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Gangs of New York, Their twins due home from intensive care any minute, an anxious couple considers
NY Metro ^ | 06.12.06 | Sarah Bernard & Hugo Lindgren

Posted on 06/25/2006 1:02:39 PM PDT by Coleus

Two fuzzy heartbeats—our doctor pointed to the black-and-white monitor of the ultrasound machine, and we both squinted and pretended to see what he was talking about. A lima bean, we thought, with a smaller lima bean next to it? Sensing that we weren’t getting it, he punched a few keys and suddenly the small exam room at Cornell’s Center for Reproductive Medicine and Infertility filled with a rapid-fire thump-thump-thump-thump: our embryos on speakerphone. So wait, it had worked? Twice? When we still didn’t say anything, our other doctor piped up: “This is good news, you guys.”

How did we feel? Relieved, more than anything, that we didn’t have to face starting all over again with fertility injections. And then . . . shocked that there were, in fact, two of them in there. Given that we’d done in vitro fertilization (IVF), twins were a predictable outcome. But we hadn’t allowed ourselves to believe it would actually happen.

When we decided to get pregnant, we had imagined a far simpler scenario. We had expected to control the process the way we thought we controlled everything else in our tidy yuppie lives. We felt happily married. We had pretty good jobs. We had a new apartment with an extra bedroom. Having a kid was the natural next step. In a sense, we were merely being swept up in the generational tide, but we also genuinely envied our friends with kids and liked being around them. This is what we wanted.

For ten years, Sarah had, via the Pill, put her reproductive system on hold, assuming that it would resume normal service when she wanted it to, right on cue.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: babies; baby; birthcontrol; contraception; family; fertility; hormones; ivf; kid; kids; life; oralcontraception; parenthood; pregnancy; twins

1 posted on 06/25/2006 1:02:42 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Coleus

My twins turn 31 this year. They both have two children, but one of them wants another. I have been gently pushing for her to please not put it off any longer. The Pill has screwed up society and with it women's reproductive systems.


2 posted on 06/25/2006 1:08:22 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Coleus

"Sarah had, via the Pill, put her reproductive system on hold, assuming that it would resume normal service when she wanted it to, right on cue."

Why women put their bodies through the ravages of hormonal contraception is something I will never understand. One of the most insideous lies of the feminist movement is that you can have a baby whenever you want. A woman's ferility drops dramatically by age 25. You can't mess with nature without having to pay the piper at some time.

I have a hard time feeling too sorry for yuppies who find their world turned upside down with the arrival of a second baby when they only ordered one. A family I know was expecting their ninth child. During the ultrasound the technician looked at them and asked "Which is this?" They said "Nine." He said "Try ten."

That's a shock I can understand.


3 posted on 06/25/2006 1:14:28 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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4 posted on 06/25/2006 1:16:19 PM PDT by Coleus (RU-486 Kills babies & mothers, Bush can stop this as Clinton allowed it through executive order)
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To: mockingbyrd

An acquaintance of mine was surprised with her 8th and 9th babies, at the delivery. I have not been blessed with twins, but of course you adjust :=).


5 posted on 06/25/2006 1:16:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: mockingbyrd
A family I know was expecting their ninth child. During the ultrasound the technician looked at them and asked "Which is this?" They said "Nine." He said "Try ten."

Having twins after 8 kids is not such a big deal, the older ones help out a lot.

I had my 9 kids one at a time.

6 posted on 06/25/2006 1:17:28 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 140-144)
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To: mockingbyrd

Nobody told my Mom that fertility drops after 25.

She had 7 after that age.


7 posted on 06/25/2006 1:20:42 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: TASMANIANRED

My mother had six. But it is a medical fact.


8 posted on 06/25/2006 1:21:56 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Alouette

She might disagree with you, but the older children did help out quite a bit.


9 posted on 06/25/2006 1:23:39 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: mockingbyrd

Not disputing the statistics....

However she hadn't used anything to supress he ovaries and had her first one at 18.


10 posted on 06/25/2006 1:26:37 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: TASMANIANRED

I've had 7 of mine since 25, and 6 since 30 :-). Der Prinz's fertility seems to be falling off afte 40, though; we have slightly more than two years between each of the last 3 children!


11 posted on 06/25/2006 1:28:29 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: TASMANIANRED

My mother's first child was born at 28. and her last at 41. However, she too didn't mess with her system.


12 posted on 06/25/2006 1:29:56 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: Coleus
"We decided to find out by immersing ourselves in the parallel universe of multiples, while we still had time."

Time for what? Time to murder one if it might be too inconvenient. Do these self absorbed yuppies realize that children are human beings, not pets?

13 posted on 06/25/2006 1:30:30 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: Tax-chick

The only thing that kept my Mom from having more was a ruptured uterus with her 14th delivery.

She wanted more.

2 year interval is good. Keeps you from having too many in diapers at once.


14 posted on 06/25/2006 1:38:24 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: mockingbyrd

She squeezed them in close together.


15 posted on 06/25/2006 1:39:14 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Six kids, thirteen years, not too shabby....


16 posted on 06/25/2006 1:41:31 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: mockingbyrd
My mom had her first kid at age 29, she conceived me when she was 42... and on the pill! ;-)

Apparently, the Pill back in the late 60s was still pretty new science. She was also taking antibiotics at the time and they did something to counteract the hormones.

I was on the pill for only a short while, I never liked how it made me feel -- it was very a very strange, unnatural time. Thankfully, my body bounced back quickly--because I've heard horror stories of women who NEVER get back to normal. We'll be trying (possibly, still haven't decided) on baby number two next year. If we get pregnant, great, if not--there's always adoption.

