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The Separation of Press and State
1440 KEYS AM Radio ^ | June 23, 2006 | Jenni Vinson Trejo

Posted on 06/24/2006 3:32:47 PM PDT by jennivinson

The Separation of Press and State By Jenni Vinson May 21, 2005

America was premised on the rule of law. America was also premised on the idea that the nation would fair well with an open, honest and unfettered Press. The nation would have an Executive, Legislative and Judicial branch of government at the National, State and local level and a Press that would bear witness to how these entities carried out their jobs.

What the Founding Fathers envisioned was a Press that was completely independent of politics and not beholden to such interests. For the most part, the Press has been a pain in the butt to the carriage of our government in America’s history. Even on various battlefields as they walked through events in them—but not of them. Our Founding Fathers drew a distinct line as they established a separation between Press and State. That line has been breached for decades now.

The national elite media could once deny that an alliance existed between them and the Democrat Party, but the kid gloves came off during the 2000 Presidential election. Too much was at stake to allow for George W. Bush to take the White House from Al Gore. The kid gloves have been off since then but the 2004 election found the media quite willing to put on other gloves—as they entered into the political ring ready to fight for John Kerry’s right to reside at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue along with all of them.

The Press was supposed to archive events as they happened. They were supposed to bear witness to events and inform the public. They are called before the Court of Public Opinion to testify—to bear witness. We have trusted them to adhere to a standard of ethics and morals that dictated that they stick to facts and keep their own ambitions out of the Who What Where When and Why of things.

They are American citizens and as such they are subject to having individuals rights, but just as when one joins the military, when one joins the Press, they are also held to a collective standard of rules that apply to that group. They were supposed to keep themselves unfettered by politics and yet over 80% of Journalists ally themselves with the Democrat Party. They violated the separation of Press and State as they have long wanted to BE THE STATE—to govern this nation through their own power and influence.

Now, we see that the Press willingly enters into the Court of Public Opinion and they offer testimony based on faulty, flimsy facts or sometimes testimony that is outright false. Dan Rather and his crew at 60 Minutes mired into a single story for five years. They went before the Court of Public Opinion days before a Presidential election in hopes that the story would stick and alter the election. Even though it was discovered that they relied on falsified documents for their grand story, the good folks at CBS insisted that it didn’t matter that they documents were fake—the story COULD BE REAL. In 1998, Michael Isikoff of Newsweek had a story about then President Bill Clinton’s illegal affair with an intern young enough to be his daughter. Isakoff had the story nailed, but Newsweek sat on the story because even though the story was fully documented, the story might NOT be REAL. So Matt Drudge of the Drudgereport took the story right out from under Newsweek.

Isikoff was the first get the story on Bill Clinton’s problems with both Paula Jones and then with Kathleen Willey, but again, Newsweek opted to sit on both these stories and again Matt Drudge took the stories right out from under them. Poor Michael Isikoff had been graced with so many accounts of historical importance, but he and his editors took such pains to ensure they would not harm their man and their party—that they lost out on credits.

But, Newsweek did not hesitate to run with a recent story about Qurans being flushed down toilets at Guantanamo as a horrifying insult to Muslim detainees. It was another Isikoff story, but this time, no one held back even though isikoff’s anonymous source simply said he had heard of this incident.

Even though the military account is that it was a Muslim detainee that attempted to flush the Quran to clog up his toilet and keep the guards busy, the Press was sure it was American soldiers who were insensitive, oppressive bruts. The Muslim world believed the American Press, rioted violently and 17 human beings lost their lives. After causing these deaths, Newsweek and their Press associates still insist that even though their source was wrong that they story is still TRUE because the American military behaved badly at Abu Gharib and were therefore capable of flushing a Quran down a toilet.

And so, Newsweek entered into the Court of Public Opinion and bore false testimony. It is indeed a slippery slope when lines are crossed and the separation of Press and State has been breached. It is not a Court of Judicial law, so we cannot hold the Press in Contempt of Court, but I put forth that we can clearly see that our elite media is in Contempt of Country.

In a transparent attempt to harm the Bush Administration and the American Military, Newsweek was all too willing to bear the brunt of serious consequences. Even after it was known that people had died, no one in the elite media seemed sorry. No one seemed altered and no one stepped up to take responsibility.

It was as if they were saying to us—“look—we stood in a crowded building and yelled fire because we felt we had a responsibility to do so. The building was made of stuff that COULD burn—so obviously—there was a danger and we reported it. It isn’t OUR fault that people panicked, stampeded and killed one another as they exited this obviously flammable building.

