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It's time for a North American Union
Fort Worth Star Telegram ^ | Jun. 11, 2006 | By STEVEN HILL Special to The Washington Post

Posted on 06/25/2006 6:41:38 AM PDT by baseball_fan

WASHINGTON - Immigration issues are always ripe for demagoguery, particularly in an election year. But the solution to the very real problems along the U.S.-Mexican border can be found, ironically, in that other part of the world that demagogues love to ridicule: old Europe.

Two years ago, the European Union admitted 10 new members. Like Mexico, all of these nations were poor, some of them fairly backward and most recently ravaged by war and dictatorship.

The leaders of the European Union wisely created policies for fostering regional economic and political integration that make the North American Free Trade Agreement "look timid and halfhearted by comparison," according to Bernd Westphal, consul general of Germany.

Europe realized it had to prevent a "giant sucking sound" of businesses and jobs relocating from the 15 wealthier nations to the 10 poorer ones. It also had to foster prosperity and the spread of a middle class and prevent an influx of poor workers to the richer nations.

So for starters, it gave the new states billions in subsidies to help construct schools, roads, telecommunications and housing, thus making these nations more attractive for business investment. It was expensive, but the result has been a larger economic union in which a rising tide floats all boats.

In return, the 10 poorer nations had to agree to raise their standards on the environment, labor law, health and safety -- and more.

Worker migration is regulated. Immigrants will be carefully integrated so as to cause the least disruption to the developed economies, with the goal of having open borders down the road.

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after discovering a new supercorridor would be coming near to where i live (http://www.nascocorridor.com/, we do have increasing traffic gridlock on I35), i looked further into it. this article appears to suggests a larger rationale and plan, about which Mr. Jerome R. Corsi has raised important concerns in a series of articles (search for "North American Union" on freerepublic).

immigration, trade, competitiveness, security, employment, national identity all seem to be inter-related. the public debate appears to be just beginnning rather than being signed off on with a relatively quick immigration bill. getting this right has enormous implications.

1 posted on 06/25/2006 6:41:43 AM PDT by baseball_fan
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To: baseball_fan

Our laws will have to mesh and we're outnumbered.


2 posted on 06/25/2006 6:43:43 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: cripplecreek
Our laws will have to mesh and we're outnumbered.

We've got all the money and all the guns. We'll win.

3 posted on 06/25/2006 6:45:11 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: baseball_fan
So for starters, it gave the new states billions in subsidies...
I guess all that money the illegal aliens have been sending home for years doesn't count.
Oh yeah, ordinary people got all of that money, not a government/state. Never mind.
4 posted on 06/25/2006 6:48:08 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: baseball_fan

Well here it comes folks...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645455/posts


The jackasses in DC think they'll "solve" the immigration "problem" by surrendering our borders and Constitution.....


5 posted on 06/25/2006 6:49:02 AM PDT by mo
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To: cripplecreek

Mexico has a population around 110,000,000. Canada has a population of 35,000,000 or so (round numbers). We have a population of 295,000,000 (Source for all three: http://www.cia.gov )

How do you figure we are outnumbered?


6 posted on 06/25/2006 6:49:52 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: baseball_fan
Old Europe is looking spry, while the United States is looking clumsy and stuck to the flypaper of old ideas.

I'm sorry. What is the inflation and unemployment rate across Europe? Wasn't there a riot in France over Socialistic job security recently? This "reporter" has Cranial-Rectal Inversion.

7 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:22 AM PDT by edpc
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To: baseball_fan
Slipped my mind...
Immigration issues are always ripe for demagoguery...
And your own demagoguery, in an attempt to persuade (?), is evident in your article.
Secondly, the EU isn't all it's being made out to be, though you'll rarely hear about that in American newsrooms.
I personally don't want to end up like that.
8 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:56 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: baseball_fan

This is great: And the only thing we will have to give up is our severeignty. Our identity as a nation.


9 posted on 06/25/2006 6:52:42 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Canada + Mexico = 2

USA = 1

You people are talking about physical altercations (war) I'm talking about the fact that our government makes deals with those countries then makes laws to force us into compliance. With an American union, our constitution won't mean squat.


10 posted on 06/25/2006 6:54:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: baseball_fan
the result has been a larger economic union in which a rising tide floats all boats.

Platitudes and cliches don't make an economy work. This saying is all peaches and cream until you realize the other "boats" are in sad shape with inept captains and crew.

11 posted on 06/25/2006 6:55:13 AM PDT by edpc
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To: baseball_fan

It's time for a 51st state or Mexico to join the European Union.


12 posted on 06/25/2006 6:56:07 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: baseball_fan

"Two years ago, the European Union admitted 10 new members. Like Mexico, all of these nations were poor, some of them fairly backward and most recently ravaged by war and dictatorship."