17 posted on 06/25/2006 1:46:01 PM PDT by RepoGirl ("Bobby, if you weren't my son... I'd hug you...")
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To: Tax-chick

I had 5 in 6 years....started at age 25 and ended at age 30. No pills ever, healthy kids, good father, wholesome family....all kids college graduates now.


18 posted on 06/25/2006 2:08:07 PM PDT by Carolinamom
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To: Eagles6

Had time to get ready perhaps? We found out we were expecting twins nine weeks into our second pregnancy, and we needed all nine months to prepare ourselves mentally. Unfortunately we only had 7.5 months, and it took us years to catch up.

One book we read included the statement that the occurrence of multiples takes off astronomically at the age of 35, perhaps showing Mother Nature has a sense of urgency, but it also drops again at 41 - showing she also has a sense of humor.

We would never wish twins on even our worst enemies, but we would never chose to be withour ours - we are blessed to have such a gift.


19 posted on 06/25/2006 2:27:12 PM PDT by ShihanRob
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To: mockingbyrd

Nothing beats a big family.

We had fun that singletons can't conceive of.

Massive Monopoly games that went on for hours , playing cards, building forts,playing ball,going fishing, camping and picnics.

Fixing Sunday dinner was a massive family affair.

Mom's fried chicken was to die for.


20 posted on 06/25/2006 2:29:52 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: ShihanRob

The article points out the extreme narcissism of all of these people. Can't get pregnant? They demand it. More than they want? "Reduce" the pregnancy. One woman says having one child is a step up from having a goldfish. It's only a child if the parents want it. If they don't, just flush it, like a goldfish.


21 posted on 06/25/2006 3:30:29 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

We always seem to have two in diapers, no matter how old they get!


22 posted on 06/25/2006 4:31:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: Carolinamom

That's fast! My closest pair are 17 months apart, and the least close are 3 years.


23 posted on 06/25/2006 4:33:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: Xenalyte

ONZ, these people named their daughters "Scarlett" and "Orly." That is EVIL!


24 posted on 06/25/2006 5:18:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: Tax-chick

Oh, my.


25 posted on 06/25/2006 5:45:28 PM PDT by Xenalyte (The wages of sin are death, but after taxes are taken out it's just sort of a tired feeling.)
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To: Xenalyte

I like "Aquanetta" better; at least it's not so unspeakably elitist.

On the subject, I ran into a checker named "Porche" yesterday at Wal-mart. I didn't realize what was wrong with it until I sat behind at Porsche at a stoplight today!


26 posted on 06/25/2006 5:50:23 PM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: Coleus

Dr. Evans on page 5 is seriously creepy.


27 posted on 06/25/2006 5:52:58 PM PDT by Eepsy (Hocus pocus alamagocus!)
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To: Eagles6

That wasn't the point. The woman who made the goldfish comment was dissing parents who had single births as not being that busy compared to a mother who has twins.


28 posted on 06/25/2006 8:05:37 PM PDT by art_rocks
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To: art_rocks

Actually that was the point. The whole article is about selfisness. It's all about how "I" wanted kids when "I" wanted them. "I" tried to manipulate human nature and when that didn't work to "My" satisfaction "I" demanded children and when "I" had too many or one was defective "I" took on God's job and "reduced" my pregnancy.
It's disgusting.


29 posted on 06/25/2006 8:32:10 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Dig deeper, more ammo.)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Of all the gifts my parents have given us, including college education for us all, by far the one we all most appreciate is their gift of siblings, and lots of them.


30 posted on 06/25/2006 10:52:46 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: RepoGirl

I pray God will bless you with another child, in the way He sees fit.

My college roommate started crying while reading the list of side effects of the pill before she started it, to treat her ovarian cysts. Three women died during the first test run of the pill, all they did was alter the dosage.


31 posted on 06/25/2006 10:56:07 PM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: mockingbyrd
Women don't even realize how dangerous this stuff is, its marketed as this quick, easy convenient thing--and the side effects are just brushed over. Of course, when something terrible happens, the response is, "I didn't know!"

When I was in my 20s, I can't tell you how many doctors pushed the pill on me. Didn't matter how I felt about it. It was also as expensive as anything (I wonder if that's the real motivation?)

And the real kicker is--of all the women I knew on the pill, 80% of them were significantly overweight and had become so after taking the hormones.

32 posted on 06/26/2006 5:59:38 AM PDT by RepoGirl ("Bobby, if you weren't my son... I'd hug you...")
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To: RepoGirl

Yeah, I just don't understand why so many women line up to take a pill that makes them more moody, more prone to depression and makes them gain weight.

Back in the '60s when they were first testing birth control pills, they tried one for men and one for women. In the mens' control group, one man experiencd testicle shrinkage. That was it, a male birth control pill was abondoned for the next forty years. (I think they are again researching on) In the womens' control group, three women died and all they did was alter the dosage.


33 posted on 06/26/2006 7:58:46 AM PDT by mockingbyrd
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To: TASMANIANRED

One of nine myself. Mom had six of us before she was thirty and the last was nearly born in the back seat of my Pontiac Catalina as we rushed to the hospital....that was some hairy ride...


34 posted on 06/26/2006 8:03:14 AM PDT by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: mockingbyrd
Why women put their bodies through the ravages of hormonal contraception is something I will never understand.

Because men won't wrap that rascal.

35 posted on 06/26/2006 8:08:26 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: mockingbyrd

I'm guessing back in the 60's most, if not all, of the doctors conducting the research were men. And there's your answer.


36 posted on 06/26/2006 8:11:35 AM PDT by Wolfie
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