Therein lies the real story to all of this. People died and the elite Press knows they cannot be held accountable. It’s up to the Court of Public Opinion. It’s up to us to withhold our support from such magazines and newspapers and to send them a clear message— you are supposed to be the American Press, not simply an extension of the Democratic Party. You have violated the Separation of Press and State and you must step back or be replaced.

The Constitution lays out sketchy rights for the Press. When it comes to the release of Classified information during a time of war, the NY Times and their associates within the elite media are about to hauled before the Supreme Court. At that point, they'll find their rights refined and greatly curtailed. A reporter does have to devulge a source in certain cases and a reporter may well be tried for espionage in the near future.

I’m Jenni Vinson. The Separation of Press and State is My Opinion. Thank you for listening.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: democrats; elite; guantanamo; liberals; media; press
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1 posted on 06/24/2006 3:32:53 PM PDT by jennivinson
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To: jennivinson

This is a great article.


2 posted on 06/24/2006 3:40:06 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: jennivinson
"When it comes to the release of Classified information during a time of war, the NY Times and their associates within the elite media are about to (be) hauled before the Supreme Court. --- we'll see.

"a reporter may well be tried for espionage in the near future" --- I cannot wait.

3 posted on 06/24/2006 3:43:13 PM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: jennivinson

There can be more shilohs and gettysbergs


4 posted on 06/24/2006 3:47:56 PM PDT by wildcatf4f3 (Islam Schmislam blahblahblah, enough already!)
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To: jennivinson
What the Founding Fathers envisioned was a Press that was completely independent of politics and not beholden to such interests.

They naively thought the same thing about judges.
5 posted on 06/24/2006 3:48:25 PM PDT by rottndog (WOOF!!!!--Keep your "compassion" away from my wallet!)
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To: jennivinson

Bravo!!


6 posted on 06/24/2006 3:49:10 PM PDT by penelopesire
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To: jennivinson
the NY Times and their associates within the elite media are about to hauled before the Supreme Court.

I pray so - but ? source?

7 posted on 06/24/2006 3:50:59 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: jennivinson

Excellent article, jennivinson! BTTT!


8 posted on 06/24/2006 3:58:08 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: jennivinson
Great assessment! Thanks for the post.

I maintain that the MSM has failed in its Constitutional role. Yes. It is independent of the government. But is no longer an impartial entity.

The MSM aids and abets a specific political point of view. It is an advocate of and accessory to liberal-Democrat-socialist-communist activities. It does so to the exclusion of facts while trumpeting itself as highly ethical and balanced (another flawed but noble sounding concept).

In pursuing its liberal-Democrat-socialist-communist agenda the MSM skates perilously close to sedition and treason! It is well past time that its corporations and individuals be prosecuted for libel and espionage.

Freedom of the press does not equate to freedom from responsibility or accountability!
9 posted on 06/24/2006 3:59:33 PM PDT by DakotaGator (I despise presstitutes!)
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To: rottndog

>They naively thought the same thing about judges.<

And the Commies could see all this so clearly. Take over the schools and libraries, take over the press, take over the judiciary and they are to third base. Be careful, America - don't let 'em steal home!


10 posted on 06/24/2006 4:01:39 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge.)
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To: jennivinson
Damn, only is this a great piece, she also talk about jazz legend Sonny Rollins.

I often feel so isolated as one of the few conservative composer/performer/artists out there. A genuinely creative and intelligent person with and IQ of over 150 and creator of over 500 pieces of music (mostly jazz) hundreds of paintings and scads of essays and other written pieces.

I could find no way way of contacting her. Did I miss something? I would appreciate an email address for Jenni.

George
11 posted on 06/24/2006 4:03:22 PM PDT by George - the Other (Ever notice how Narrow-Minded atheists are?)
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To: jennivinson

Great article! Mega BUMP.


12 posted on 06/24/2006 4:05:31 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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To: jennivinson

Great article! Mega BUMP.


13 posted on 06/24/2006 4:05:44 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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To: maine-iac7
Editorial Supposition on my part sorry for that. I should have been more clear on it. I base it on the press's judicial loss on the question of divulging sources (in the Valerie Plame case).