The difference is that 10 new members are poor mostly because of historical events like WW2 and next almost a half century of communism. Anyway Slovenia and Czech Republic have already GDP per capita higher than Portugal and almost as high as Greece. Hungary is not far behind and the rest need a decade at worst to join "the first world" club. Maybe I am wrong, but in case of Mexico the problem seems to be a little deeper.

"Immigrants will be carefully integrated so as to cause the least disruption to the developed economies"

In Eu ? In EU internal immigrants may do whatever they want.


13 posted on 06/25/2006 6:56:36 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: baseball_fan

http://www.unitednorthamerica.org

already been discussed but there it is Canada directed.

Perhaps Mexico should be part of the USA ala puerto rico.

The problem is the animalistic corruption of mexican society will take generations to erase.


14 posted on 06/25/2006 6:57:41 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: baseball_fan
The missing piece in this adolescent daydream is that the EU has essentially failed to do all those wonderful things this einstein credits them for.

If the "NAU" is as successful as the EU, we will all be up the creek, having permanently squandered the American birthright of individual liberty for a bucket of socialist dross.

15 posted on 06/25/2006 6:57:57 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (National Youtyh conference on the Atom)
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To: edpc
What is the inflation and unemployment rate across Europe? Wasn't there a riot in France over Socialistic job security recently?

Facts are such inconvenient things for globalists. Which is why they tend to ignore them.

16 posted on 06/25/2006 6:58:48 AM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: Personal Responsibility
How do you figure we are outnumbered?

People with a pessimistic loser's attitude never can calculate properly.

17 posted on 06/25/2006 7:00:36 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: philman_36

The EU is a bad model to follow. It is becoming the Soviet Union without the concentration camps. Imagine the relatively dynamic countries of North America moving to a centrally planned economy with social legislation by mostly unlected "experts" (special intrest groups). The proposed North American Union would soon become as poor and corrupt as Mexico with the worst nanny-statism of the Canadian Liberals. The socialists see this as an opportunity to get over 300 million people that they can mold together in a giant social experiment.


18 posted on 06/25/2006 7:00:52 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: mo

The jackasses in DC think they'll "solve" the immigration "problem" by surrendering our borders and Constitution.....

If that isn't treason then I have no idea what the word means.


19 posted on 06/25/2006 7:03:04 AM PDT by freedomfiter2
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To: AmericaUnited
People with a pessimistic loser's attitude never can calculate properly.

Boy is that ever true. I have yet to clash with a protectionist who can do simple division.

20 posted on 06/25/2006 7:03:38 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Numbers don't have a damn thing to do about it, Personal Responsibility. This is the United States of America, not the North American Union.


21 posted on 06/25/2006 7:04:48 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
The socialists see this as an opportunity to get over 300 million people that they can mold together in a giant social experiment.
History shows that they've already performed their social experiment several times.
Headstones mark their testing grounds.
22 posted on 06/25/2006 7:05:38 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: baseball_fan

Mr. Hill should put down the pipe.


23 posted on 06/25/2006 7:06:16 AM PDT by toddlintown
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To: sgtbono2002
And the only thing we will have to give up is our severeignty. Our identity as a nation.

That's it in a nutshell. Only that pesky little thing we call sovereignty.

24 posted on 06/25/2006 7:06:42 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: freedomfiter2

Depends who they're representing...ya see. When they DON'T move this agenda forward, they're being traitorous to the K Street crowd that bought them their seats.....


25 posted on 06/25/2006 7:07:27 AM PDT by mo
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To: Personal Responsibility

"Mexico has a population around 110,000,000. Canada has a population of 35,000,000 or so (round numbers). We have a population of 295,000,000 (Source for all three: http://www.cia.gov )

How do you figure we are outnumbered?"

If by "we" you mean conservatives, then we would be vastly outnumbered by the left. We would become a liberal, fascist police state overnight. Welcome to the Brave New World.


26 posted on 06/25/2006 7:09:35 AM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: baseball_fan; All
Here's what I could find quickly:

North America’s SuperCorridor {Immigration Reform will never happen}
 
The Death of Three Nations--good news for Mexicans, but very bad news for everyone else.
 
Tancredo confronts 'super-state' effort--"Tancredo confronts
'super-state' effort
Demands full disclosure of White House work with Mexico, Canada"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50657
 
The North American Union "matrix"
 
U.S., Mexico, Canada officials laud ties
 
The North American Union "matrix"--Back in 2004, I published The Real Matrix, in seven parts (read them here).

THE REAL MATRIX
By Steven Yates

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Part 5
Part 6
Part 7

And then: US divided by superhighway plan--A MASSIVE road four football fields wide and running from Mexico to Canada through the heartland of the United States...
 
