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War's Iraqi Death Toll Tops 50,000
L.A.Times ^ | June 25, 2006 | Louise Roug and Doug Smith

Posted on 06/25/2006 6:48:21 AM PDT by yoe

At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies — a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration.

Many more Iraqis are believed to have been killed but not counted because of serious lapses in recording deaths in the chaotic first year after the invasion, when there was no functioning Iraqi government, and continued spotty reporting nationwide since. The toll, which is mostly of civilians but probably also includes some security forces and insurgents, is daunting: Proportionately, it is equivalent to 570,000 Americans being killed nationwide in the last three years.

In the same period, at least 2,520 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq.

Iraqi officials involved in compiling the statistics say violent deaths in some regions have been grossly undercounted, notably in the troubled province of Al Anbar in the west. Health workers there are unable to compile the data because of violence, security crackdowns, electrical shortages and failing telephone networks.

The Health Ministry acknowledged the undercount. In addition, the ministry said its figures exclude the three northern provinces of the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan because Kurdish officials do not provide death toll figures to the government in Baghdad.

In the three years since Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled, the Bush administration has rarely offered civilian death tolls. Last year, President Bush said he believed that "30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


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At Normandy we lost 20,000 in one day; we lose nearly that many on any given day in America. What is not mentioned here in any real reporting is THAT WE ARE AT WAR - WE'RE NOT AT A SUNDAY SCHOOL PICNIC!
1 posted on 06/25/2006 6:48:25 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

What, didn't they say 100,000 deaths about a week and a half before the 2004 election?


2 posted on 06/25/2006 6:49:43 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: yoe

Meme #234.


3 posted on 06/25/2006 6:50:02 AM PDT by IonInsights
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To: bahblahbah

Good start.


4 posted on 06/25/2006 6:50:08 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: yoe
The insurgency leaves their wounded in the gutter to bleed out next to their jammed AK.

That's their choice, not ours.

5 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:12 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: yoe
Remember, the folks in Washington, DC have a history of treating war as a Picnic! Many took picnic baskets out to watch the Battles at Manassas (first and second) during the War of Northern Aggression.
6 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:22 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: bahblahbah

They definitely did. They couldn't shout it loud enough. I guess some of them came back to life or something.


7 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:31 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Amnesia is a train of thought.)
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To: yoe

And the vast majority of that 50,000 "needed killin'".


8 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:37 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: yoe

hey.. during WWII with the atomic drops, 100,000 people were instantly turned into vapor..*gasp* in a few milliseconds! I wonder how MSM would portray that


9 posted on 06/25/2006 6:51:48 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: yoe

Certainly a sad number but would the American media be reporting on the numbers of Iraqis killed and raped each year if Saddam were still in power.

As CNN showed, the answer is a resounding no. Having their "access" was more important than telling the truth about that fascist regime.

So what we know is that Sunni fascists are ruthless along with their Zarqawi pals, and will kill as many as necessary to get their hands back into power.

But of course, no matter what, America is to blame, be it Saddam's dirty work or the Baathists and Zark barbarians.


10 posted on 06/25/2006 6:52:47 AM PDT by romanesq (.)
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To: yoe

Gee .. could they be any more obvious?


11 posted on 06/25/2006 6:53:07 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePb6H-j51xE&search=Democrats)
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To: yoe

> ... 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since ...

And how many would Saddam have killed during this
period, had he been left in power?

Let me guess, the LAT doesn't raise or answer that.


12 posted on 06/25/2006 6:54:06 AM PDT by Boundless
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To: yoe
There's only one proper response to this article:

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!

Patrick Henry - March 23, 1775

13 posted on 06/25/2006 6:54:15 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: boomop1
Re: Good start.

Back in 2002, George W. Bush and Colin Powell are sitting in a bar sharing drinks when GWB says:

"I'm gonna kill a million Iraqis, and one really hot blonde"

Colin wonders "Why the hot blonde?"

GWB quips: "See! Nobody cares about a million dead Iraqis"

14 posted on 06/25/2006 6:54:18 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: yoe

I suspect that if a kid gets hit by a car while riding his bike, it will be the USA's fault.


