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Murtha "war" record

Posted on 06/24/2006 6:53:43 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8

Well, as is ALWAYS the case, the truth comes out eventually (you'd think the democrats would learn this eventually). And as it turns out, Murtha isn't even as big a war hero as John Kerry, and John Kerry did't see or really do squat in his pathetic three months in Vietnam (You did know Kerry served in Vietnam right?). Got this from a friend of mine, a REAL Vietnam war vet. Don't know how much this has already been sent around and is known about already, and I didn't see an applicable thread on FR already, so I thought I'd post it since it's well worth it and important to know about Murtha. Give this a good read and then pass it around to everyone you know. Are there ANY "war heros" among the democrats who are REALLY war heros, and not just cowards who are rewriting history to make them look like they are. The real war heros don't brag about it to then give them some kind of standing to critique the war. Murtha is a coward and a nothing but a little weekend warrior pretending to be a tough war hero. Only two of his 37 years in the Marines was active duty time, and he wasn't in combat in Vietnam. Read on.

"Double checking press accuracy ...

What is a War Hero?

I've been listening to Congressmen Jack Murtha's negative comments about the war in Iraq for some months now. I've heard him repeatedly described as a "war hero". Thirty-seven years in the Marine Corps.

Wow! I visualize a burly ex-marine, his chest bedazzled with medals, the survivor of countless combats in Korea, Vietnam, and the Gulf War. A man who knows war and combat from the inside out. A man with the experience that allows him to see that the war in Iraq is hopeless and we should all quit and go home.

Although I've been turned off by Murtha's remarks, I never questioned his war hero status. Nor has our liberal press which is why Murtha has been getting away with his charade! Then the other day, bingo, I suddenly knew something was rotten in Denmark about Jack Murtha's war hero status. I've been bothered by his comments in the past but his latest remarks about Marines killing civilians in cold blood caught my attention. Whether this turns out to be true or not, something just didn't compute. That was the moment when I woke up and said, "Hey, I'm going to check this guy out." No real Marine who's "been there" would prejudge combat troops prior to the release of a military inquiry.

And what did I find. Did I find a man of vast operational experience with an extensive combat record? No. I found a man whom fellow congressman Don Bailey of Pennsylvania, silver star and three bronze stars, calls a liar and a phony. A man who came to Bailey crying and sobbing, thanking him for saving Murtha from the ethics committee (on Abscam-related charges) at which time he admitted to Bailey that his purple hearts weren't earned. A man with a couple of years of active duty and the rest of his 37 year career spent in the Marine Corps Reserve. A man with one year in Vietnam as a staff intelligence offer. A man who's no more been in combat or is a war hero than I am. Even John Kerry has more combat experience than Jack Murtha.

(I know flight attendants who have spent more time in Danang than either one of these jerks. ... Luke)

So what is a War Hero? Well at the bare minimum, a war hero would have to be somebody who's actually been in combat, somebody who's been in direct contact with the enemy over some extended period of time, somebody who's been shot at and/or had their life repeatedly threatened like infantry or the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, and Air Force pilots who flew over Vietnam, somebody who has performed his or her duties in a heroic manner.

And what is Jack Murtha? Just one more scheming politician, a Democrat, sensing a change in the direction of the political winds. A man who volunteered for a year's duty in Vietnam as an intelligence officer so he could come home and run for congress i n 1968 as a war hero. Barf. Sound familiar? A man who's thinking about the next election and hoping he's on the right side when it comes.

As a citizen and as a congressman Murtha has every right to express his opinion on the Vietnam War - but not cloaked in the mantle of a Marine Corps war hero with vast experience in such matters. His comments are very destructive to the morale of our troops and have only one objective - to get reelected.

Regards, Dick

PS I also think Murtha's a bit unhinged."


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1 posted on 06/24/2006 6:53:45 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8
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To: TexasPatriot8

BUMP!


2 posted on 06/24/2006 6:56:06 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: TexasPatriot8
"And what is Jack Murtha?"

A lying, liberal POS.

3 posted on 06/24/2006 6:57:12 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TexasPatriot8

BTTT

Dang Tex, I posted stuff weeks ago (duh, to another thread off topic, maybe Sunday Talk) ... I'll dig and post them here. Pray I find them.