The North American Union is on its way.
It's all spelled out in this report:

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf
 
North American Leaders Unveil Security and Prosperity Partnership (North American Superstate)
 
Related:

Political Correctness — The Revenge of Marxism Fjordman: The Revenge of Marxism

http://sixthcolumn.blogspot.com/2006/06/trans-texas-corridor-of-north-american.html

Trans-Texas Corridor of the North American Union
Check out this WND report by Jerome Corsi that describes the route for the 12-lane highway that is a part of the North American Union...The NAFTA Super Corridor will be constructed largely by private companies that intend to operate the new I-35 as a toll road. North America's SuperCorridor Coalition Inc., or NASCO...

Corsi files FOIA request to expose plans for 'North American union'

27 posted on 06/25/2006 7:14:28 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: SVTCobra03

Just wait, Bush's one world order supporters will arrive and show us the error of our way for not supporting his dream.


28 posted on 06/25/2006 7:15:33 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: baseball_fan

Someone should check the author's income. Bet you will find
something from the "One World" group.
Oh BTW--If this goes through, he is going to have to learn Spanish (Mexico) and French(Ontario, Canada)


29 posted on 06/25/2006 7:16:29 AM PDT by radar101 (The two hallmarks of Liberals: Fantasy and Hypocrisy)
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To: cripplecreek
We are not outnumbered. Our population just hit 300,000,000 and Mexico and Canada put together don't even equal half of that.

When you look at it in terms of wealth (GDP per capita), it isn't even a contest. The United States is the big gorilla on this hemisphere and nobody else even comes close to us.

Guys, we have to open our minds a little and consider the benefits of uniting at least North America into a single economic bloc. There are vast amounts of natural resources and potential wealth in both Canada and Mexico that will ensure that the United States is the powerhouse of the world for generations to come. It would be stupid of us to cast this all aside in the name of "sovereinity"

And who says we have to give up any sovereinity at all? Our intent should be to integrate Canada and Mexico into the United States by admitting them as states. Naturally, they would have to go through a period of territory status and they would have to adopt the U.S. Constitution and meet all other requirements before being admitted.

Now Canada is a lot closer to this reality than Mexico. We could conceivably begin admitting Canadian provinces as states within 10-20 years if we start the process now. Mexico would obviously take a lot longer as they are more of a mess. Also, don't forget the Central American countries such as El Salvador and Panama as well as islands such as Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic. All of these should eventually become U.S. states so that the USA stretches from the North Pole to the Panama canal.

In the meantime, we need to integrate our economies to a certain extent so that the other countries in North America can begin to prosper and put themselves in position to become U.S. states eventually.

I'm an imperialist at heart and I do not believe the United States should ever stop expanding and admitting states.

30 posted on 06/25/2006 7:20:39 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: SVTCobra03

If I may add my .02:

I think it's the belief of MOST of the folks on this board that, if it came right down to it, there are enough conservatives in this country...ARMED conservatives...who would take to the streets and start American Revolution Pt. 2 if something like that ever happened.

Now, am I advocating going out and shooting fellow Americans? By no means! What I _am_ saying is this: In order to maintain our nation's sovereignty, if it comes down to it, that in a WAR you have to do what you have to do. If the gov't. keeps going the way it appars they're going, then war is inevitable.


31 posted on 06/25/2006 7:23:15 AM PDT by hoagy62 (America: SUPREME!)
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To: radar101

The big difference is that counries applied for EU membership because they wanted to join. Neither Canada or Mexico want to join the US. And we don't want them.


32 posted on 06/25/2006 7:23:42 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: SamAdams76
Our intent should be to integrate Canada and Mexico into the United States by admitting them as states.

That's a horrible idea. Do you know how much it would cost to bring Mexico up to a decent level of income per person? It would dwarf the money West Germany spent on East Germany. And the East Germans spoke the same language and were educated.

Making Mexico a state would quickly bankrupt us. No thanks!

33 posted on 06/25/2006 7:24:36 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: SVTCobra03

Oh..yeah..ideologically we would certainly be outnumbered if we partner up with any country besides Austrailia!


34 posted on 06/25/2006 7:28:40 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: baseball_fan

Another article in the ongoing campaign of the elites to avoid facing the reality that Mexico is a failed state and will have to stop exporting its poverty to us and deal with ita problems of corruption and dictatorial tendencies before any of these grandiose schemes have even a prayer of working.


35 posted on 06/25/2006 7:31:02 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: baseball_fan
A bit on down in the article:

It would start with massive subsidies from the United States to Mexico, a Tex-Mex Marshall Plan, with the goal of decreasing disparities on the Mexican side of the border and fostering a climate riper for investment.

I don't want to dump U.S. taxpayer money into improving Mexico.

Such entitlements haven't worked in the U.S., and a "Great Society II" program south of the border strikes me as socialist nonsense of the first water.