15 posted on 06/25/2006 6:55:20 AM PDT by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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To: yoe
War's Iraqi Death Toll Tops 50,000

Hmm ... the anti-sanctions folks were saying before the invasion that sanctions killed 50,000 people a year. So I figure Iraq is about 150,000 lives ahead in the ledger.

16 posted on 06/25/2006 6:56:09 AM PDT by dirtboy (When Bush is on the same side as Ted the Swimmer on an issue, you know he's up to no good...)
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To: yoe

"according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies"

other agencies = LA Times


17 posted on 06/25/2006 6:56:56 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: yoe
At Normandy we lost 20,000 in one day; we lose nearly that many on any given day in America. What is not mentioned here in any real reporting is THAT WE ARE AT WAR - WE'RE NOT AT A SUNDAY SCHOOL PICNIC!

A word on D-Day casualties:

The breakdown of US casualties was 1465 dead, 3184 wounded, 1928 missing and 26 captured. Of the total US figure, 2499 casualties were from the US airborne troops (238 of them being deaths). The casualties at Utah Beach were relatively light: 197, including 60 missing. However, the US 1st and 29th Divisions together suffered around 2000 casualties at Omaha Beach.

Source: http://www.ddaymuseum.co.uk/faq.htm

To see the casulties you cite, I think you'd have to go back to WW1 at the Somme. I do concur with your sentiment that this is war, not a picnic.

18 posted on 06/25/2006 6:59:33 AM PDT by Panzerfaust
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To: yoe

The cost of FREEDOM????

PRICELESS....


How many died in America's fight for freedom? Bet if you look at the numbers 50,000 out of 20 million is way below our percentages.....

besides.....it makes no difference if they want it or not......we are there for bigger reasons.....rightly so.....


19 posted on 06/25/2006 7:00:19 AM PDT by is_is (VPD of Lcpl Daniel - USMC , 2/5 - Sleep Well America.....My Marine has your Back)
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To: yoe
Yep. Who didn't see this coming:

50,000 DEAD IRAQI!!!


wmd's found, btw (but they were old and that doesn't count)
20 posted on 06/25/2006 7:00:40 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: yoe
Here's the casualty breakdown for the Kosovo for the first year after Kfor/KLA took over in 1999.

Remember Kosovo has a population of 2.1 million which is less than a tenth of that of Iraq.

21 posted on 06/25/2006 7:01:07 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: RandallFlagg
50,000 DEAD IRAQI!!!

Somehow the MSM had to get the number of dead up to Vietnam levels and our military was just not cooperating.

22 posted on 06/25/2006 7:02:40 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: Boundless
There are figures for that which have been posted here at FR which showed the yearly death toll under Saddam was actually higher than it has been during war time.
Regardless, this war time death toll estimate of 16,500 a year offers no differentiation of who is an "insurgent" and who was killed by "insurgents"...they only try to soft-pedal that angle by implying that number is insignificant. I'm sure when a bomb goes off in a busy police station or marketplace they just lump them all under war collateral.
23 posted on 06/25/2006 7:04:09 AM PDT by Sisku Hanne (*Support DIANA IREY for US Congress!* Send "Cut-n-Run" Murtha packing: HIT THE ROAD, JACK!)
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To: yoe
This is a common tactic anymore.. take the "official" figure. Say it is inaccurate in an unprovable way. Come up with some new unprovable number based on spurious reasoning that is shocking. Take that number and multiply it to a much more shocking number. This time by multiplying it my the population of the US.
24 posted on 06/25/2006 7:06:37 AM PDT by dalight
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To: yoe

"a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration."

snip

"LAST YEAR, President Bush said he believed that "30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis.""

They make it seem like President Bush was trying to under count, then further into the so called news piece they are forced to admit that was last year.





25 posted on 06/25/2006 7:06:45 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the Treasonous and Immoral Democrats!)
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To: yoe

More made up BS. Notice how they CLAIM they have "Statistics" but do not give an clear indication of WHERE they got their statistics. How much you want to be their "Source" is one of the wacko Leftist groups like Answer or Act up?