4 posted on 06/24/2006 6:57:35 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: TexasPatriot8
A man with one year in Vietnam as a staff intelligence offer.

Now what exactly would Murtha have been doing over there in that role?

5 posted on 06/24/2006 6:58:12 PM PDT by Thebaddog (Labs Rules! Brilliant!)
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To: TexasPatriot8

REDEPLOY MURTHA!!!!


6 posted on 06/24/2006 6:59:01 PM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Swift Boat Bump!


7 posted on 06/24/2006 6:59:26 PM PDT by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: TheCrusader
"And what is Jack Murtha?"

A sh!tbird that turned on Marines.

8 posted on 06/24/2006 7:00:45 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: TheCrusader

Indeed!


9 posted on 06/24/2006 7:01:23 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: beethovenfan
"REDEPLOY MURTHA!!!!"

Great bumper sticker for Diane Irey's campaign.

10 posted on 06/24/2006 7:01:25 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: beethovenfan

LOL! I love it!


11 posted on 06/24/2006 7:02:23 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: Thebaddog

A man with one year in Vietnam as a staff intelligence offer.

**Now what exactly would Murtha have been doing over there in that role?***

Talking Martin Sheen into going upriver to terminate someone?


12 posted on 06/24/2006 7:02:33 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross in your yard, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: AliVeritas

Praying! The more info about the TRUE Murtha on the net the better. That's why I figured I should post that email I got from me friend. Another U.S. Congressman who is on the record saying Murtha admitted to him that his Purple Hearts are a fraud is pretty damning. I hope you find what you posted before and post it all here also! The more conservatives armed with facts to hammer liberals with the better! Wonder how many hundreds of thousands of people this information will reach over the weeks? :)


13 posted on 06/24/2006 7:03:28 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: AliVeritas
I posted stuff weeks ago (duh, to another thread off topic, maybe Sunday Talk) ... I'll dig and post them here.

Please ping me when you find it.  This has been nagging at me for some time but I didn't find anything authoritative via the net in my semi-random searches and I really want to nail this one down without equivocation.

I have always appreciated your posts and would really appreciate anything you can find.  Likewise, if you can find any specific 'keys' that you need help researching I volunteer my services.

If, as I suspect, this clown is a poser, I really want to help provide the ammunition to nail his traitorous ass.
 

14 posted on 06/24/2006 7:04:32 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: TexasPatriot8

Shoulda known it.

Typical lying Democrat phoney.


15 posted on 06/24/2006 7:04:33 PM PDT by Zman516 ("Allah" is Satan, actually.)
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To: AliVeritas; TexasPatriot8

This is what nndb.com has for Murtha:

Military service: USMC (1952-55); USMC Reserves (1966-67); USMC (1966-67)

So if I'm reading this correctly, he's actually been out of the military for almost 40 years!!!

Sorry, Murtha, but things have changed. Different enemy; different tactics.


16 posted on 06/24/2006 7:04:53 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: TexasPatriot8

Your buddy Dick does know that Jack Murtha enlisted in the Marine Corps in 1952 and served in Korea doesn't he. He then rose to a drill instructor and then onto OCS.

I have no use for his political views but I'd give him a tad more for his military than your bud Dick does.


17 posted on 06/24/2006 7:05:55 PM PDT by deport
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To: TexasPatriot8

Thank you for this info, this is rich!


18 posted on 06/24/2006 7:06:38 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I stuck around...)
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To: Thebaddog

I'd imagine maybe he was there telling John Effing Kerry the locations of VC alligned barrels of rice that he could toss grenades into, to add to his own Purple Heart collection.

Between this information, and others, and the Abscam bombshell that has been brought BACK to light, Murtha is toast.


19 posted on 06/24/2006 7:06:53 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: beethovenfan

Amen. Send him to the front lines in Iraq. I wonder which side he'd fight for?


20 posted on 06/24/2006 7:08:22 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American

I want one. In fact, send me a dozen.


21 posted on 06/24/2006 7:08:34 PM PDT by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

BTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!


22 posted on 06/24/2006 7:12:01 PM PDT by sweetiepiezer
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To: Joann37

What a crock. And Murtha claims to have been in the military for basically 37 years but he's really been in for three years, and just one year in Vietnam as a staff officer. And along with Congressman Don Bailey stating the fraud of Murtha's Purple Hearts, Murtha's whole justification for criticizing the war in Iraq because he's a "war veteran" is thin at best. If it was any thinner it would be one sided.


