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Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?
FoxNews.com ^ | Sunday , June 25, 2006 | Ray Robison

Posted on 06/25/2006 5:55:24 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares

Prologue:

Newly declassified documents captured by U.S. forces indicate that Saddam Hussein's inner circle not only actively reached out to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan and terror-based jihadists in the region, but also hosted discussions with a known Al Qaeda operative about creating jihad training "centers," possibly in Baghdad.

Ray Robison, a former member of the CIA-directed Iraq Survey Group (ISG), supervised a group of linguists to analyze, archive and exploit the hundreds of captured documents and materials of Saddam's regime.

This is the final installment in a three-part series concerning a notebook kept by an Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) agent called Khaled Abd El Majid, and covers events taking place in 1999. The translation is provided by Robison's associate, known here as “Sammi.”

The first two translations from this notebook detailed an agreement between members of the Saddam regime and the Taliban to establish diplomatic and intelligence based cooperation. This final translation further advances the link between the Saddam regime and world-wide Islamic Jihad terrorism.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: alqaedaandiraq; iraq; prewardocs; prewarintelligence; saddam; taliban
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Ya think??
1 posted on 06/25/2006 5:55:25 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Peach

Worth a look.


2 posted on 06/25/2006 5:56:41 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: jveritas

Thought you might find this of interest.


3 posted on 06/25/2006 5:57:31 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Names Ash Housewares

'Bout time this comes out.


4 posted on 06/25/2006 5:58:05 PM PDT by ladyinred (Liberals are dangerous for America.)
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To: ladyinred

Really bad couple of weeks for Democrats.

Looks like all they have left about why we attacked Iraq is "for the oil."


5 posted on 06/25/2006 6:02:33 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Democrats - The reason we need term limits)
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To: Jet Jaguar; ikez78

Thank you so much for remembering my intense interest in this, Jet. I appreciate it.

Ikez - you will want to look at this.


6 posted on 06/25/2006 6:06:44 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; jwalsh07; Peach; All
I translated Iraqi documents that show a direct meeting of Saddam Intelligence service with Osama Bin Laden in 1995 in Sudan per Saddam authorization and Saddam regime training non Iraqi Arab Feedayeens i.e. Arabs terrorists, as well as Saddam Air force recruiting suicide terrorists from their own ranks six month before 9/11. I do not know why Foxnews never picked up these much implicating documents that show Saddam extreme strong relation with terrorism:

Saddam Regime Document: Iraqi Intelligence met with Bin Laden in 1995 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600579/posts

March 2001 Document: Saddam Regime Recruits Suicide Terrorists to Hit US Interests http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1610012/posts

2003 Document: Saddam Ordered To Treat The Arab Feedayeen Terrorists The Same As Iraqi Soldiers http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618519/posts

Document: Iraqi Intelligence To Train Arab Feedayeen Terrorists In the Year 2000 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617431/posts

Document: Saddam Regime Training and Using Foreign Arab Terrorists As Suicide Bombers. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600367/posts

Document: Afghani Taliban Consul Spoke of a Relationship Between Iraq and Bin Laden http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1597459/posts

Document: Zarqawi in Iraq Long Before the War Started http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1598259/posts

March 2002 Document: Saddam Ordered 25,000 Dollars for Each Suicide Terrorist Against Israel http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1602317/posts

2003 Document: Iraqi Intelligence Asks Hamas To Conduct Terrorist Attacks Against The US. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607915/posts

7 posted on 06/25/2006 6:07:41 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
"Ya think??"
Yep. Thanks for the post. Our Freeper database on WOT and the Butcher of Baghdad continues to expand.
8 posted on 06/25/2006 6:08:35 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Bad month to be a liberal.


9 posted on 06/25/2006 6:09:04 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (http://dailyterroristroundup.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas

Yet another one.


10 posted on 06/25/2006 6:09:15 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Nope they cant use oil either. With oil prices as high as they are, folks are starting to warm to the idea of war for oil :-)


11 posted on 06/25/2006 6:16:13 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: jveritas

Have you emailed Ray Robison with your translations?

"The author welcomes your comment on the translation and analysis of this document. You can contact Ray Robison by emailing him at: saddamdossier@gmail.com."


12 posted on 06/25/2006 6:20:24 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Peach; AliVeritas

Looky here...


13 posted on 06/25/2006 6:21:10 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Ah...but the dems keep saying there is NO link between Saddam and al-queda before we invaded Iraq.../sarc.