26 posted on 06/25/2006 7:08:37 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (The US Military. We kill foreigners so you don't have too.)
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To: yoe

.."all we all know how truthful Muslums, AL NYT and AL LA Times are..so it must be true"

Doogle

27 posted on 06/25/2006 7:10:57 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF...8th TFW...Ubon Thailand...408thMMS..."69"...Night Line Delivery...AMMO!!)
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To: yoe

40,000 non combatants, police and military trainees killed by terrorists or so-called insurgents by everything from car bombs and IEDs to targeted attacks; most of 10,000 terrorist insurgents killed by U.S. and coalition military and Iraqi security forces, and (regrettably) a few innocents caught up in the crossfire.

The numbers are a WAG (wild a$$ guess), but the concept is correct. The enemy kills WAY more civilians than we do, but the LAT suggests that Bush killed 'em all!


28 posted on 06/25/2006 7:14:38 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: yoe
This is such a load of crap. Most of the civilians killed by a wide margin are civis killed by the terrorists in their homes and mosques and on the street minding their own business.

And many of those in the count killed are terrorists, who dress like civilians so our military can't easily spot them on sight until they pull a gun on you and start shooting. It's not like the terrorists have little badges they wear, or special turbins that say "Aim here, I'm a terrorist". Last time I checked they didn't have those at least.

29 posted on 06/25/2006 7:16:27 AM PDT by TexasPatriot8 (You can't get blood from a turnip, and with liberals, you can't get common sense from stupid.)
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To: ChadGore

maybe i missed the point of your post...what is your point?

No war...no deaths...no nothing until it is your a** on the line or in a twin tower 99+ story building...and you have done nothing wrong?


30 posted on 06/25/2006 7:18:00 AM PDT by ldish (God save the USA)
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To: dirtboy
Good point. Must be bookmarked...


Point of reference: left's "sanction deaths" comparison.

Thanks, dirtboy.
31 posted on 06/25/2006 7:22:57 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: yoe
So we've wasted 50,000 terrorists and only lost 2,520? This is bad news?

Funny how there no mention of many people have been murdered by Muslims and their car bombs, or how many thousands were founfd in Saddams mass graves!

32 posted on 06/25/2006 7:22:58 AM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: ldish

it was 100k deaths (lancelot report pre-2004 election) in iraq before it was 50k deaths. So what happened to the other 50k deaths?


33 posted on 06/25/2006 7:26:56 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: dfwgator
And the vast majority of that 50,000 "needed killin'".

I suspect a goodly number of them were killed by the Jihadies. Didn't bother to mention that did they. It's all "Bush's fault" anyway, so I guess even if they had mentioned who killed them, the LAT would still blame Bush for their deaths.

34 posted on 06/25/2006 7:31:43 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: 4rcane

Resurrection?


35 posted on 06/25/2006 7:32:20 AM PDT by null and void (When you're thinking about beating the odds, consider the outcome of the odds beating you.)
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To: SubMareener
during the War of Northern Aggression.

Meat = Poison

I thought it was the rebelion war.

36 posted on 06/25/2006 7:32:42 AM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: yoe

Lesley Stahl on U.S. sanctions against Iraq: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price--we think the price is worth it. --60 Minutes (5/12/96)

37 posted on 06/25/2006 7:33:03 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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For the writers;

Ahhh, yeah. And just who has killed most of them?

How about low life, pod scum sucking, Qu'ran reading terrorists using car bombs and other such devices.

Muslims - killing their own faster than anybody else can.
38 posted on 06/25/2006 7:35:34 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Sharia. Coming to a town near you.)
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To: yoe

"It's that time of year when New Yorkers start making their summer vacation plans. Renting a place in the Hamptons? Nah, been there, done that. How about a Parisian jaunt? Noooo. Too many riots. Well, how about visiting a country that's ancient, historic, beautiful and exotic - Iraq? Sure, there's a little war going on there, but when you look at the violent death statistics in the world, [Iraq is] safer than a number of other popular travel destinations. Believe it or not. I happened to catch Rep. Steve King, a Republican of Iowa, on C-span last week and he rattled off some startling figures that demonstrate how off-base journalists are when it comes to reporting on the war in Iraq.