23 posted on 06/24/2006 7:14:28 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever
A sh!tbird that turned on Marines.

You've summarized my thoughts about Murtha rather succinctly. When I get started on these idiots I'm always afraid I'll step over the line.

Nam Vet

24 posted on 06/24/2006 7:15:36 PM PDT by Nam Vet (Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding liberals that stops bright ideas from penetrating.)
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To: Coop

ping


25 posted on 06/24/2006 7:16:40 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Hack Murtha's eyes.)
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To: deport
If he was as "active" in Korea as he was in Vietnam, I wouldn't lean much on those three years in Korea. If he was just a staff officer there too, what's it matter if he was there? That's not combat either. Four active duty years is a far cry from the 37 years he claims to have served in the military. And Congressman Bailey's comments about Abscam and Murtha admitting his Purple Hearts are a fraud are the most damning thing.

The guy Dick isn't the one that sent it to me, I got it from a friend Ron, who served several tours in Vietnam, NOT as some staff officer. He does a pretty thorough job of fact checking before sending things along. His son is in Iraq right now and has been most of the past two years.

Given the lies that have already been exposed about Murtha, and now this with Abscam and knowing he was a hairs bredth away from being indicted himself, I don't see why anyone should give him anything, especially since he went over to Vietnam ONLY to be a staff officer. The only bravery that took was to be brave enough to take the battery of shots to protect fromm malaria, etc. Anyone can do that.

26 posted on 06/24/2006 7:19:42 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: AliVeritas

Please ping me with the links to this info on Murtha. I'm sure Coop would also appreciate it as he is keeping track of Murtha for the Irey campaign. Thanks. Semper Fi


27 posted on 06/24/2006 7:20:03 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: TexasPatriot8

bttt


28 posted on 06/24/2006 7:22:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Theresawithanh

You're welcome. It was the first I had heard of it and didn't see anything like it on FR yet so I thought it might be a good idea to post it. I hope it helps to pop the ballons of the Murtha libs who prop him up as some great war hero. Him and John Kerry. With war heros like them, you sure don't have any room left for out and out treasonous traitors who admit to it.


29 posted on 06/24/2006 7:22:41 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

He enlisted in the Corp in 1952. He wasn't an officer in Korea. The guy has enough baggage without screwing with his military record.


30 posted on 06/24/2006 7:24:16 PM PDT by deport
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To: Nam Vet
I'm always afraid I'll step over the line.

You sir, have never stepped over the line.

31 posted on 06/24/2006 7:25:55 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: TexasPatriot8
Jack Murtha was an unindicted co-conspirator in the ABSCAM scandal-sting almost 30 years ago.

Does anyone really think he has gotten LESS sleazy over three decades?

32 posted on 06/24/2006 7:27:52 PM PDT by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: shalom aleichem

Will Coop send this to the Irey campaign to see if it could help her sink him? That would be great if it can! :)


33 posted on 06/24/2006 7:28:21 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: deport

Well, according to Congressman Bailey, Murtha did plenty of screwing with his own war record and doesn't need any help from anyone else.


34 posted on 06/24/2006 7:29:38 PM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: TheCrusader
"And what is Jack Murtha?"
A lying, liberal POS.


Murtha is a traitor. Dean is a traitor. The rest of the leaders of the DNC are traitors. The NY Slimes is a traitor.

This is why I call these people traitors:

Our Troops in Iraq are trying to build a relationship with the Iraqi people. We are asking them to be Police and Soldiers. We are asking them to Govern their own nation. We are asking them to show us where the bad guys are. Then Hack Murtha, Coward Dean, and a mess of other commie traitors stand up and yell, 'we need to pull out of Iraq!!! YEEEEHAAAAW!!!!'.

Well this makes the Iraqi Government, the Iraqi Police, the Iraqi Soldiers, and especially the Iraqi people who would like to show us where the bad guys are think twice about helping our Troops. Now, let's not forget that the terrorist threaten the Iraqi people by saying, 'if you work with the US we will kill your family'. Then when we ask the Iraqi people to help and the Iraqi people are hearing our politicians back home yelling, 'we need to pull out'. Who would you work with if you were in that situation?