14 posted on 06/25/2006 6:34:12 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: jveritas

Hey j.

Here's your daily terrorist roundup
http://dailyterroristroundup.blogspot.com/2006/06/round-up-for-62506.html


15 posted on 06/25/2006 6:39:45 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Saddam Hussein's inner circle not only actively reached out to the Taliban rulers of Afghanistan and terror-based jihadists in the region, but also hosted discussions with a known Al Qaeda operative about creating jihad training "centers,"
16 posted on 06/25/2006 6:39:56 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: AliVeritas

Thanks AV, great pictures :)


17 posted on 06/25/2006 6:42:47 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jwalsh07; jveritas

Three words...
Samarra, Ramadi and Salman Pak

Sound about right jv?


18 posted on 06/25/2006 6:46:25 PM PDT by AliVeritas ("One for all , all for kicking *ss and taking names" ...Scratch taking names.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?

Yes.

Next question?

19 posted on 06/25/2006 6:47:58 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The bottom 60% does 40% of the work, the top 40% does 60% of the work. Just who are the "workers"?)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

bump


20 posted on 06/25/2006 6:52:53 PM PDT by lesser_satan (EKTHELTHIOR!!!)
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To: jveritas

Thank you for putting those links all in one place. This week I'll update my list of Saddam/Al Qaeda contacts going back to the 90's.


21 posted on 06/25/2006 7:33:42 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: SE Mom

Thanks for the ping, SE Mom. I'll add this to my list when I update it this week.

We have freepers doing enormously important work!


22 posted on 06/25/2006 7:34:57 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; All

Outstanding.

Thanks to all contributors.


23 posted on 06/25/2006 7:50:04 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: BenLurkin

Don't forget that the al Qaeda actively sought WMD from Iraq and worked hard on getting them from Iraq, (9-11 commission)
the desire for a relationship came from BOTH sides, i will have more on this within a week or two


24 posted on 06/25/2006 8:05:19 PM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: Peach

Thanks for the PING Peach. This story is going to get bigger.
I hope Brit or John Gibson brings Ray on their show.


25 posted on 06/25/2006 8:06:45 PM PDT by ikez78 (www.markeichenlaub.blogspot.com)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; All
The "Connections between Al Queda and Saddam" link has extensive references & source links at the bottom:

#12 Pierre_Legrand  6/25/2006 09:29PM PDT
 

Thanks to the commenter from LGF who recommended my site to FARK...wow.

Didn't have the ability to respond to the critics since my commenting abilities won't be activated until tomorrow but it sure was nice reading the moonbats twisting.

Connections between Al Queda and Saddam

Lets just say that the objections of the moonbats were easy to refute.

If you are interested in that sort of article this one might be amusing as well.

Pre War Open Source Intelligence Regarding Saddam's Threat to the United States

Putting a new site together at www.pierrelegrand.ne... it is not ready yet but you can look around if you want.

Pierre Legrand


26 posted on 06/26/2006 3:15:31 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

At least FNC is publishing this. I wish others in the MSM would do this too instead of trying to bring down Bush43.


27 posted on 06/26/2006 6:03:45 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: Marine_Uncle; jveritas

It's starting to really pile up ....


28 posted on 06/26/2006 7:53:26 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

Is the Pope German?


29 posted on 06/26/2006 7:53:56 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"It's starting to really pile up ...."
It sure looks that way Ernest. Heaven only knows what may yet surface. Surely WH, DoD, perhaps DoS press conferences shall close to the 2006 elections start to drop the bomb on the demorats and L/MSM. And surely by November 2008, a lot of well defined stuff should be packaged for political gains on our side. Just a matter of time.
30 posted on 06/26/2006 9:23:59 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle; jveritas
I find the particular memo requesting volunteers for suicide mission one of the most interesting:

The Command of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base

Subject: Volunteer for Suicide Mission

Air Brigadier General Abdel Magid Hammod Ali

Commander of Ali Bin Abi Taleb Air Force Base

Air Colonel Mohamad Majid Mahdi.

Why is this particular suicide mission requested from Iraqi AIR FORCE?? Did Iraq even have an Air Force in March of 2001?? Exactly what kind of suicide mission would they be requesting 3 months before 9/11?