The Bush administration would be amiss if they didn't call the MSM on the carpet on these leaks. The only thing that would possibly hold them back would be NOT wanting to erode the powers of the press. They've gone too far and really do need a Constitutional reality check.-- Jenni
14 posted on 06/24/2006 4:07:56 PM PDT by jennivinson
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To: George - the Other

Thanks George! Sonny Rollins is a hero of mine. I was blessed to be a part of an interview with him. It's on my webpage in it's entirety. ( http://www.jvteditorials.com )
He was in Manhattan the day of 9-11. He is a sage, kind man. We could all learn from him.
You can reach me at jvteditorials@stx.rr.com


15 posted on 06/24/2006 4:12:20 PM PDT by jennivinson
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To: beyond the sea

"This is a great article."

it sure is. but I'll bet that before the sunday talking-heads are through tomorrow we will hear the (new?) "Separation of Press and State" catchy phrase a bunch of times and with a mythical meaning, far afield from what this writer intended. Hell, by NEXT weekend it may well be morphed into yet another (imagined) "constitutional" principle....


16 posted on 06/24/2006 4:13:26 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: jennivinson
“What the Founding Fathers envisioned was a Press that was completely independent of politics and not beholden to such interests…”

No one with who had bothered to actually study late eighteenth and early nineteenth century US political history would be ignorant enough to make such a statement.

The press of the Revolutionary period and the early Republic was often highly partisan and usually strongly aligned with political faction, so much so that the printer’s workshop was often the local party headquarters.

See, for example "The Tyranny of Printers: Newspaper Politics in the Early American Republic (Jeffersonian America)"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0813920302/ref=ase_pasleybrothersco/104-7378546-4556717?s=books&v=glance&n=283155&tagActionCode=pasleybrothersco

for accounts of such early "dirty tricks" as Thomas Jefferson's involvement in an attempted "cover-up" when a scheme to manipulate newspaper coverage of Alexander Hamilton was exposed.

17 posted on 06/24/2006 4:14:58 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas (More of the same, only with more zeros at the end.)
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To: jennivinson; CGVet58; CasearianDaoist; headsonpikes; beyond the sea; E.G.C.; ...
America was also premised on the idea that the nation would fair well with an open, honest and unfettered Press.
The "honest" part is journalistic propaganda having no basis in the First Amendment. Nothing in the First Amendment gives any basis for the belief that journalism would be honest, and Jefferson and Hamilton sponsored newspapers in which to wage their partisan battles. That is the model for freedom of the press.

The problem is not tendentiousness in journalism; that was old in Jefferson's time. The problem is the naivete of the public which buys into the con that journalism is objective because journalism says it is objective. The other problem of journalism is government-licensed (obviously therefore unconstitutional) journalism. I have reference of course to broadcasting, which could not exist without censorship to enable licensees to be heard over long distances.

Journalism has been seized upon by broadcast licensees as an excuse for their existence as government-licensed, government-favored entities. The trouble was, of course, that objectivity is not readily defined (except in a retrospective view in the light of history). So what could broadcast journalism do but mimic unlicensed journalism? Hence we see broadcast journalism parroting The New York Times.

The conceit of journalistic "objectivity" is sustained not only by the need of broadcasting to propagandize about the "need" for "objectivity" which they provide (or at least make a pretense of providing while merely mimicking The Times) but by the willingness of journalists to go along and get along instead of competing for the respect of the public. If all go along, all get along and all are putatively "objective;" the alternative would be for persistent flame wars. Thus we see flame wars only between the institutions of "objective journalism" on the one hand and of "conservative talk radio" on the other.

Since objectivity is a virtue and it is arrogant to argue from the assumption that you have a virtue, frankly "conservative" commentators actually have the moral high ground in their positioning. For anyone who understands the difference between philosophy and sophistry, that is . . .

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate


18 posted on 06/24/2006 4:19:54 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: A_perfect_lady; Essie; ChessExpert; Brad from Tennessee; dakine; kjo

ping


19 posted on 06/24/2006 4:21:12 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"...The problem is not tendentiousness in journalism; that was old in Jefferson's time. The problem is the naivete of the public which buys into the con that journalism is objective because journalism says it is objective..."

Bingo!

The Fathers were wise beyond what mere men could hope for - your elegant statement hits the mark perfectly, and begs the obvious conclusion: only a well-informed citizenry whom are mindful of their nation can be the best guarantor of Freedom.

And that, my friend - as you and we know all too painfully well - is where can be found our Achilles Heel.

20 posted on 06/24/2006 4:31:41 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Check out the Sunday Morning Talking Heads Thread here tomorrow... it's the ONLY way I can stomach getting what was said... and by who.


21 posted on 06/24/2006 4:32:35 PM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: wildcatf4f3

"The Tree of Liberty Thirsts" ping.


22 posted on 06/24/2006 4:32:45 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

23 posted on 06/24/2006 4:35:55 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: DakotaGator

I disagree.

Nowhere in our Sacred Writings (Declaration of Independence & the Constitution) is it written or expected that the press be truthful or honest. The only control on a free press is exercised in the only place where it counts, and where these treasonous leftist bastards perpetually aim their whispers and dronings at.. in our minds.

