdoun, who lives in a tiny apartment in north London with her Egyptian husband, Mohammed, and 9-month old-son, Sammy - whose name was chosen because it's common both in the Muslim world and the West.

She said she fears that her husband may be arrested in a police sweep just because of his looks or name. "I wish we could change his name so people don't know.

"I just don't want to think about it, I want to just get on with my life, deal with my personal problems. It's something I can't deal with."

Many of Europe's best-integrated Muslims say their lives are so far removed from those of the radicals that it simply has never occurred to them to protest.

Alia Kdeih, 50, came to Paris in 1977, at the height of a civil war in her native Lebanon. She got her degree from the Sorbonne, married a Lebanese and presents a cultural program on the Arabic service of French government-owned Radio Monte Carlo. Her elegant Western-decorated apartment in a middle-class Paris neighborhood has only a few flavors of Lebanon.

Kdeih said she will not go into the streets to condemn the attacks even though she's appalled by them - pointing out that her identity is not defined by Islam.

"It's not something I want to stress," she said. "I don't feel responsible for what happened even if they are Muslims."

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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1 posted on 06/24/2006 12:48:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The moslem silence is deafening


2 posted on 06/24/2006 12:49:33 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Cap Huff; Dog; Coop; AdmSmith; jmc1969; Straight Vermonter; Wiz; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; ...

fyi


3 posted on 06/24/2006 12:50:37 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

... because they are not on our side?


4 posted on 06/24/2006 12:50:46 PM PDT by Lexington Green (Medical Marijuana - ''Liberty can be delayed, but it cannot be denied.'')
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Oh and don't forget that its permissable in the eyes of Allah to lie to non-muslims. They are silent, because they agree with whats being done!


5 posted on 06/24/2006 12:51:30 PM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Their silence speaks volumes.


6 posted on 06/24/2006 12:52:23 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; All
I have been covering, ( Or, as Seamole calls it...-backhoe's pseudoblog--...-more- ) pseudoblogging, this issue for years, and I believe that we are in the opening stages of World War Four, and that the barbarians are already inside the gates. Let those who have eyes, see...

Islam, a Religion of Peace®? ( links, blogs, quips, quotes, aggravating pictures ) is located here- click the Picture, and scroll backwards:



7 posted on 06/24/2006 12:53:38 PM PDT by backhoe ("Say I'm Violent? I will *KILL* you!)
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To: surely_you_jest

Silence -- the fool's wisdom

-Spanish proverb


8 posted on 06/24/2006 12:54:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is just the public face of Islam. What a Muslim will say to your face and what they say behind your back are, of course, two different things.

Working with several of them has been an eye-opener. I actually heard these clowns attempting to justify attacks on Western nations. Then they ride around in their cars listening to Shakira and gangster rap.


9 posted on 06/24/2006 12:56:42 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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Silence is golden; becomes heavier; turns into lead


10 posted on 06/24/2006 12:56:43 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community.

This is the proof that the majority of Muslims support the violence.

11 posted on 06/24/2006 12:58:45 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: backhoe

I think a sign like this would make an excellent target for a smart bomb.

Don't want to get blown up? Don't hang around people carrying such signs.


12 posted on 06/24/2006 12:59:35 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This article has more contradictions than a liberal pro- American pep rally.

they denounce, the vast majority unequivocally, attacks against civilians in both Europe and the United States..."Van Gogh was a crazy man, but no one has the right to kill anyone who says bad things about the Quran," said Mohammed Azahaf, a 23-year-old student who runs a youth center in Amsterdam. "If you kill one, it's like killing the whole of mankind," he said, quoting a line from the Muslim holy book...

For some of the more than five dozen Muslims interviewed for this story in Amsterdam, Paris and London, it's a sense of shame, or even guilt, that innocents have been killed in the name of Islam; they say those feelings make them seek to be "invisible." For those lucky enough to have jobs, there is little time to protest or even write letters to newspapers.

Sorry, but this is complete, unequivocal drivel.

For others, there is fear of being branded anti-Islam in their communities.

Why would they be anti Islam if the vast majority agree with them?

Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community.

Why would he be ostracized if they agree with the sentiment?

When I listen to the complete nonsense spewed by Moslems "opposed to terror," the only thing I can conclude is that Islam is a very large sect for children that have no intention of ever growing up. I wonder if these people are fans of the Peter Pan story.