Another interesting point relating to this memo:

The 911 conspiracy theories present a particular theory that these 19 men could not have been advanced enough as pilots to have the accuracy to hit the targets as perfectly as they did since they went to flight school and were not good students to begin with. They theorize that the pilots would have to have been either professional pilots which indicate state sponsorship (the U.S. govt. for the theorists; the hijackers were CIA operatives) or it was remote controlled plane.

We all know how ludicrous these theories are, but lets revisit the theory with this memo as a reference. This memo give the INDICATION that Iraq had his air force volunteer for a suicide mission - the only suicide mission that follows this memo that has to do with airplanes/pilots is 911.

One might counter that, some of the terrorists trained in flight schools none were in any air force. That is not proven, for one thing we don't really know exactly who most of the hijackers were. Another point, I would include is that easily there could have been a professional pilot (an Iraqi air force pilot or Iraqi commercial pilot - can be the same in Iraq) involved that knew exactly how to fly accurately and the hijackers who have trained in flight schools were there to be co-pilots and back up.

I find this entirely feasible, since we know that 911 was a compartmentalized attack, the majority of the hijackers had no idea of the actual plot. Possibly just 2 people per plane knew of the actual plot, leaving the pilot and co-pilot with the others as the traditional hijackers doing the footwork.

Just some logical thoughts!
31 posted on 06/26/2006 10:07:57 AM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: AmericanYankee

That's what I've heard. Only one per plane knew of the actual plan.


32 posted on 06/26/2006 10:16:30 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: AmericanYankee
" Why is this particular suicide mission requested from Iraqi AIR FORCE?? Did Iraq even have an Air Force in March of 2001??"
Iraq had an airforce during this period. But it was greatly diminished in structure and capability due to many of their fighter aircraft being flown to Iran during the first gulf war and never returned. I do not know how many Russian built jet transports they had in use. If they did have some Russian trained pilots on big jets, then perhaps goons could have been trained by them in general proceedure, and flight methods for handling large aircraft.
But that is not an issue as I see it. Guys like Atta where adequately trained to fly Boeing commercial jets once in the air. Take over the airplane cockpit, punch in the gps coordinates for flying the plane to the towers for instance, set the desired attitude, pull back the throttles a bit, push the wheel forward to decend to the low attitude, punch the autopilot button. Bingo. Plane flies itself to destination. When target in view, unset autopilot, aim plane for target. If you have to make a wild wide turn, course correction so be it, just do it, at this point one is not worried about passenger comfort in deep bank turn etc..
One does not have to understand very much about flying such an aircraft in this given scenario.
33 posted on 06/26/2006 11:04:45 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Names Ash Housewares

bttt


34 posted on 06/26/2006 11:09:58 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I understand how one trained in flight schools could have flew into the planes into the buildings and that Iraq didnt have much of an Air Force to begin with (my questions about the Iraqi Air Force were sarcastic). One of the arguments with resect to 911 is that these manuevers were hard for even experienced pilots and here you have guys wh attended flight schools supposedly doing advance maneuvers.

The important question remains with respect to this memo in that it requests volunteers in the Iraqi Air Force for a suicide mission 6 months before 9/11. The only air-oriented suicide attack after that memo is 9/11. Sure, it's coincidental but we have US memos also "predicting" hijackings before 911. Conspiracy theorists use these to say our govt knew that 911 was to occur. This is a memo from Iraq requesting what I would assume to be pilots from the Iraqi Air Force to perform a suicide mission six months before 9/11 - then 9/11 occurs. Call me wacky, but its looks somewhat suspicious to me!


35 posted on 06/26/2006 11:25:09 AM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: AmericanYankee
"Call me wacky, but its looks somewhat suspicious to me!"
No. You are not whacky. One could very easily accept the idea the Iraqi where behind the training of 9/11 pilots. We know Atta had on a few occasions just to name one, had contact with Iraqi Intel folks within Iraq.
I don't discount anything at this point. Saddam was up to his eye balls in ways to promote terrorism. To many docs/videos have been recovered at this point and found in the Harmony databases to think otherwise.
36 posted on 06/26/2006 12:11:42 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

I think anyone with some sense of logic would look at Saddam for possible connections with terror attacks against the U.S. and these memos confirm that Saddam at the least supported attacks against us, if not 911, he had intentions to perform terrorism against the U.S.

What really sucks is that the MSM media now puts Iraq's WMD and terror ties in the UFO category, whoever continues to claim prove any of the two are real, they are subjectd to ridicule in the MSM.

