Posted on 06/25/2006 6:41:38 AM PDT by baseball_fan
WASHINGTON - Immigration issues are always ripe for demagoguery, particularly in an election year. But the solution to the very real problems along the U.S.-Mexican border can be found, ironically, in that other part of the world that demagogues love to ridicule: old Europe.
Two years ago, the European Union admitted 10 new members. Like Mexico, all of these nations were poor, some of them fairly backward and most recently ravaged by war and dictatorship.
The leaders of the European Union wisely created policies for fostering regional economic and political integration that make the North American Free Trade Agreement "look timid and halfhearted by comparison," according to Bernd Westphal, consul general of Germany.
Europe realized it had to prevent a "giant sucking sound" of businesses and jobs relocating from the 15 wealthier nations to the 10 poorer ones. It also had to foster prosperity and the spread of a middle class and prevent an influx of poor workers to the richer nations.
So for starters, it gave the new states billions in subsidies to help construct schools, roads, telecommunications and housing, thus making these nations more attractive for business investment. It was expensive, but the result has been a larger economic union in which a rising tide floats all boats.
In return, the 10 poorer nations had to agree to raise their standards on the environment, labor law, health and safety -- and more.
Worker migration is regulated. Immigrants will be carefully integrated so as to cause the least disruption to the developed economies, with the goal of having open borders down the road.
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immigration, trade, competitiveness, security, employment, national identity all seem to be inter-related. the public debate appears to be just beginnning rather than being signed off on with a relatively quick immigration bill. getting this right has enormous implications.
Our laws will have to mesh and we're outnumbered.
We've got all the money and all the guns. We'll win.
Well here it comes folks...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645455/posts
The jackasses in DC think they'll "solve" the immigration "problem" by surrendering our borders and Constitution.....
Mexico has a population around 110,000,000. Canada has a population of 35,000,000 or so (round numbers). We have a population of 295,000,000 (Source for all three: http://www.cia.gov )
How do you figure we are outnumbered?
I'm sorry. What is the inflation and unemployment rate across Europe? Wasn't there a riot in France over Socialistic job security recently? This "reporter" has Cranial-Rectal Inversion.
This is great: And the only thing we will have to give up is our severeignty. Our identity as a nation.
Canada + Mexico = 2
USA = 1
You people are talking about physical altercations (war) I'm talking about the fact that our government makes deals with those countries then makes laws to force us into compliance. With an American union, our constitution won't mean squat.
Platitudes and cliches don't make an economy work. This saying is all peaches and cream until you realize the other "boats" are in sad shape with inept captains and crew.
It's time for a 51st state or Mexico to join the European Union.
"Two years ago, the European Union admitted 10 new members. Like Mexico, all of these nations were poor, some of them fairly backward and most recently ravaged by war and dictatorship."
The difference is that 10 new members are poor mostly because of historical events like WW2 and next almost a half century of communism. Anyway Slovenia and Czech Republic have already GDP per capita higher than Portugal and almost as high as Greece. Hungary is not far behind and the rest need a decade at worst to join "the first world" club. Maybe I am wrong, but in case of Mexico the problem seems to be a little deeper.
"Immigrants will be carefully integrated so as to cause the least disruption to the developed economies"
In Eu ? In EU internal immigrants may do whatever they want.
http://www.unitednorthamerica.org
already been discussed but there it is Canada directed.
Perhaps Mexico should be part of the USA ala puerto rico.
The problem is the animalistic corruption of mexican society will take generations to erase.
If the "NAU" is as successful as the EU, we will all be up the creek, having permanently squandered the American birthright of individual liberty for a bucket of socialist dross.
Facts are such inconvenient things for globalists. Which is why they tend to ignore them.
People with a pessimistic loser's attitude never can calculate properly.
The EU is a bad model to follow. It is becoming the Soviet Union without the concentration camps. Imagine the relatively dynamic countries of North America moving to a centrally planned economy with social legislation by mostly unlected "experts" (special intrest groups). The proposed North American Union would soon become as poor and corrupt as Mexico with the worst nanny-statism of the Canadian Liberals. The socialists see this as an opportunity to get over 300 million people that they can mold together in a giant social experiment.
The jackasses in DC think they'll "solve" the immigration "problem" by surrendering our borders and Constitution.....
If that isn't treason then I have no idea what the word means.
Boy is that ever true. I have yet to clash with a protectionist who can do simple division.
Numbers don't have a damn thing to do about it, Personal Responsibility. This is the United States of America, not the North American Union.
Mr. Hill should put down the pipe.
That's it in a nutshell. Only that pesky little thing we call sovereignty.
Depends who they're representing...ya see. When they DON'T move this agenda forward, they're being traitorous to the K Street crowd that bought them their seats.....
"Mexico has a population around 110,000,000. Canada has a population of 35,000,000 or so (round numbers). We have a population of 295,000,000 (Source for all three: http://www.cia.gov )
How do you figure we are outnumbered?"
If by "we" you mean conservatives, then we would be vastly outnumbered by the left. We would become a liberal, fascist police state overnight. Welcome to the Brave New World.
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Just wait, Bush's one world order supporters will arrive and show us the error of our way for not supporting his dream.
Someone should check the author's income. Bet you will find
something from the "One World" group.
