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Murtha "war" record

Posted on 06/24/2006 6:53:43 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8

Well, as is ALWAYS the case, the truth comes out eventually (you'd think the democrats would learn this eventually). And as it turns out, Murtha isn't even as big a war hero as John Kerry, and John Kerry did't see or really do squat in his pathetic three months in Vietnam (You did know Kerry served in Vietnam right?). Got this from a friend of mine, a REAL Vietnam war vet. Don't know how much this has already been sent around and is known about already, and I didn't see an applicable thread on FR already, so I thought I'd post it since it's well worth it and important to know about Murtha. Give this a good read and then pass it around to everyone you know. Are there ANY "war heros" among the democrats who are REALLY war heros, and not just cowards who are rewriting history to make them look like they are. The real war heros don't brag about it to then give them some kind of standing to critique the war. Murtha is a coward and a nothing but a little weekend warrior pretending to be a tough war hero. Only two of his 37 years in the Marines was active duty time, and he wasn't in combat in Vietnam. Read on.

"Double checking press accuracy ...

What is a War Hero?

I've been listening to Congressmen Jack Murtha's negative comments about the war in Iraq for some months now. I've heard him repeatedly described as a "war hero". Thirty-seven years in the Marine Corps.

Wow! I visualize a burly ex-marine, his chest bedazzled with medals, the survivor of countless combats in Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War. A man who knows war and combat from the inside out. A man with the experience that allows him to see that the war in Iraq is hopeless and we should all quit and go home.

Although I've been turned off by Murtha's remarks, I never questioned his war hero status. Nor has our liberal press which is why Murtha has been getting away with his charade! Then the other day, bingo, I suddenly knew something was rotten in Denmark about Jack Murtha's war hero status. I've been bothered by his comments in the past but his latest remarks about Marines killing civilians in cold blood caught my attention. Whether this turns out to be true or not, something just didn't compute. That was the moment when I woke up and said, "Hey, I'm going to check this guy out." No real Marine who's "been there" would prejudge combat troops prior to the release of a military inquiry.

And what did I find. Did I find a man of vast operational experience with an extensive combat record? No. I found a man whom fellow congressman Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, silver star and three bronze stars, calls a liar and a phony. A man who came to Bailey crying and sobbing, thanking him for saving Murtha from the ethics committee (on Abscam-related charges) at which time he admitted to Bailey that his purple hearts weren't earned. A man with a couple of years of active duty and the rest of his 37 year career spent in the Marine Corps Reserve. A man with one year in Vietnam as a staff intelligence offer. A man who's no more been in combat or is a war hero than I am. Even John Kerry has more combat experience than Jack Murtha.

(I know flight attendants who have spent more time in Danang than either one of these jerks. ... Luke)

So what is a War Hero? Well at the bare minimum, a war hero would have to be somebody who's actually been in combat, somebody who's been in direct contact with the enemy over some extended period of time, somebody who's been shot at and/or had their life repeatedly threatened like infantry or the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force pilots who flew over Vietnam, somebody who has performed his or her duties in a heroic manner.

And what is Jack Murtha? Just one more scheming politician, a Democrat, sensing a change in the direction of the political winds. A man who volunteered for a year's duty in Vietnam as an intelligence officer so he could come home and run for congress i n 1968 as a war hero. Barf. Sound familiar? A man who's thinking about the next election and hoping he's on the right side when it comes.

As a citizen and as a congressman Murtha has every right to express his opinion on the Vietnam War - but not cloaked in the mantle of a Marine Corps war hero with vast experience in such matters. His comments are very destructive to the morale of our troops and have only one objective - to get reelected.

Regards, Dick

PS I also think Murtha's a bit unhinged."

TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: abscam; congressmanmurtha; cutandrun; iraq; jackmurtha; murtha; murthaeffah
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To: TexasPatriot8
Stolen Valor Act of 2005

41 posted on 06/24/2006 7:51:16 PM PDT by Calpernia (
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To: TexasPatriot8

But in a 1996 newspaper article, Fox questioned whether Murtha deserved his Purple Hearts, alleging that there was insufficient evidence of injuries and that Murtha was never confined to a hospital.

"Of course Congressman Saylor wanted to help if he could, but there was nothing in the service record to indicate the wounds were of any severity and the documents specifically indicated that next of kin was not notified in either instance," Fox told the Herald-Standard in 1996. "We were amazed that Mr. Murtha was asking for Purple Hearts for superficial lacerations," he added.

Murtha's accounts of his Vietnam War wounds may also conflict with the available U.S. Marine medical records obtained by the media.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on May 12, 2002, reported that "Marine Corps casualty records show that Murtha was injured in 'hostile' actions near Danang, Vietnam, on March 22, 1967, and May 7, 1967.

"In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation," the Post-Gazette reported.

But an Oct. 26, 1994, article in the Herald-Standard quoted Murtha as describing two different injuries.

"I was wounded in the arm with shrapnel from a bullet that hit the motor mount of a helicopter. In the other, my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down from a very few feet," Murtha told the Herald-Standard.

A June 1, 1967 report in the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat quoted a letter that the newspaper indicated was sent by Murtha to his wife that same year. The letter apparently detailed yet another version of how Murtha qualified for one of his Purple Hearts. According to the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat, Murtha's injuries involved his being "struck in the ankle" by a "shot that ricocheted off the helicopter."

Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question?By Marc Morano and Randy Hall? Staff ?January 13, 2006

42 posted on 06/24/2006 7:51:33 PM PDT by detch
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To: Joann37

The MSM calls any Democrat who served a "hero". (You'll never hear Ollie North called one.) Someone like Hannity or Rush needs to dig into this. Irey couldn't do it--even if she wanted to. Most people who serve don't end up in combat. Attacking Murtha could backfire and alienate vets who served in a similar, noncombat, capacity.

43 posted on 06/24/2006 7:54:46 PM PDT by RedRover (Redeploy Murtha!)
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To: Joann37
This is what has for Murtha: Military service: USMC (1952-55); USMC Reserves (1966-67); USMC (1966-67)

How does this translate to 40 years in the military?

So if I'm reading this correctly, he's actually been out of the military for almost 40 years!!!

Are they rubber-banding the "no such thing an EX-marine" to pretend he's 'still' a marine, therefore the longevity factor?

Sounds really strained but, then again, we are talking about democrats.

BUT the importent thing is to get RUSH, O'R, Ann C, FOX, etc all on this NOW.

Expose this rat - if we could shut him down, it could make a big difference to our troops - and to Iraqi citizens who, with cause, may be afraid to help us find terrorists because of the cut and run rhetoric of murtha (he doesn't even deserve a capitol on is own name) and his traitorous comrades in DC

44 posted on 06/24/2006 7:57:26 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: shalom aleichem
Here's with Murtha says in response on Huffington Post.

Here's what Wiki says about him

Here's the CNS story from Jan. 13

What Brent Bozell says

And it doesn't appear that he has signed SF 180 which would answer Baily's charges.

45 posted on 06/24/2006 7:57:44 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: deport

No he never went to Korea in the USMC.

46 posted on 06/24/2006 7:58:43 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: AbnSarge
I am most appreciative of your service.

That being said, I was a member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club -- and also did a stint at 7AF as ComSeventhFleet Joint Strike Coordinator as a young Commander, during the height of the Rolling Thunder effort in -1967 -68.

Bronze Stars --even with the "V" were given out like cracker jack boxes -- essentially good conduct medals for the field grade officers. The 0-6'ers were written up for LOM's.

How do I know? I wrote the damn citations by the dozens in my spare time at a collateral assignment.

I would bet my last hold-em dollar that Murtha fell well into that category --essentially being rewarded for surviving a tour --clap-free!