I just remembered Stephen Hayes' interview on the Jon Stewart show where Hayes was flat out disrespected. Jon Stewart bascially laughed at Hayes as if he was investigating the Loch Ness monster and called the book a bunch of BS. I remember someone telling me that these TV interviews are actually scripted to a specific point of view, which in this case was that Saddam had no WMD or ties to Al Queda.


37 posted on 06/26/2006 12:19:24 PM PDT by AmericanYankee
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To: Names Ash Housewares

I think so. Supporting terrorist plots would give Saddam a way of hitting back at the U.S., while maintaining "plausible deniability".


38 posted on 06/26/2006 6:34:10 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: AmericanYankee
Patience is a virtue. As the news leaks out about the WMDs the goons in the Gaza Strip claim to have, things will start to heat up. If Hamas launches anything that contains chemical and or biological ordnance against Israel, then as is starting to be discussed now, all roads will point to Iraq.
The L/MSM will not be able to hold down the hatches once the storm really builds into a full northeaster.
We shall read about where all that crap shipped by Russian transports to Syria just days before the tanks rolled into Baggy Dad, ended up. Allepo, Bekka valley etc., then smuggled into the Gaza Strip.
The truth shall slowly leak out.
39 posted on 06/26/2006 8:57:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Names Ash Housewares
I'm sure the dems are thinking "where is Sandy "paper pants" Berger when you need him?". They better put a guard on all the Iraqi documents or the dems will begin to make them disappear or they'll have problems winning in Nov.
40 posted on 06/27/2006 7:29:11 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Names Ash Housewares; Peach; jveritas; jwalsh07; ladyinred; EQAndyBuzz; Marine_Uncle; ...

Context for 1999 meetings mentioned between IIS agents and a Taliban/al Qaeda representative as written about in Ray Robinson’s FOXNews.com piece.

To better judge the context and validity of the IIS documents translated for Ray Robinson's FOXNews.com piece, a review of open source information relating to both Iraq’s and al Qaeda’s situations in 1998 and 1999 is helpful. Particularly, was there a need for cooperation between the two sides and what other geopolitical concerns did al Qaeda and Iraq have at the time?


Although the most recent document deals with events in 1999, it is necessary to go back to 1998 to review events leading up that point.


In early 1998, Iraq’s state sponsored terror proxies were still weak from being dismantled in many countries during the Gulf War and Clinton-ordered U.S. air strikes on IIS headquarters in retaliation for the attempted assassination of George H.W. Bush in 1993. David E. Kaplan, Bruce B. Auster and Douglas Pasternak, USNews & World Report, 3-2-98


Simultaneously, Iraq’s terror proxies such as Abu Nidal’s group and others had been weakened by infighting and some had become inactive since the first Gulf war. (David E. Kaplan, Bruce B. Auster and Douglas Pasternak, USNews & World Report, 3-2-98) Despite these setbacks the State Department’s annual report on State Sponsors of terrorism still noted that Iraq was actively seeking to rebuild that terrorist infrastructure ("What did Iraq's State Sponsored Terrorism look like during the 1990's?"). But with their previous means of sponsoring terror visibly weakened, might they seek new avenues and new means of rebuilding that infrastructure, as the State reports indicated.


In August, 1998, U.S. embassies were attacked by al Qaeda killing hundreds. U.S. air strikes target Osama bin Laden’s position in Afghanistan and put pressure on Taliban. CNN, August 20,1998 At a time when al Qaeda was successfully attacking American interests and Iraq was seeking help rebuilding it’s international terrorist infrastructure, it’s appears that a common interest was in place between the two sides (if it hadn’t existed already).


The middle of 1998 also saw reports of Osama bin Laden asking Saddam Hussein for asylum through his Sudanese contacts. This may have been related to differences with the Taliban and international pressures on the Taliban at the time for hosting terrorists. (It’s later reported that Saddam Hussein had offered Osama bin Laden asylum in Iraq through Farouk Hijazi. Osama bin Laden apparently overcame any differences with the Taliban and thus never needed to “boogie to Baghdad.”) ABC News, 1-14-99


December 16, 1998 - Operation Desert Fox Iraq bombed for not complying with UN resolutions regarding WMD inspections CNN, 12-16-1998


December 17th or 18th, 1998 Ayman al-Zawahiri condemns U.S. attacks on Iraq Scott Malensek, Accuracy in Media, 3-9-06