Oh BTW--If this goes through, he is going to have to learn Spanish (Mexico) and French(Ontario, Canada)
When you look at it in terms of wealth (GDP per capita), it isn't even a contest. The United States is the big gorilla on this hemisphere and nobody else even comes close to us.
Guys, we have to open our minds a little and consider the benefits of uniting at least North America into a single economic bloc. There are vast amounts of natural resources and potential wealth in both Canada and Mexico that will ensure that the United States is the powerhouse of the world for generations to come. It would be stupid of us to cast this all aside in the name of "sovereinity"
And who says we have to give up any sovereinity at all? Our intent should be to integrate Canada and Mexico into the United States by admitting them as states. Naturally, they would have to go through a period of territory status and they would have to adopt the U.S. Constitution and meet all other requirements before being admitted.
Now Canada is a lot closer to this reality than Mexico. We could conceivably begin admitting Canadian provinces as states within 10-20 years if we start the process now. Mexico would obviously take a lot longer as they are more of a mess. Also, don't forget the Central American countries such as El Salvador and Panama as well as islands such as Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominican Republic. All of these should eventually become U.S. states so that the USA stretches from the North Pole to the Panama canal.
In the meantime, we need to integrate our economies to a certain extent so that the other countries in North America can begin to prosper and put themselves in position to become U.S. states eventually.
I'm an imperialist at heart and I do not believe the United States should ever stop expanding and admitting states.
If I may add my .02:
I think it's the belief of MOST of the folks on this board that, if it came right down to it, there are enough conservatives in this country...ARMED conservatives...who would take to the streets and start American Revolution Pt. 2 if something like that ever happened.
Now, am I advocating going out and shooting fellow Americans? By no means! What I _am_ saying is this: In order to maintain our nation's sovereignty, if it comes down to it, that in a WAR you have to do what you have to do. If the gov't. keeps going the way it appars they're going, then war is inevitable.
The big difference is that counries applied for EU membership because they wanted to join. Neither Canada or Mexico want to join the US. And we don't want them.
That's a horrible idea. Do you know how much it would cost to bring Mexico up to a decent level of income per person? It would dwarf the money West Germany spent on East Germany. And the East Germans spoke the same language and were educated.
Making Mexico a state would quickly bankrupt us. No thanks!
Oh..yeah..ideologically we would certainly be outnumbered if we partner up with any country besides Austrailia!
Another article in the ongoing campaign of the elites to avoid facing the reality that Mexico is a failed state and will have to stop exporting its poverty to us and deal with ita problems of corruption and dictatorial tendencies before any of these grandiose schemes have even a prayer of working.
It would start with massive subsidies from the United States to Mexico, a Tex-Mex Marshall Plan, with the goal of decreasing disparities on the Mexican side of the border and fostering a climate riper for investment.
I don't want to dump U.S. taxpayer money into improving Mexico.
Such entitlements haven't worked in the U.S., and a "Great Society II" program south of the border strikes me as socialist nonsense of the first water.
> The missing piece in this adolescent daydream is that the EU has essentially failed to do all those wonderful things this einstein credits them for.
Hasn't been sucessful everywhere yet - plus I'm far from cheering for the bureaucrat NWO they try installing over our heads - but Ireland's a good example that the development policy actually works.
I agree with that, and agree that it destroys our sovreignty. This would also put the socialists in the south and loony lefties in the north on an even playing field to determine what happens in between. I think I dislike that the most.
I was just pointing out that we are not "outnumbered" by Can / Mex population wise. The only "We" that would be outnumbered is us, the FR inhabitants.
? At one time, we were the greatest nation in the world. Now we have to mesh? Uh, NO, and HELL NO. Why the heck are you giving up?
Isn't Ireland's success due to their very low tax rates? Rates which the rest of the EU wants them to hike.
Not only do we out number them, we need to deport all these guys.
Why are you all so willing to bend. Our forefathers are rolling in the graves. This nation was not built by a bunch of pansies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you've been reading some of the other threads on this ( the Jerome Corsi threads which have gotten the tin foil hat treatment ), what you are suggesting is NOT what is intended. What is intended is several extra-constitutional bodies that circumvent the pesky Bill of Rights and other inconvenient protections (things that have kept the US from turning into a 3rd world s***hole or a Socialist basket case ).
Even if the statehood process were followed, do you seriously believe the 'powers that be' what want to follow the historical process? I don't. I think they'll queer it to achieve the same goals as what is being discussed on the Corsi threads.
No way. I won't live as an economic slave.
I'm not giving up, I'm only stating the fact that we're outnumbered when it comes to the laws that would need to be imposed.
People need to wake up and start voting these silly bags of wind out of office...Otherwise it will be over.
The only thing that counts is what our leaders decide to do with our money and our guns. And they are deciding in their own best interest, not ours. We just fund what they want.
Would Americans then say, enough is enough.
That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. —
This would not be a light or transient cause, we've been shown by our forefathers how to handle an out of control government that no longer follows the wishes of it's citizens.
Europeans can throw away their national sovereignty and cultures if they wish; The United States is too a priceless beacon in this very dark world to throw away or compromise.
The uniting done in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries here did a great job. I don't see anything else in the rest of the world that i want to unite with.
This coming Independence Day lets reaffirm our independence!
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