13 posted on 06/24/2006 1:07:34 PM PDT by stevem
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

All Muslims speak with forked tongues. Even the most "moderate" among them secretly applaud the slaughter of "infidels". They all want nothing less than the entire world
to be ruled by Islam. That's why in my view the only moderate
Muslim is a room-temperature Muslim.


14 posted on 06/24/2006 1:07:37 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: backhoe
Have you started one of your famous threads on the latest revelation (sedition ) by the NY Times? We have a lot of threads scattered about....I pulled some of them together here:

US defends secret money tracking

15 posted on 06/24/2006 1:08:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: beethovenfan

Supposedly Henry Kissinger remarked that a moderate muslim was a muslim out of ammunition.


16 posted on 06/24/2006 1:09:54 PM PDT by AdvisorB
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

The same reason we speak out against those who would have Iraq remain a dictatorship. The same reason we speak out against attacks on Muslims in the United States. The same reason that Americans speak out against the neo-Nazis and the KKK. Because they suck and we want them and the rest of the world to know what we think of them.

17 posted on 06/24/2006 1:11:39 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
In a poll of British Muslims after the July 2005 suicide attacks on London's transport system, 6 percent thought the bombings were justified. Another 24 percent condemned the attacks but had some sympathy with the bombers' grievances.
Not good enough. And if there is any bias/dishonesty from respondents, pollsters, or reporters, then it is even worse than claimed.

18 posted on 06/24/2006 1:11:47 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: CheyennePress

Shakira? What do you have against her? Her hips don't lie!


19 posted on 06/24/2006 1:12:39 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Mr.Smorch

The israeli govt said it best, while the palenstians were celebrating on the streets of ramallah on 9-11-01, israel had a day of mourning. ENOUGH SAID AND IF YOU DONT LIKE IT TOO BAD!!!


20 posted on 06/24/2006 1:13:47 PM PDT by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

They aren't on our side that's for sure.


21 posted on 06/24/2006 1:16:25 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why should Islamic terrorists and murderers speak up when Europeans are murdered?
The terrorists and murderers have long been supported by the highest levels of the EU
with greetings and money after every gout of fresh red blood flowed in the streets worldwide.
Solana in particular enjoyed licking spittle from the lips of his beloved Arafat the terrorist.


22 posted on 06/24/2006 1:19:21 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

OK, blockheads! If they don't represent you, how is anyone going to know unless you say that publicly? If you don't say it, the assumption must be made that they do represent you. Man, these people have a screwed up culture. Everything is someone else's fault.

Many find the very idea of being asked or expected to denounce such acts "extremely offensive and insulting," said Khurshid Drabu, a senior member of the Muslim Council of Britain.

Too damn bad. That's how we in our culture think. If you don't understand it, learn to understand it. If you don't like to live with it, move away. I have noticed when we do something Muzzles don't like, they jump up and down and scream. But when it is one of their own who does something 'they don't like', then they are totally silent. Odd, isn't it? And when we say, "Why?", they are insulted.

That is a pretty slick way to get around criticism. Just say, "I am insulted!" Sound like Democrats.

23 posted on 06/24/2006 1:19:34 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I came from Communist Cuba 40 years ago, after the missile crisis and after the Bay of Pigs (in which my family faught). I have assimilated and I work and I vote and I worship Jesus and I am teaching my children. I know the Cuban people endure and suffer and pray. (www.therealcuba.com) I see Hugo Chaves and I feel powerless though I am free and blessed.
I hope my FRiends might understand.


24 posted on 06/24/2006 1:23:19 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized beheaded by the Islamic community
25 posted on 06/24/2006 1:23:43 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You hear plenty from them when Muslims are killed.


26 posted on 06/24/2006 1:28:39 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"If you sing that, it's like you choose the Dutch, not Muslims," said Yassine SB - the initials stand for his surname Sahsah Bahida - who is popular among Dutch North African youths like himself for his songs against racism.

"People will say 'you are a traitor,'" said the 20-year-old musician. ...

Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

They can't even be honest within the same article. They have already stated that they will not speak out against the actions of terrorists and those who murder in the name of Islam because that would be choosing the west over Islam. So if they are not really muslims this statement makes no sense. No, the fact is, they do not speak up against terrorists because the unspoken secret they don't wish anyone to speak or point out is that the terrorists ARE representing the accurate side of the Quran and Islam. They are likely doing so in a more violent fashion than most muslims are happy with, but it is the truth.

I've spoken with many muslims over the last few years, some on this very topic, and the consistent theme is that they will not denounce the terrorists because they are not certain they are not acting in the will of allah.

27 posted on 06/24/2006 1:29:05 PM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Have you started one of your famous threads on the latest revelation (sedition ) by the NY Times? We have a lot of threads scattered about....I pulled some of them together here:

US defends secret money tracking

No, I haven't, and yours is so good I'll just link to it.

28 posted on 06/24/2006 1:31:12 PM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: RightWhale
"People and politicians say where are the Muslim people, why aren't they on the streets defending themselves? They say we should go into the streets and condemn what happened so they see us as good Muslims," said Karima Ramani, a 20-year-old Dutch born to an Algerian father and Moroccan mother. "I don't feel it's my duty. I'm not responsible for the death of Van Gogh.""

"...a true Muslim is always called to stay faithful to the teaching of the Qur'an and Muhammad, fighting for the cause of Allah in the spreading of Islam. Even nominal Muslims unconsciously or consciously through their religious payments are indirectly involved in the war (jihad) against non-Muslims. The large amount of money that the religious leaders collect from the Muslim community is invested for the raising up of true Muslims who are called to fight for the cause of Allah. The giving of money is unavoidable for the majority of Muslims."

--The Difference is The Son by Daniel Shayesteh, Iranian Qur'anic scholar -(he had memorized the entire Qur'an by age 9)-and politician who helped Khomeini return to power in 1978 and build his government.

He was arrested and sentenced to death for delivering a speech that broke one of the cardinal rules of Islam --criticizing Islamic leaders--when he said that the leadership should be held to account for the mass slaughter they were performing of Iranian citizens.

He was able to flee the country and eventually came to recognize the that Islam is a false cult, Muhammad was a false prophet and Allah is nothing more than Muhammad's stamp of approval not unlike a notary public.

He has since dedicated his life to trying to free Muslims, as well as others lost in darkness of untruth, from the bondage of its web of lies.

29 posted on 06/24/2006 1:31:29 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
This article is almost an all Muslim production. The author is SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI. Given the subject, it is understandable that European Muslims are quoted. But everyone who provides a European viewpoint is affiliated in some ways with Muslims:

Ruud Peters, professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Amsterdam.

Rory Miller, senior lecturer of Mediterranean studies at King's College, London.

Olivier Roy, a respected French scholar of Islam,

Sue Vogel, a psychologist who practices in Muslim-populated Bedford,

Lamia Hamdoun, 33, ... her Egyptian husband, Mohammed,

It reminds me of the TV News or "All in the Family" which have always been all liberal productions.
30 posted on 06/24/2006 1:33:06 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: ChessExpert

Thanks for the info!


31 posted on 06/24/2006 1:34:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: outofsalt

I have a high opinion of Cuban Americans. God bless.


32 posted on 06/24/2006 1:37:51 PM PDT by ChessExpert (MSM: America's one party press)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community

This is an honest answer and it tells us everything we need to know...

33 posted on 06/24/2006 1:41:42 PM PDT by Iscool (I spent MOST of my MONEY on cold beer and hot women...The REST, I just wasted ...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

Because if you don't people are going think you have tactic support for them ..... and eventually muslims are going to be exterminated in job lots if they don't fix their problems.

34 posted on 06/24/2006 1:43:08 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Europe and the rest of the world can have the World Cup; the USA just settle for World Domination.)
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To: ChessExpert

Thank You. Dominus vo bis cum


35 posted on 06/24/2006 1:44:53 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Why, then, the public silence?"

"Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community."

Not at all difficult to understand all of this. You make a remark, draw a cartoon, write a song and some really bad guys come and blow up your family and castrate you.

I have a business partnership, and we have a Muslim client. She took the work she did and showed it to members of her family. Their reaction both frightened and disturbed her because they interpreted it as took it to be critical to Islam--a fact that was and is furtherest from her mind.