December 21, 1998 - Iraq offers asylum to bin Laden during meeting with Farouk Hijazi TIME, NEWSWEEK, 9-11 COMMISSION, ABC News and others report that Iraq invited bin Laden to move his headquarters to Iraq. Scott Malensek, Accuracy in Media, 3-9-06


December 1998 – Bin Laden/Farouk Hijazi meetings includes agreement by both sides to unleash anti-American terror war, this story is reported years before the Uday Hussein “Heroes attack” document, regarding terror attacks in Europe, is made public (more on this below) Yossef Bodansky, "Bin Laden: The Man Who Declared War On America", p.361


December 22, 26 - 1998 Osama bin Laden condemns U.S. air strikes on Iraq in interview with Peter Arnett Scott Malensek, Accuracy in Media, 3-9-06 Stephen Hayes & Thomas Joscelyn, Weekly Standard, 7-18-05


February 1999 - Newsweek reports that Saddam Hussein was working to enlist Osama bin Laden to help rebuild his terrorist infrastructure, which had been badly damaged during the Gulf War and Clinton air strikes (more details on the damage and rebuilding efforts of Saddam Hussein’s international terrorist infrastructure during the 90’s is available here, per State Dept. reports)


"Newsweek also reported that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein has been making new overtures to bin Laden in an attempt to rebuild his intelligence network and to create his own terror network." - United Press International (3 Jan 1999)


February 17, 1999 - AFP reports that Saddam Hussein is hoping to use bin Laden to carry out terrorist attacks against Western interests, particularly in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia FrontPage Magazine, July 14, 2003


February 1999 - U.S. intelligence community receives report that Iraq has “formed a suicide pilot unit that it planned to use against British and U.S. forces in the Persian Gulf.” (this report was disregarded as disinformation though by this time the 9-11 plot, involving suicide pilots, was now well in the works by al Qaeda) Eleanor Hill Staff Director, Joint Inquiry Staff Statement to Joint House/Senate Intelligence Committees, Part I, 9-18-02


Ray’s story details documents from a March, 1999 meeting between an al Qaeda/Taliban representative and Iraqi officials. (Ray Robinson, FOXNews.com, 6-26-06)


This story fits into a time period in which mainstream media reports indicate numerous terror plots were in motion (9-11, Millenium plot, etc.), meetings between Iraqi officials and al Qaeda members were taking place and an apparent convergence of anti-Western interests was taking place.


A May, 1999 IIS document reveals that Uday Hussein had documented plans for “martyrdom” terror attacks in Europe, this document was recovered post-war Iraq. Whether or not these planned attacks had anything to do with the reported meetings with al Qaeda remains to be seen. Kevin Woods, James Lacey, Williamson Murray, Foreign Affairs, May/June 2006


Other postwar Iraqi documents suggest that Algerian/Sudanese terrorists were being trained in Samarra, Ramadi and Salman Pak terror camps in 1999. If these documents are accurate, were these Sudanese terrorists al Qaeda affiliates? The answer of who these men were likely lies in the mountain of still classified postwar documents. Stephen Hayes, Weekly Standard,1-11-06 Dan Darling, Weekly Standard, 1-11-06


In August, 1999, al Qaeda affiliate Ahmed Ressam began working out the details of his plan to bomb the Los Angeles airport

(Incidentally, Iraqi agents had attempted a similar attack during the first Gulf War, details of which were reported in the following Washington Post article regarding a heightened Security threat to airliners during military action against Iraq) Rick Atkinson and David Broder, Washington Post, 1-17-91


In September of 1999, further meetings between high ranking Iraqi officials and high ranking al Qaeda members in Iraq are reported to have taken place.

AKI, May, 23, 2005 This may have been related to Ayman al Zawahiri (Osama bin Laden's top deputy) attending a Jihadi conference in Iraq that NEWSWEEK Stephen F. Hayes and Thomas Joscelyn, "Mother of All Connections"

Also in September 1999, Izzat al-Douri (now a major figure in insurgency and has been working with Ansar and al Qaeda since outset of war as reported by Dan Darling for the Weekly Standard) and Ayman al-Zawahiri (who the 9-11 Commission cited as having ties of his own with Iraq) reportedly also met to discuss terror camps and joint training ADNKRONOS International 5-23-05


November 22, 1999 – An internal Iraqi memo shows plans to build and perfect IED’s, The memo also mentions training of Arab fedayeen. Was building and perfecting IED’s something that Iraq was doing throughout the 1990’s or was it unique to this year? If it was unique, it indicates an anticipation of some sort of guerilla warfare (possibly anticipating a U.S. led invasion). "Captain’s Quarters”, Joseph Shahda, April 20, 2006


Without making any conclusions as to what happened at the meetings, because the picture still remains incomplete, it appears that both al Qaeda and Iraq viewed themselves at war with the U.S, particularly in light of the recent air strikes on both.

