Posted on 06/25/2006 6:10:03 PM PDT by george76
Alan Colmes, last night:
“Jim Angle, who reported this for FOX News, quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they’d already been degraded ..."
Here's what you find when you do some digging on the Internet about mustard gas: a letter from two United Nations weapons inspectors to the President of the Security Council from 1999:
" a dozen mustard-filled shells were recovered at a former CW storage facility in the period 1997-1998. The chemical sampling of these munitions, in April 1998, revealed that the mustard was still of the highest quality.
After seven years, the purity of mustard ranged between 94 and 97%..."
A 94 to 97 percent purity after seven years strikes me as pretty long lasting...
Try researching, Alan. Mustard gas keeps its toxicity for a long time.
Stop telling your viewers and listeners that the weapons were "degraded" — which, without context, sounds like "harmless."
(Excerpt) Read more at tks.nationalreview.com ...
Alan shills for the RATs...enough said.
Quite rightfully they demand the government take them away ~ else they might well be killed by these still lethal weapons ~ buried over 80 years ago!
"Also, TKS reader Ed notes that every year, some unlucky French farmers have health complications from run-ins with mustard gas left over from World War One."
What I do not understand is how anyone knows enough about what R Santorum was talking about to say anything about it.
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"I share the administration's goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction." -- Dick Gephardt in September of 2002
"There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. -- Wesley Clark on September 26, 2002
http://home.earthlink.net/~mmmhiggins/IRAQWMD.html#TOP
There is nothing that I despise more than intellectual dishonesty, unfortunately there is a lot to despise these days. Maybe I'm just getting old and grouchy but I'm getting so I just turn off the TV more and more and listen to my IPOD. The music relaxes me, the politics just makes me mad.
Here's a link to a thread posted by jveritas recently regarding mustard gas, it's very interesting.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1653841/posts
That's a pretty vague comment. What about them was supposed to be "degraded"? The mustard itself? A dispersal agent? A propulsive charge?
Alan was trying to minimize the WMDs that were found...as if they were harmless.
I am glad that someone in the print media is challenging this stupid lie that the Chemical shells found in Iraq with Mustard gas in it are not effective anymore.
At least he's consistent. He knows squat about everything else as well.
You bet. I happened to catch that segment with Colmes the other night, I swear he's getting lamer and lamer.
Why does Colmes and the rest of the lefties need to be on Fox. I think most of their viewers want conservative reporing and not the so called "fair and balanced approach".
As am I jveritas, your hard work is starting to pay off.
Colmes is a liberal idiot, I simply googled "BBC, WWI, mustard gas" and got a list of articles detailing the deadliness of the stuff 90 years after the fact. Gas from the late 80s and early 90s would carry the same potency.
Once again, liberals shy away from the facts like vampires from holy water.
My grandfather was gassed in the trenches in WWI. He died 20 yrs later from pneumonia related to mustard gas poisoning leaving my Grandmother with 4 little ones. I'm sure he wasn't counted as a fatality.
I hope the colmes, murtha and the dems keep it up so all of America can see their trason.
Every year, enough French and Belgian farmers are blown to hell, and poisoned by WWI gas shells to prove the point.
Dear Alan, Yes its totaly harmless... Here take a big snif...
The "Bionic Eyebrow".
"If you allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons, how many people is he going to kill with such weapons?
He's already demonstrated a willingness to use these weapons.
He poison-gassed his own people.
He used poison gas and other weapons of mass destruction against his neighbors.
This man has no compunction about killing lots and lots of people...."
-- Al Gore, Dec. 16, 1998
Anyone who says those were harmless needs to be given a chance to inhale. All the liberals will decide to follow Clinton's lead and "not inhale".
In early 2000, Former Clinton CENTCOM commander, Anthony Zinni told Congress "Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region," adding, "Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, [and] retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions ...
Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months."
David Kayes report said the same thing!! This is the same report the democrats cited as "NO WMD stockpiles found", yet they leave out the part about an inplace program.
As an aside, a short primer on War gasses:
List of gases used in World War I
benzyl bromide
German, tearing, first used 1915
bromacetone
Both sides, tearing/fatal in concentration, first used 1916
carbonyl chloride (phosgene)
both sides, asphyxiant, fatal with delayed action, first used 1915
chlorine
both sides, asphyxiant, fatal in concentration, first used in 1915, cylinder release only
chloromethyl chloroformate
both sides, tearing, first used in 1915, artillery shell
chloropircin
both sides, tearing, first used in 1916, artillery shell (green cross I)
cyanogen (cyanide) compounds
allies/Austria, asphyxiant, fatal in concentration, first used in 1916, artillery shell
dichlormethylether
German, tearing, first used 1918, artillery shell
dibrommethylethylketone
German, tearing, fatal in concentration, first used in 1916
dichloroethylsulphide (mustard gas)
both sides, blistering, artillery shell (yellow cross)
diphenylchloroarsine
German, asphyxiant, fatal in concentration, (dust - could not be filtered), first used in 1917, artillery shell (blue cross)
diphenylcyonoarsine
German, more powerful replacement for blue cross, first used in 1918
ethyldichloroarsine
German, less powerful replacement for blue cross, first used in 1918, artillery shell (yellow cross I, green cross III)
ethyl iodoacetate
British, tearing, first used in 1916
monobrommethylethylketone
German, more powerful replacement for bromacetone, first used 1916
trichloromethylchloroformate (diphosgene)
both sides, asphyxiant, fatal with delayed action, first used 1916
xylyl bromide
German, tearing, first used 1915.
