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The Mythical "Wall of Separation": How a Misused Metaphor Changed Church–State Law . . .
The Heritage Foundation ^ | 6/23/06 | Daniel L. Dreisbach

Posted on 06/24/2006 2:00:27 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: PhillyRepublican; KEmom; Jim Noble; wagglebee
No man may become a law unto himself under the guise of freedom of religion.

Some of these liberal-tarians forget, it is THEY who advocate “separation of church and state.” Let's cram it right back down their throats...

It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made “separation of church and state” a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

Now, it ain't so palatable to them, is it? They are the ones here bashing the religious folks, now they want to claim some mercurial, ever changing definition of freedom of religion? I'm not going to live in their hell...

If I cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater, I don't think someone should be able to light one with a U.S. flag and call it “free speech.”

Of course, a lot of these traitors to the United States would also whine if we wanted an Amendment to ban homosexual marriage or flag burning, wouldn't they?

There are doctrinaire, myopic cultural Marxists whose only purpose here on FreeRepublic is their polemic need to do anything contrary to the Christians. You will find most of them on the homosexual issue threads, the evolution threads, drug threads, genetic engineering threads or any other issue involving a perversion of, or attack on the Judaic book of Genesis.

Feminazi and Gaystapo are very close to the reality of the situation.

Some of the Bozos out there can't get past that word “God,” so they would just piss the entire country away and join the enemies of America; all because they have this polemic need to bash the Christians and do everything in contravention to them. I say screw them and the filthy practices they want to live by. My children are not going to inherit their squalor if I can help it.

Of course, what a lot of the leftists and misguided, myopic liberal-tarians don't want to admit is that Christianity (and they do hate Christians) is just their politically correct proxy for their war against what is written in the book of Genesis.

They will jump up and down and snivel about the Ten Commandments and Christians; but the reminders that Moses was not a Christian, that Genesis and Exodus are Jewish literature really sticks in their craw.

41 posted on 06/24/2006 10:38:39 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: PhillyRepublican; KEmom; Jim Noble; wagglebee; epow
No man may become a law unto himself under the guise of freedom of religion.

Some of these liberal-tarians forget, it is THEY who advocate “separation of church and state.” Let's cram it right back down their throats...

It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made “separation of church and state” a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

Now, it ain't so palatable to them, is it? They are the ones here bashing the religious folks, now they want to claim some mercurial, ever changing definition of freedom of religion? I'm not going to live in their hell...

If I cannot yell “fire” in a crowded theater, I don't think someone should be able to light one with a U.S. flag and call it “free speech.”

Of course, a lot of these traitors to the United States would also whine if we wanted an Amendment to ban homosexual marriage or flag burning, wouldn't they?

There are doctrinaire, myopic cultural Marxists whose only purpose here on FreeRepublic is their polemic need to do anything contrary to the Christians. You will find most of them on the homosexual issue threads, the evolution threads, drug threads, genetic engineering threads or any other issue involving a perversion of, or attack on the Judaic book of Genesis.

Feminazi and Gaystapo are very close to the reality of the situation.

Some of the Bozos out there can't get past that word “God,” so they would just piss the entire country away and join the enemies of America; all because they have this polemic need to bash the Christians and do everything in contravention to them. I say screw them and the filthy practices they want to live by. My children are not going to inherit their squalor if I can help it.

Of course, what a lot of the leftists and misguided, myopic liberal-tarians don't want to admit is that Christianity (and they do hate Christians) is just their politically correct proxy for their war against what is written in the book of Genesis.

They will jump up and down and snivel about the Ten Commandments and Christians; but the reminders that Moses was not a Christian, that Genesis and Exodus are Jewish literature really sticks in their craw.

42 posted on 06/24/2006 10:40:02 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: wagglebee

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43 posted on 06/25/2006 2:25:42 AM PDT by Canedawg (In God We Trust)
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To: balrog666
It was landmark U.S. Supreme Court precedent Reynolds v. United States in 1878 that made “separation of church and state” a dubiously legitimate point of case law, but more importantly; it confirmed the Constitutionality in statutory regulation of marriage practices.

Now, it ain't so palatable to you, since you support homosexual marriage, is it?

You are the one here bashing the religious folks, now you want to claim some mercurial, ever changing definition of freedom of religion? I'm not going to live in your hell... You are a doctrinaire, myopic cultural Marxist whose only purpose here on FreeRepublic is your polemic need to do anything contrary to the Christians. You are found on the homosexual issue threads, the evolution threads, drug threads, genetic engineering threads or any other issue involving a perversion of, or attack on the Judaic book of Genesis.

You can't get past that word “God,” so you would just piss the entire country away and join the enemies of America; all because you have this polemic need to bash the Christians and do everything in contravention to them. I say screw you and the filthy practices you want to live by. My children are not going to inherit your squalor if I can help it.

44 posted on 06/25/2006 9:37:58 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: balrog666

No I didn't say that. I was QUOTING a SCOTUS opinion, you know the ones you said should stay. So it is YOU you has the "perfidious habit" of putting words in people's mouths.


45 posted on 06/25/2006 9:39:36 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

So now you retreat from your statements. I understand completely.


46 posted on 06/25/2006 10:37:23 AM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: balrog666
I NEVER made the statement, I quoted a Supreme Court decision from over 150 years ago. Are you truly as obtuse as you seem?
47 posted on 06/25/2006 10:39:57 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Fun, isn't it?
48 posted on 06/25/2006 10:43:49 AM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: wagglebee

bump


49 posted on 06/25/2006 10:45:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: wagglebee
"And the left knows that if people remain ignorant about what is in the Constitution, they will get away with it."

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The left and MANY jackasses right here at good ol Free Republic who think that Valedictorians can't mention God or Ten Commandments and Crosses can't be displayed.

50 posted on 06/25/2006 11:15:06 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Manic_Episode

You're right!


51 posted on 06/25/2006 11:16:02 AM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: FrankWoods
I would like to see the evidence that Thomas Jefferson endorsed the use of federal funds to build churches and to support Christian missionaries working among the Indians. Does anybody know what Driesbach was referring to?

His imagination.

53 posted on 06/25/2006 8:19:30 PM PDT by balrog666 (There is no freedom like knowledge, no slavery like ignorance. - Ali ibn Ali-Talib)
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To: FrankWoods
Look up Jefferson's treaty with the Kaskaskia Indians. Congress allocated Fed funds to pay for clergy and Churches to be built for the tribe.
55 posted on 06/28/2006 12:48:34 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: FrankWoods
Forgot to add the treaty was established around 1803 or '04. Some year around that time.
56 posted on 06/28/2006 12:52:44 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: FrankWoods

?? I didn't say anything about Rhode Island, which was founded on a quite different basis from most of the other original colonies.

http://www.undergodprocon.org/pop/statereligions.htm#Rhode%20Island

9 of the 13 original colonies had an established state religion during the early years of the USA. The other 4 had allowed some degree of state support of religion up until 1790-92. Thus, while it would be accurate to say that there was beginning to be some movement away from overt state sponsorship of Christianity by the early 1790s, it would be grossly inaccurate (though it's often implied by the "wall of separation" discussions) that ANYONE in the leadership circles of the founding generation understood the 1st Amendment to require states to sever all financial, institutional, and even verbal support for any form of religion whatsoever.


57 posted on 06/28/2006 2:34:58 PM PDT by Enchante (Keller & Sulzberger: Forget elections, WE are the self-appointed judges of everything)
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