I guess by now you have figured out that I hold Murtha is total disdain. And, that is being really polite!

Kindest regards.
47 posted on 06/24/2006 7:59:46 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: Pukin Dog
If Irey is as smart as I think, she wont touch this. People need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE before making these accusations. If people on our side go off on Murtha and are not 100% accurate, it could be a total disaster. Irey should leave this alone until or unless complete verification through Murtha's records can be obtained.

Pukin Dog, I made the very same point on a separate thread last week, to the dismay of some. We should be much more concerned about what Murtha is doing now than what he might have done forty years ago. As I pointed out before, Benedict Arnold was a true war hero; fought bravely against the French, and rose to become one of Washington's best and most trusted generals. But that didn't stop him from committing treason by selling out to the British.

I don't care what Murtha did decades ago. Let's focus on what the damned traitor is doing now...

48 posted on 06/24/2006 8:00:04 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: TexasPatriot8

When did this guy,Murtha go to college?

49 posted on 06/24/2006 8:01:33 PM PDT by ardara
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To: TexasPatriot8

He was not awarded any Purple Hearts while in Vietnam in 66. He did "apply" for Purple Hearts in 1968 when he was in politics.

50 posted on 06/24/2006 8:02:11 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: TexasPatriot8
the Abscam bombshell that has been brought BACK to light

this is what we need to concentrate on - it was mentioned back when murtha first opened his traitorous mouth - that he was putting up a screen to protect himself from an investigation that was on the horizon.

The rationale was that if the republicans exposed him now it could be spun as retaliation and thus not to be believed.

Time to call this bluff - and I suspicion he became point man on this diatribe against our troops and the cut and run crappola as a waterboy for kerrykennedyreid and gang by accepting an offer he couldn't refuse. He carries the water, they cover for him.

51 posted on 06/24/2006 8:05:41 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: TexasPatriot8
He sucks...and is a DISGRACE TO THE MARINES
52 posted on 06/24/2006 8:08:38 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: U S Army EOD; TexasPatriot8

No he never went to Korea in the USMC.

My bad.... I knew he enlisted in 1952 but was relying on some blogs that he served in Korea. The internet is wonderful but false info spreads like wildfire at times.

Again my bad and I'll take my lashes with the wet noodle. Thanks for correcting my error. Murtha has problems and I think they'll continue to surface. There are at least three versions of his Purple Hearts but I'll give some ground on those that were where there in country where danger existed even in the corner cafe.

53 posted on 06/24/2006 8:14:13 PM PDT by deport
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To: U S Army EOD

Wiki says "He fought in the Korean War and earned the American Spirit Honor Medal."

54 posted on 06/24/2006 8:16:24 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: maine-iac7
What's really important about Muthra's role in Abscam is not that he was not indited but that the only reason he wasn't, was that he was holding out for MORE money.
55 posted on 06/24/2006 8:16:31 PM PDT by usmcobra (A single rogue Marine, yeah that can happen, but a whole Unit, only a liberal would believe that BS)
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To: maine-iac7

I wonder if the rest of the time is IRR (Individual Ready Reserves). If he did spend 37 years in the marines, he would have a military retirement. Has anyone check his financial statement to see if it list his miltary retirement?

56 posted on 06/24/2006 8:17:46 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: Tribune7

Wiki is bullshit.

57 posted on 06/24/2006 8:18:48 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Wasn't he in the frontlines in The Battle of Abscam?

58 posted on 06/24/2006 8:21:06 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (No.... wire .... hangers!)
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To: art_rocks
If he did spend 37 years in the marines, he would have a military retirement. Has anyone check his financial statement to see if it list his miltary retirement?

Good point!

59 posted on 06/24/2006 8:21:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
Not saying it is or isn't, but if he fought in Korea, or served in Korea we ought not say that he didn't.

And it would not be that hard for someone to check.

60 posted on 06/24/2006 8:22:42 PM PDT by Tribune7
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