With Iraq looking to rebuild it’s weakened terror infrastructure and al Qaeda openly at war with the United States (as evidenced by repeated by anti-U.S. fatwas from Osama bin Laden) the two sides had a common interest to overcome ideological differences and build a relationship upon.

To what extent, if any, these two sides actually agreed to work together will not be fully known until the remaining documents from both Iraq and Afghanistan are made public and translated.

The struggle between those pushing for the documents to be released (politicians like Sen. Santorum, Sen. Pat Roberts, Congressmen Hoekstra and others as well as media figures such as Stephen Hayes, Thomas Joscelyn, Ray Robinson and others) and intelligence bureaucrats who continue to maintain control over the recovered documents will ultimately decide how much of this story is going to be allowed to be made available for public consumption.

http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/context-for-1999-meetings-mentioned.html


41 posted on 06/27/2006 10:22:17 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/)
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To: ikez78
Very nice composite on your part. I do hope some that for some strange reason, have not adhered to the fact Saddam was up to his eyelids in active support of terrorism, will finally allow things to click in their brain.
So many of the articles you site, have been rehashed at different levels at FR over a period of time. But good. Let them once again clearly be made visible to the viewing audience.
"November 22, 1999 – An internal Iraqi memo shows plans to build and perfect IED’s, The memo also mentions training of Arab fedayeen."
And to this day, some of these clowns are deeply rooted in towns such as Yousifiya, al Mahmudia, Latifiya, the area around Iskandaria, Marmon, in short the Triangle of Death area and further expansive Sunni Triangle as well as the relocation as required to north of the capital and NW al Anbar province etc.. The Saddamist as we know have continue to support their efforts, as well as those AQIR that have integrated into the foreign elements.
To say Saddam did not sponsor terrorism in the 80's upward to the day he got yanked from the spider hole, indicates one is not in the least informed.
Least we forget. The IAF did not send that attack wing of F16's and supporting F15 CAP to take out the Osirik nuclear facility for the sake of playing games.
42 posted on 06/27/2006 10:48:21 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Members of Saddam's inner circle are now being promoted to al Qaeda leadership positions in Iraq. This has actually been going on for quite some time.
I wish more people were aware of this.


43 posted on 06/27/2006 10:55:54 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/)
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To: ikez78
I believe some at FR are aware of this for some time. Many have commented on how Saddamist in high levels, just to name one, Izzat al Douri had sworn allegience to AQIR back in 2004, have over a period of time been in full support of the foreign elements, Iraqi Wahhabist radical groups etc..
Just because we have seen the capture/killed of many in the deck of 55 does not mean the thousands of military and intel officers under the generals where not full blown supporters of AQ as well as internal Sunni resistance movements etc..
Can't help but fully agree with your statement.
44 posted on 06/27/2006 11:13:11 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Very true. I think the documentation is solid going all the way back to 2002.


45 posted on 06/27/2006 11:14:12 AM PDT by ikez78 (http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/)
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To: ikez78

No doubt.


46 posted on 06/27/2006 11:28:02 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: ikez78

This deserves its own stand-alone thread, my FRiend. I can't do it today, but if you'd like, remind me and I'll do it tomorrow.


47 posted on 06/27/2006 12:23:24 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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Feel free Peach. I am moving my site to a .com fairly soon so I may be able to reprint posts right into the news section here.


48 posted on 06/27/2006 1:43:04 PM PDT by ikez78 (http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/)
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To: ikez78

I'll post it tomorrow, ikez. It may get moved to the blog section of FR so I'll be happy when you have a .com site.


49 posted on 06/27/2006 3:50:56 PM PDT by Peach (Iraq/AlQaeda relationship http://markeichenlaub.blogspot.com/2006/06/strategic-relationship-between.)
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To: ikez78

Thanks for the ping, your work. BTTT!


50 posted on 06/28/2006 4:12:52 AM PDT by PGalt
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