According to Mr. King, the violent death rate in Iraq is 25.71 per 100,000. That may sound high, but not when you compare it to places like Colombia 61.7" per 100,000 death rate, violent death rate. South Africa, has a higher violent death rate per 100,000: 49.6 per 100,000. Even Jamaica has a higher violent death rate than does Iraq: 32.4, and Venezuela comes in at 31.6 violent deaths per 100,000. "How about the violent death rates in American cities? New Orleans before Hurricane Katrina was 53.1," violent death rate per 100,000. "FBI statistics for 2004-05 have Washington" DC's violent death rate at 45.9 per 100,000; Baltimore at 37.7 per 100,000, and Atlanta at 34.9 per 100,000. The figure again from Iraq, 25.71 per 100,000, and that includes the war.

So Iraq, I mean, if you're just going to roll the dice and take your chances, Iraq's a much safer place to go than Washington or Jamaica or New Orleans pre-Katrina, or Venezuela!” (Rush Limbaugh 5/16/06) http://www.goofigure.com/UserGoofigureDetail.asp?gooID=6420


39 posted on 06/25/2006 7:38:23 AM PDT by gpapa (Boost FR Traffic! Make FR your home page!)
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To: AmericaUnited

Good! That's the right sized font, too.


40 posted on 06/25/2006 7:39:39 AM PDT by RoadTest (“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil” –Thomas Mann)
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To: yoe
The partial legacy of Kofi Annan/UN and Bill Clinton policies of supporting seemingly endless sanctions against Iraq (these figures are for "excess deaths" of Iraqi children below the age of 5, only:

http://www.casi.org.uk/info/garfield/dr-garfield.html
For 1996, after five years of sanctions and prior to receipt of humanitarian foods via the oil for food program, this model shows mortality among children under five to have reached a minimum of 80 per one thousand, a rate last experienced more than thirty years ago. This rise in the mortality rate accounted for between a minimum of 100,000 and a more likely estimate of 227,000 excess deaths among young children from August 1991 through March 1998.

41 posted on 06/25/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: yoe

In WWII we had a song that went "Accentuate the positive" sung by Bing Crosby. Apparently that's not the philosophy of the L.A. Times.


42 posted on 06/25/2006 7:40:47 AM PDT by RoadTest (“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil” –Thomas Mann)
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To: yoe

Who is doing most of the killing? Answer: AQ and the insurgents. The Iraqi police and military have lost almost 5,000 killed or about twice the American losses.


43 posted on 06/25/2006 7:42:26 AM PDT by kabar
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To: yoe
The toll, which is mostly of civilians but probably also includes some security forces and insurgents

Yeah, probably.

44 posted on 06/25/2006 7:43:24 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: yoe

wars should not cause loss of life....


45 posted on 06/25/2006 7:43:43 AM PDT by woofie
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To: bahblahbah

Yes they did. And that Lancet paper claimed that they were all civilians despite the curious fact that the overwhelming majority of them were males between the ages of 18-30...

Precisely the ages of all the Iraqi soldiers who (quite wisely) got rid of their uniforms and melted into the general population.

I'm assuming that the numbers are similar in this report.


46 posted on 06/25/2006 7:46:01 AM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: dirtboy
Hmm ... the anti-sanctions folks were saying before the invasion that sanctions killed 50,000 people a year. So I figure Iraq is about 150,000 lives ahead in the ledger.

...or put another way....The United States has saved 150,000 Iraqi lives since 2003.

47 posted on 06/25/2006 7:47:16 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: yoe
At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies — a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration.

And WHO killed them? By their silence, the liberal scum sucking bastards at the LAT point the finger at our troops when the vast majority were killed by the bad guys.

The LAT can only survive is the USA, a country it loathes. Any place that it protects, like Cuba or a terrorit ruled Iraq, they be dragged from their newsrooms and shot. Chavez has a law jailing journalists who insult the President or his office.

Send the LAT to the lands they protect and let them live there. It certainly doesn't look out for Americans anymore.

48 posted on 06/25/2006 8:38:44 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Liberals saying "We Support The Troops" is like OJ looking for the real killers.)
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To: boomop1

Cowboy sitting at a bar. An indian comes in and sits down next to him. Then a muslim enters and sits on the cowboy's other side.
The Indian announces, "My people...once we were many, now we are few." The cowboy sips his beer.
The muslim then announces, "My people...once we were few, now we are many."
The Cowboy sips his beer again and says, "That's 'cause we ain't played cowboys and muslims yet."


49 posted on 06/25/2006 8:54:10 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: yoe
At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies
50 posted on 06/25/2006 9:11:39 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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