I may not like the collective silence of the worldwide Muslim community, but, given the possibilities of harm to one's self, it is understandable.
36 posted on 06/24/2006 1:44:58 PM PDT by righttackle44 (The most dangerous weapon in the world is a Marine with his rifle and the American people behind him)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"I don't feel it's my duty. I'm not responsible for the death of Van Gogh."

Many European observers of Islamic communities agree.

"If they protest as a group of Muslims against these terrorist attacks, they take on an extra responsibility which is not theirs. So I can fully understand their reasons,"

This point of view dovetails nicely with the terrorists who hide amongst the "I don't want to get involved" muslims.

The only problem is that if they don't differentiate themselves then we, in order to protect ourselves, are justified in killing all of them rather than play their little shell game.

37 posted on 06/24/2006 1:48:34 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We must act today in order to preserve tomorrow......R.R)
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To: highlander_UW

---I've spoken with many muslims over the last few years, some on this very topic, and the consistent theme is that they will not denounce the terrorists because they are not certain they are not acting in the will of allah.---

Exactly! And many of them harbor the unspoken feeling that if they were better Muslims they too would joy the jihad.


38 posted on 06/24/2006 1:50:02 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: claudiustg

joy=join :^0


39 posted on 06/24/2006 1:52:47 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: claudiustg
Silence is consent.

The same people who condemn the Vatican for being silent during World War II make excuses for Muslims. But this is nothing new, when Hitler was questioned about the outcry the was to be expected when he began his systematic murder of the Jews, his response was "No one said anything about the Armenians." Referring to the Armenians who were slaughtered by the Turks the previous decade.

The West and the East have been silent too long.
40 posted on 06/24/2006 1:56:34 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Scheherezade is shilling for Sharia again.


41 posted on 06/24/2006 2:01:18 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Muslim kill Muslim who criticize Muslim and say "I only killed an infidel" and the rest of Muslim say "Allah be praised you are right". So Muslim being quite about killing infidels is self preservation.
42 posted on 06/24/2006 2:22:44 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: mockingbyrd

What do you think would happen if a group of Lutherans started blowing up Catholic churches or a group of Catholics started kidnapping folks and burning them at the stake for heresy? Would Lutherans or Catholics remain silent? You couldn't shut them up!

This whole article is nothing but a thread-bare apology. The problem is the Islamics haven't brought anything to the table in the modern world except a medieval, murderous religious psychosis that should been transformed or discarded centuries ago.


43 posted on 06/24/2006 2:23:17 PM PDT by claudiustg (¡En español, por favor!)
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To: claudiustg

It is a society without sanctifying grace, which is both heartbreaking and terrifying at the same time.


44 posted on 06/24/2006 2:34:19 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Europe , and indeed all the West and/or all non-muslim countries face a decision ; to coddle and cater to moslems and their ever growing demands for power within their newly adopted societies , or to retain all that is culturally precious and significant to themselves.
We cannot have it both ways. Islam will not ever co-exist for long with any other culture or religion . It never has and never will.
The World has reached a point now where the evil curse of growing islam must be discouraged and purged from the fabric of humanity itself .
45 posted on 06/24/2006 2:59:52 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
--Edmund Burke
46 posted on 06/24/2006 3:05:28 PM PDT by austinTparty
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Europe's Muslims have remained largely silent in the face of terrorist attacks that have killed 254 people in Madrid, London and Amsterdam. Europeans want to know why.

Because if they spoke out, it would be in favor of the attacks and even the Eurowennies would be pissed...

47 posted on 06/24/2006 3:11:37 PM PDT by Onelifetogive (Freerepublic - The website where "Freepers" is not in the spell checker dictionary...)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Very typical Muslim double-speak. They say they are against the violence, yet they don't want to feel pressured to publically assert that. Suuuurrree....

I suppose we are just supposed to somehow "know", through osmosis maybe, that they don't support beheadings of infidels.

Very convenient for them to give themselves an "out" so they don't have to publically take a stance. But that is typical of Muslims. They shirk personal responsibility at every turn and project blame back to the victims.

And so do liberals.


48 posted on 06/24/2006 3:16:40 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I support the troops and the mission.)
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To: RightWhale

I call BS.


49 posted on 06/24/2006 3:37:25 PM PDT by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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50 posted on 06/24/2006 3:42:03 PM PDT by F-117A (They say there is no such thing as an ex-Marine,.Murtha disproves that!!!)
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