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War's Iraqi Death Toll Tops 50,000
L.A.Times ^ | June 25, 2006 | Louise Roug and Doug Smith

Posted on 06/25/2006 6:48:21 AM PDT by yoe

At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies — a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration.

Many more Iraqis are believed to have been killed but not counted because of serious lapses in recording deaths in the chaotic first year after the invasion, when there was no functioning Iraqi government, and continued spotty reporting nationwide since. The toll, which is mostly of civilians but probably also includes some security forces and insurgents, is daunting: Proportionately, it is equivalent to 570,000 Americans being killed nationwide in the last three years.

In the same period, at least 2,520 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq.

Iraqi officials involved in compiling the statistics say violent deaths in some regions have been grossly undercounted, notably in the troubled province of Al Anbar in the west. Health workers there are unable to compile the data because of violence, security crackdowns, electrical shortages and failing telephone networks.

The Health Ministry acknowledged the undercount. In addition, the ministry said its figures exclude the three northern provinces of the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan because Kurdish officials do not provide death toll figures to the government in Baghdad.

In the three years since Saddam Hussein's regime was toppled, the Bush administration has rarely offered civilian death tolls. Last year, President Bush said he believed that "30,000, more or less, have died as a result of the initial incursion and the ongoing violence against Iraqis."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bias; deathtoll; iraq; misleading; nuketheleft
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To: yoe
The partial legacy of Kofi Annan/UN and Bill Clinton policies of supporting seemingly endless sanctions against Iraq (these figures are for "excess deaths" of Iraqi children below the age of 5, only:

http://www.casi.org.uk/info/garfield/dr-garfield.html
For 1996, after five years of sanctions and prior to receipt of humanitarian foods via the oil for food program, this model shows mortality among children under five to have reached a minimum of 80 per one thousand, a rate last experienced more than thirty years ago. This rise in the mortality rate accounted for between a minimum of 100,000 and a more likely estimate of 227,000 excess deaths among young children from August 1991 through March 1998.

41 posted on 06/25/2006 7:40:23 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: yoe

In WWII we had a song that went "Accentuate the positive" sung by Bing Crosby. Apparently that's not the philosophy of the L.A. Times.


42 posted on 06/25/2006 7:40:47 AM PDT by RoadTest (“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil” –Thomas Mann)
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To: yoe

Who is doing most of the killing? Answer: AQ and the insurgents. The Iraqi police and military have lost almost 5,000 killed or about twice the American losses.


43 posted on 06/25/2006 7:42:26 AM PDT by kabar
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To: yoe
The toll, which is mostly of civilians but probably also includes some security forces and insurgents

Yeah, probably.

44 posted on 06/25/2006 7:43:24 AM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: yoe

wars should not cause loss of life....


45 posted on 06/25/2006 7:43:43 AM PDT by woofie
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To: bahblahbah

Yes they did. And that Lancet paper claimed that they were all civilians despite the curious fact that the overwhelming majority of them were males between the ages of 18-30...

Precisely the ages of all the Iraqi soldiers who (quite wisely) got rid of their uniforms and melted into the general population.

I'm assuming that the numbers are similar in this report.


46 posted on 06/25/2006 7:46:01 AM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: dirtboy
Hmm ... the anti-sanctions folks were saying before the invasion that sanctions killed 50,000 people a year. So I figure Iraq is about 150,000 lives ahead in the ledger.

...or put another way....The United States has saved 150,000 Iraqi lives since 2003.

47 posted on 06/25/2006 7:47:16 AM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: yoe
At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies — a toll 20,000 higher than previously acknowledged by the Bush administration.

And WHO killed them? By their silence, the liberal scum sucking bastards at the LAT point the finger at our troops when the vast majority were killed by the bad guys.

The LAT can only survive is the USA, a country it loathes. Any place that it protects, like Cuba or a terrorit ruled Iraq, they be dragged from their newsrooms and shot. Chavez has a law jailing journalists who insult the President or his office.

Send the LAT to the lands they protect and let them live there. It certainly doesn't look out for Americans anymore.

48 posted on 06/25/2006 8:38:44 AM PDT by Doctor Raoul (Liberals saying "We Support The Troops" is like OJ looking for the real killers.)
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To: boomop1

Cowboy sitting at a bar. An indian comes in and sits down next to him. Then a muslim enters and sits on the cowboy's other side.
The Indian announces, "My people...once we were many, now we are few." The cowboy sips his beer.
The muslim then announces, "My people...once we were few, now we are many."
The Cowboy sips his beer again and says, "That's 'cause we ain't played cowboys and muslims yet."


49 posted on 06/25/2006 8:54:10 AM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: yoe
At least 50,000 Iraqis have died violently since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion, according to statistics from the Baghdad morgue, the Iraqi Health Ministry and other agencies
50 posted on 06/25/2006 9:11:39 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: bahblahbah
didn't they say 100,000 deaths about a week and a half before the 2004 election?

It's a slug line similar to the 200,000 dead reported in every Bosnia-Herzegovina war story from Day One.

51 posted on 06/25/2006 9:14:29 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: AmericaUnited
Somehow the MSM had to get the number of dead up to Vietnam levels and our military was just not cooperating.

The military hasn't even cooperated in getting it up to the one-day 9/11 total.

Bet the MSM never makes that comparison.

52 posted on 06/25/2006 9:17:48 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

Head um up and move um out.


53 posted on 06/25/2006 9:19:14 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: ChadGore

Bush has allowed this to become another police action not a war, until this changes we are going to lose.


54 posted on 06/25/2006 9:21:59 AM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: yoe
War's Iraqi Death Toll Tops 50,000

You know what that means?

THE LEFT'S CLAIMED IRAQI DEATH TOLL PLUMMETS AFTER SADDAM IS TOPPLED BY THE U.S.

Embargo death toll tops 1.5 million

55 posted on 06/25/2006 9:29:02 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: yoe

I thought it was closer to 6000 @ Normandy.


56 posted on 06/25/2006 9:55:50 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: yoe

How many of those are foreign fighters? There was a statistic not long ago showing the death rate has gone down since Saddam was removed.


57 posted on 06/25/2006 10:53:28 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: boomop1
Re: we are going to lose.

You can not apply a future tense to something that has already happened.

Victory in Iraq is now 3 years old.

58 posted on 06/25/2006 11:05:02 AM PDT by ChadGore (VISUALIZE 62,041,268 Bush fans. We Vote.)
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To: yoe

that number is NOTHING compared to what the Islamofascists would achieve in the US given the opportunity and if we weren't fighting them OVER THERE.


59 posted on 06/25/2006 11:08:28 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: yoe

Last death toll figure I saw for the reign of Saddam Hussein was 400,000+, with some 2.7 million total missing.


60 posted on 06/25/2006 11:09:08 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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