The Iraqi people know that Al Quada in Iraq are not talking about pulling out. We all know that a US early withdraw is exactly what the terrorist in Iraq want. All good people know that if we withdraw now the terrorist will survive. And it don't take an genius to figure that out. Because of Murtha and Dean's words and actions, the Iraqi people will think twice about helping our Troops. The words of Murtha hurts our cause and helps the terrorist. That is treason. Therefore, Demorats like Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, and Murtha are traitors.

The NY Slimes disclosed how we track the money the terrorist are using. They also blew the listening to terrorist story. These WERE tools that we used to catch terrorist. The Times actions hurt our cause and help the terrorist. They are terrorist traitors.

If you have the damn freedom to act like a traitor then by inalienable rights, I should have the right to call you a frickin' traitor!
35 posted on 06/24/2006 7:35:04 PM PDT by do the dhue (I hope y'all will help bail me out of jail after I dot Hack Murtha's eyes.)
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To: TexasPatriot8
If Irey is as smart as I think, she wont touch this. People need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE before making these accusations. If people on our side go off on Murtha and are not 100% accurate, it could be a total disaster. Irey should leave this alone until or unless complete verification through Murtha's records can be obtained.
36 posted on 06/24/2006 7:35:19 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Dont be a Conservopussy! Defend Ann Coulter, you weenies!)
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To: TexasPatriot8

And contrast the MSM's scrutiny of Murtha with that of Bush, esp. during the last election. They even went after Bush's dental records, from what I remember.

Yet the "little" detail about Murtha being out of the Marines for 40 years escapes them, while they go on with this charade of his "war hero" status. Unbelievable.


37 posted on 06/24/2006 7:35:22 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: Henchster

http://foia.fbi.gov/foiaindex/abscam.htm


38 posted on 06/24/2006 7:38:04 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: Pukin Dog
If Irey is as smart as I think, she wont touch this. People need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE before making these accusations. If people on our side go off on Murtha and are not 100% accurate, it could be a total disaster. Irey should leave this alone until or unless complete verification through Murtha's records can be obtained.

That's good thinking, and good strategy. And, it bears repeating.

39 posted on 06/24/2006 7:44:17 PM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: TexasPatriot8

1) According to your interpretation, I only have about 5 1/2 years of service, including 4 years active Marine Corps and the year of combat duty in Iraq I just returned from. The 20 years as an infantryman in the Army National Guard just don't count? Don't underestimate the time, dedication, work and training reservists put into their careers, which cost a great deal of time away from home and family. I will also say without hesitation that my National Guard company operated at or above the level of most actve duty units we were around while in Iraq.

2) Murtha was also awarded the Bronze Star with V for Valor, and the Marines are notoriously chintzy about giving out awards. A good S2 does NOT spend all his time sitting behind a desk, by the way.

I have no use for Murtha, his politics, or what he has been doing lately, but there's plenty to attack him for without distorting his military record.


40 posted on 06/24/2006 7:47:46 PM PDT by AbnSarge
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To: TexasPatriot8

http://freerepublic.info/focus/f-news/1560750/posts
Stolen Valor Act of 2005


41 posted on 06/24/2006 7:51:16 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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But in a 1996 newspaper article, Fox questioned whether Murtha deserved his Purple Hearts, alleging that there was insufficient evidence of injuries and that Murtha was never confined to a hospital.

"Of course Congressman Saylor wanted to help if he could, but there was nothing in the service record to indicate the wounds were of any severity and the documents specifically indicated that next of kin was not notified in either instance," Fox told the Herald-Standard in 1996. "We were amazed that Mr. Murtha was asking for Purple Hearts for superficial lacerations," he added.

Murtha's accounts of his Vietnam War wounds may also conflict with the available U.S. Marine medical records obtained by the media.

The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on May 12, 2002, reported that "Marine Corps casualty records show that Murtha was injured in 'hostile' actions near Danang, Vietnam, on March 22, 1967, and May 7, 1967.

"In the first incident, his right cheek was lacerated, and in the second, he was lacerated above his left eye. Neither injury required evacuation," the Post-Gazette reported.

But an Oct. 26, 1994, article in the Herald-Standard quoted Murtha as describing two different injuries.