36 posted on 06/25/2006 7:31:24 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: hinckley buzzard

> The missing piece in this adolescent daydream is that the EU has essentially failed to do all those wonderful things this einstein credits them for.

Hasn't been sucessful everywhere yet - plus I'm far from cheering for the bureaucrat NWO they try installing over our heads - but Ireland's a good example that the development policy actually works.


37 posted on 06/25/2006 7:31:33 AM PDT by Schweinhund
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To: pbrown

I agree with that, and agree that it destroys our sovreignty. This would also put the socialists in the south and loony lefties in the north on an even playing field to determine what happens in between. I think I dislike that the most.

I was just pointing out that we are not "outnumbered" by Can / Mex population wise. The only "We" that would be outnumbered is us, the FR inhabitants.


38 posted on 06/25/2006 7:32:37 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: cripplecreek

? At one time, we were the greatest nation in the world. Now we have to mesh? Uh, NO, and HELL NO. Why the heck are you giving up?


39 posted on 06/25/2006 7:33:42 AM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Schweinhund
but Ireland's a good example that the development policy actually works.

Isn't Ireland's success due to their very low tax rates? Rates which the rest of the EU wants them to hike.

40 posted on 06/25/2006 7:34:41 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists so bad at math?)
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To: baseball_fan
Hmmmm so Stephen Hill(and the EU) is/are a globalists?...
True... The North American Union is a globalist concept..
The World Republic is not far off.. which will be morphed then into a World Democracy.. the future source of World Socialism.. Which was the main objective of socialism all along.. Amazing that today MOST are ignorant of the fact communism IS socialism..
41 posted on 06/25/2006 7:35:03 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Not only do we out number them, we need to deport all these guys.

Why are you all so willing to bend. Our forefathers are rolling in the graves. This nation was not built by a bunch of pansies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 06/25/2006 7:35:48 AM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: SamAdams76
"Our intent should be to integrate Canada and Mexico into the United States by admitting them as states. Naturally, they would have to go through a period of territory status and they would have to adopt the U.S. Constitution and meet all other requirements before being admitted."

If you've been reading some of the other threads on this ( the Jerome Corsi threads which have gotten the tin foil hat treatment ), what you are suggesting is NOT what is intended. What is intended is several extra-constitutional bodies that circumvent the pesky Bill of Rights and other inconvenient protections (things that have kept the US from turning into a 3rd world s***hole or a Socialist basket case ).

Even if the statehood process were followed, do you seriously believe the 'powers that be' what want to follow the historical process? I don't. I think they'll queer it to achieve the same goals as what is being discussed on the Corsi threads.

No way. I won't live as an economic slave.

43 posted on 06/25/2006 7:39:40 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: television is just wrong

I'm not giving up, I'm only stating the fact that we're outnumbered when it comes to the laws that would need to be imposed.


44 posted on 06/25/2006 7:39:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: cripplecreek

People need to wake up and start voting these silly bags of wind out of office...Otherwise it will be over.


45 posted on 06/25/2006 7:43:01 AM PDT by television is just wrong (our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
We've got all the money and all the guns. We'll win.

The only thing that counts is what our leaders decide to do with our money and our guns. And they are deciding in their own best interest, not ours. We just fund what they want.

46 posted on 06/25/2006 7:43:37 AM PDT by KittyKares
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To: Personal Responsibility
This NAU, crap makes my blood boil. It would be the death knell of our great country if they pull this travesty off.

Would Americans then say, enough is enough.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —

This would not be a light or transient cause, we've been shown by our forefathers how to handle an out of control government that no longer follows the wishes of it's citizens.

47 posted on 06/25/2006 7:44:50 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: baseball_fan
Mexico, is part of the "old world"...maybe the EU, would like to adopt Mexico, and send billions of tax dollars over to rebuild...
48 posted on 06/25/2006 7:45:39 AM PDT by thinking
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To: hoagy62
You are correct in your assessment that"...there are enough conservatives in this country...ARMED conservatives...who would take to the streets and start American Revolution Pt. 2..." IFit were to happen in a single massive stroke. However, the NAU is being brought about through much smaller, seemingly benign, separate developments such as NAFTA to illegal immigrant amnesty to the supper corridor. (TFH conspiracy theory alert!)
49 posted on 06/25/2006 7:46:14 AM PDT by VRWCtaz (Conservatism is about promoting opportunity and Liberalism is about controlling outcome.)
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To: baseball_fan

Europeans can throw away their national sovereignty and cultures if they wish; The United States is too a priceless beacon in this very dark world to throw away or compromise.

The uniting done in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries here did a great job. I don't see anything else in the rest of the world that i want to unite with.
This coming Independence Day lets reaffirm our independence!


50 posted on 06/25/2006 7:46:14 AM PDT by RoadTest (“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil” –Thomas Mann)
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