Your last remarks are ably covered within the current pantheon of laws regarding espionage, aid and comfort to the enemy, and treason. All that is needed is the political will to pursue this.

It is We the People who are the best guarantor of freedom. Period.


24 posted on 06/24/2006 4:40:49 PM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: beyond the sea

I've had very little respect for the press since I was a young kid. I remember NBC starting fires in the gas tanks of GMC trucks and telling the people watching the *news* program that "trucks would blowup because of a design fault".


25 posted on 06/24/2006 5:09:31 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: jennivinson; conservatism_IS_compassion; LS
Great read jennivinson.

There's no real debate whether our Ministry of Information is tilted to the left; they are. cIc's point re competing media for much of our history is right on. The REAL question is, what happened to conservative media? And of course, why? And how..........

26 posted on 06/24/2006 5:33:53 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas
Well sir, although the founding fathers held the press in disdain- on that we agree,-- they saw it necessary to protect them. It may have been naive, but the press was meant to be free from partisan pressures so that the republic could ensure that one one created what they ran from-- A THRONE.

My point is that the Press helped create a democrat party throne and then siezed it for themselves!

I also concede that I have more to learn. I write editorials and bother to post them so that I can hear from folks like yourself. So thank you for the post.
27 posted on 06/24/2006 5:41:44 PM PDT by jennivinson
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To: beyond the sea
Great article. Our problem is Gonzales should be fired. The RATS don't seem to have any problem using the system, what in the heck is wrong with this lame brain. I thought anyone could indite a ham sandwich. Even if no conviction, the hell it would cause and the exposing of the leakers would be a worth the effort.
28 posted on 06/24/2006 6:01:25 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: jennivinson

Excellent, excellent read. All news media that participates in this espionage ought to have their dirty deeds exposed across the airwaves and any other source possible. Their treacherous behavior is causing the demise of America...


29 posted on 06/24/2006 6:02:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Logical me
Our problem is Gonzales should be fired. The RATS don't seem to have any problem using the system, what in the heck is wrong with this lame brain. I thought anyone could indite a ham sandwich. Even if no conviction, the hell it would cause and the exposing of the leakers would be a worth the effort.

Bears repeating

;o)

Our problem is Gonzales should be fired. The RATS don't seem to have any problem using the system, what in the heck is wrong with this lame brain. I thought anyone could indite a ham sandwich. Even if no conviction, the hell it would cause and the exposing of the leakers would be a worth the effort.

30 posted on 06/24/2006 6:15:26 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
True. The press today in many respects is tame compared to the type of press in the early days of the U.S. . there is one difference, however (IMHO): there was a time when politics stopped at the water's edge. That line has been crossed, and Americans are now being killed or in danger of being killed because of the 'journalism' we're seeing today.
The unfortunate part is that this irresponsible activity will potentially invite the heavy hand of government. Perhaps, for the short term, a good thing. In the long term, no way.
31 posted on 06/24/2006 8:20:59 PM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: jennivinson

Great piece! Get yourself on The O'Reilly Factor or Hannity and Colmes so more people can hear you!


32 posted on 06/24/2006 8:26:58 PM PDT by RedRover (Redeploy Murtha!)
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To: George - the Other; jennivinson

I completely missed the mention of Sonny Rollins?


33 posted on 06/24/2006 8:54:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: jennivinson

Great article. I do not refer to them as the "elite media" though. Instead I call them what they are, the enemy, as in ENEMEDIA.


34 posted on 06/24/2006 9:58:23 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Paperdoll
Take over the schools and libraries, take over the press, take over the judiciary and they are to third base. Be careful, America - don't let 'em steal home!

I played a lot of baseball in my life.

So, now you are right. They Communists/One-worlders are on third base with their control of the schools and nearly all opinion-forming apparatus in the country. They're taking an aggressive lead off third base down the third base line, and all they need is a suicide bunt or just a sacrifice fly to score the winning run. But the conservative pitcher has the ball and is ready to send a little 'heat' to the plate right under the batter's chin......... or right in his left ear.

I say take the Slimes to court. Keller and Pinch would have to testify and so would the reporters. The leakers in the bureaucracy must be exposed and someone needs prison.

As one

35 posted on 06/25/2006 1:43:32 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

excellent....


36 posted on 06/25/2006 1:52:38 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: CGVet58; conservatism_IS_compassion; jennivinson
The problem is the naivete of the public which buys into the con that journalism is objective because journalism says it is objective..."------------

****

One more time.

:-)

37 posted on 06/25/2006 1:55:42 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: jennivinson

Nicely done Jenni.