"I was wounded in the arm with shrapnel from a bullet that hit the motor mount of a helicopter. In the other, my knee was banged up and my arm was banged up when a helicopter was shot down from a very few feet," Murtha told the Herald-Standard.

A June 1, 1967 report in the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat quoted a letter that the newspaper indicated was sent by Murtha to his wife that same year. The letter apparently detailed yet another version of how Murtha qualified for one of his Purple Hearts. According to the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat, Murtha's injuries involved his being "struck in the ankle" by a "shot that ricocheted off the helicopter."

Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question?By Marc Morano and Randy Hall?CNSNews.com Staff ?January 13, 2006


42 posted on 06/24/2006 7:51:33 PM PDT by detch
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To: Joann37

The MSM calls any Democrat who served a "hero". (You'll never hear Ollie North called one.) Someone like Hannity or Rush needs to dig into this. Irey couldn't do it--even if she wanted to. Most people who serve don't end up in combat. Attacking Murtha could backfire and alienate vets who served in a similar, noncombat, capacity.


43 posted on 06/24/2006 7:54:46 PM PDT by RedRover (Redeploy Murtha!)
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To: Joann37
This is what nndb.com has for Murtha: Military service: USMC (1952-55); USMC Reserves (1966-67); USMC (1966-67)

How does this translate to 40 years in the military?

So if I'm reading this correctly, he's actually been out of the military for almost 40 years!!!

Are they rubber-banding the "no such thing an EX-marine" to pretend he's 'still' a marine, therefore the longevity factor?

Sounds really strained but, then again, we are talking about democrats.

BUT the importent thing is to get RUSH, O'R, Ann C, FOX, etc all on this NOW.

Expose this rat - if we could shut him down, it could make a big difference to our troops - and to Iraqi citizens who, with cause, may be afraid to help us find terrorists because of the cut and run rhetoric of murtha (he doesn't even deserve a capitol on is own name) and his traitorous comrades in DC

44 posted on 06/24/2006 7:57:26 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (LINCOLN: "...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time>")
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To: shalom aleichem
Here's with Murtha says in response on Huffington Post.

Here's what Wiki says about him

Here's the CNS story from Jan. 13

What Brent Bozell says

And it doesn't appear that he has signed SF 180 which would answer Baily's charges.

45 posted on 06/24/2006 7:57:44 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: deport

No he never went to Korea in the USMC.


46 posted on 06/24/2006 7:58:43 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: AbnSarge
I am most appreciative of your service.

That being said, I was a member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club -- and also did a stint at 7AF as ComSeventhFleet Joint Strike Coordinator as a young Commander, during the height of the Rolling Thunder effort in -1967 -68.

Bronze Stars --even with the "V" were given out like cracker jack boxes -- essentially good conduct medals for the field grade officers. The 0-6'ers were written up for LOM's.

How do I know? I wrote the damn citations by the dozens in my spare time at night...as a collateral assignment.

I would bet my last hold-em dollar that Murtha fell well into that category --essentially being rewarded for surviving a tour --clap-free!

I guess by now you have figured out that I hold Murtha is total disdain. And, that is being really polite!

Kindest regards.
47 posted on 06/24/2006 7:59:46 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: Pukin Dog
If Irey is as smart as I think, she wont touch this. People need to be ABSOLUTELY SURE before making these accusations. If people on our side go off on Murtha and are not 100% accurate, it could be a total disaster. Irey should leave this alone until or unless complete verification through Murtha's records can be obtained.

Pukin Dog, I made the very same point on a separate thread last week, to the dismay of some. We should be much more concerned about what Murtha is doing now than what he might have done forty years ago. As I pointed out before, Benedict Arnold was a true war hero; fought bravely against the French, and rose to become one of Washington's best and most trusted generals. But that didn't stop him from committing treason by selling out to the British.

I don't care what Murtha did decades ago. Let's focus on what the damned traitor is doing now...

48 posted on 06/24/2006 8:00:04 PM PDT by Always A Marine
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To: TexasPatriot8

When did this guy,Murtha go to college?


49 posted on 06/24/2006 8:01:33 PM PDT by ardara
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To: TexasPatriot8

He was not awarded any Purple Hearts while in Vietnam in 66. He did "apply" for Purple Hearts in 1968 when he was in politics.


50 posted on 06/24/2006 8:02:11 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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