38 posted on 06/25/2006 1:57:16 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Striving to obtain liberal victim status.)
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To: ForGod'sSake; jennivinson; conservatism_IS_compassion; LS; M. Dodge Thomas
The REAL question is, what happened to conservative media? And of course, why? And how..........

Look back to whom was given the three television network licenses back when they were "offered".

Marxists are here, early on they figured out that they who control opinion-making WIN. They must be purged........... start with the New York Times, The Compost, and Time magazine.

39 posted on 06/25/2006 2:04:23 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: Logical me
I thought anyone could indite a ham sandwich. Even if no conviction, the hell it would cause and the exposing of the leakers would be a worth the effort.

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Yes, but the left would then scream, "Look at the Bush administration persecuting the Press." I say let 'em scream.

40 posted on 06/25/2006 2:07:28 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: Tench_Coxe

yep.....


41 posted on 06/25/2006 2:08:54 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: Just A Nobody
I do not refer to them as the "elite media" though. Instead I call them what they are, the enemy, as in ENEMEDIA

ENEMEDIA ................ that's a keeper.

;-)

42 posted on 06/25/2006 2:10:34 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


43 posted on 06/25/2006 3:06:50 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: jennivinson

Great article. A belated WELCOME ABOARD!

The separation of good, honest, freedom-loving, life-loving people individuals with bad, anti-truth, anti-freedom, anti-life, liars.

Great article. Thanks for writing it. Good people are connecting rapidly.


44 posted on 06/25/2006 3:33:16 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: beyond the sea
Marxists are here, early on they figured out that they who control opinion-making WIN. They must be purged........... start with the New York Times, The Compost, and Time magazine.
Purged? On what grounds? I hope that the Justice Department decides to take on the Times in its willingnes eagerness to increase the risk to our troops and ourselves by publishing secrets. But purged?

I note that whereas I mentioned the tenuous constitutional basis for broadcast licenses, you attack three print organs which do not depend on specific government licenses. Let's put legal pressure on their weak point! Delegitimate broadcasting which claims to be objective - and broadcasting of "polls" which presume to speak for the people - and you would markedly reduce the propaganda pressure on the middle class and the Republican Party which represents it.

Attacking print journalism is IMHO a grievious error on constitutional grounds; we want to assert that if anyone can speak, we can speak, if anyone can print, we can print - and if anyone can post their opinions on the Internet, we can post our opinions on the Internet.

Otherwise, what's the point?


45 posted on 06/25/2006 3:42:25 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: CGVet58
Nowhere in our Sacred Writings (Declaration of Independence & the Constitution) is it written or expected that the press be truthful or honest. The only control on a free press is exercised in the only place where it counts, and where these treasonous leftist bastards perpetually aim their whispers and dronings at.. in our minds.

Nowhere in these writings is it said that only a virtuous people could be free, but the FF believed it to be true. There will always be a gap between what the law requires and what common sense dictates. If knowledge of our government's deeds and words is indispensible to a free people, does it not follow that the quality of our government will be directly proportionate to the quality of journalism?

46 posted on 06/25/2006 4:24:17 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: CGVet58
It is We the People who are the best guarantor of freedom. Period.

I would edit that slightly...I would say We the People are the only guarantor of freedom.

47 posted on 06/25/2006 4:25:43 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: jennivinson

Don't sell yourself short; this is excellent commentary.


48 posted on 06/25/2006 4:26:43 AM PDT by gogeo (The /sarc tag is a form of training wheels for those unable to discern intellectual subtlety.)
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To: jennivinson

Thank you for posting your excellent piece here- your analogy here is perfect:

"It was as if they were saying to us—“look—we stood in a crowded building and yelled fire because we felt we had a responsibility to do so. The building was made of stuff that COULD burn—so obviously—there was a danger and we reported it. It isn’t OUR fault that people panicked, stampeded and killed one another as they exited this obviously flammable building..."


49 posted on 06/25/2006 4:29:27 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Tench_Coxe; CGVet58; PGalt; jennivinson; Paperdoll; Logical me
what's the point?

In short ........ the point is time seems short for a proper reaction to these security leaks and a seemingly conscious effort to weaken our war effort. If you do not feel that, see that, and understand that this country seems at and on an edge, ready to go one way or the other, there's little to be said to you.

Actions must be taken soon, imo, actions that we would not wish to be permanent but actions that are required nonetheless.

See post # 31 for more clarification.

50 posted on 06/25/2006 4:57:54 AM PDT by beyond the sea (Scientists Are Itching to Blame Poison Ivy's Effect on Global Warming)
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