The only gas that I can remember as having a useful purpose is Phosgene, which, when refluxed with Bisphenol-A, becomes Polycarbonate Plastic..............FRegards
World War 1 mustard gas still threatens human life. In this case, a beach resort in Belgium.
http://www.greatwar.nl/frames/default-houthulste.html
More from the same site:
http://www.greatwar.nl/frames/default-houthulste.html
I just want to post some of the information about the Houthulst site in Belgium because it is truly frightening to consider what is sitting there. This is the same area that is referenced in the BBC article where people are said to be smuggling weapons and selling them on the black market. Considering the 'jihadi' mindset of many muslims in the area it is almost incomprehensible to think that these things are just sitting in the open like this. These are some passages from the longer article which everyone should read--includes pictures.
“There they lie, piled up on wooden pallets, and sometimes just lying on the ground: tens, hundreds, thousands of shells, still filled with deadly chlorine, mustard, and phosphate gas.
Eighteen thousand duds from the First World War. Three hundred thousand kilos. Sufficient for the eradication of millions of people. And every day, more is added.
Most of the gas shells are heavily rusted. Some have partly burst open. Dozens of shells are leaking. Those have been temporarily encased in a container. “
"People think that this stuff is no longer dangerous after all this time. Nothing could be further from the truth. The charge has become chemically unstable and therefore sensitive to shocks and friction. With some shells, there is only a little spring one millimeter thick that is restraining the pin. What do you think would happen if that spring were to rust through? Each year it deteriorates more."
“But because history began to repeat itself, Belgium built a "disinfection factory" a few years ago in the Houthulst woods that cost more than 10 million Euros (or US$10 million). The factory has an x-ray machine at its disposal to see through the shells in order to determine if a shell contains poison gas or a conventional charge.
Next, robots clean the shells and bore holes in those with poison-gas. Then the gas is sucked out. A waste-works in Antwerp must burn the gas at a high temperature.
All suspect shells must be X-rayed and emptied, piece by piece: all 18,000 that lie there now, plus what comes in daily. "And there aren't any less. We are going to be busy here for a long time," Pille fears.”
I can't stand watching the lying little creep either but he serves as a reminder to us just how evil these people are while helping to thwart the charges of a biased all-conservative station. In addition, for the libs who watch because of him - there may be some who, when hearing the contrast of Hannity and others, just may get a glimmer of truth.
The mustard gas would have been approved by Janet Reno for use at Waco...
I'm sure he knows about it. His job was to minimize, not confirm, the news.
-PJ
Alan reads. He regurgitates the talking points the Rats fax him daily. Watch him... he always READS his statements and questions.
I've heard he used to be a comic. He should never have left his day job.
The danger here is with Colmes himself.
It would not be wise to make him the focus of a controversy and turn him into a celebrity.
I doubt that he could revive Air America, but he is an effective spinmeister.
I can't watch Butthead as some Freepers have labeled Colmes.
A couple of younger relatives are pulling the plug on him. They feel that in the last year, he is totally over in bed with the lefties who hate America.
"Alan has totally sold out to the dark side.He at least used to try to be intellectually honest..."You noticed that too?On one show,Sean was ripping the daylightes out of some anti-war lib,and the lib looked at Alan and said,"what does my friend(Alan)think?"Alan responded"don't ever call me your friend"and proceeded to pick up where Sean left off.Over the last few years he's gone further and further to the left.
What they call "fair and balanced" is actually "truth vs. lies".
Liberals always lie. I've had to stop watching also.
So, what is the shelf life of an artillery shell, I wonder?
If WWII mustard gas was to be discovered being stored somewhere in the continental US the libs like Alan Colmunist would become livid and scream about the lethal danger to women and children everywhere.
Back in the 1970s, I read an article in the newspaper about a farmer in Belgium who had cut down a tree, and then sat on the stump to eat lunch.
Twelve hours later, he was in the hospital with massive blisters on the backs of of thighs and his buttocks.
Cause? Mustard gas exposure . . . from sitting on the tree stump. The tree had absorbed the mustard gas sixty years earlier.
It's not called a "persistent agent" for nothing.
Actually, Chgogal, Alan is QUITE aware of the danger posed by old chemical weapon rounds. Don't ever think that he isn't for a second, because one of the saving graces of "liberalism" (perhaps the only one) is that the willful stupidity practiced by most of it's adherants magically wears off when one of the following occurs:
1. Reality invades their socialist utopia
2. Their paycheck depends on it.
3. Their lives are in actual danger (not a distant-sorta-kinda-danger, a RIGHT-NOW-GET-ME-THE-HELL-OUT-OF-HERE- danger).
In Alan's world, there are no nasty people on the planet, unless, of course, hey drive SUV's, own guns and vote republican. In Alan's world, only American's must make efforts at disarming, fostering world peace, feeding the hungry, treating the sick, or paying for it. And if we don't, then we DESERVE the occasional airliner-turned-guided-missile to chastize us for our sloth and selfishness.
Unless he happens to be on, under, or in the path of said airliner, Alan can safely treat the whole thing as an interesting experiment, of sorts. That's how a liberal "thinks"; it's always about possibilities, never realities.
Don't buy the hype; Alan MUST play foil to Sean Hannity's conservative because otherwise he wouldn't be interesting (except perhaps for that wicked eyebrow-thing. He should have that checked) and no one would pay him.
Another problem, common to all liberals, is that nothing is that either everything is a distant, minor threat that can be safely ignored (think AIDS, for example) or changed by "education", or it's a full-blown-immediate-right-in-your-face "crisis" that was ignored forever, but which must be rectified right this second, preferably by some form of invidious socialism.
Unless and until Alan was locked in a room with a leaky mustard gas shell, had to walk down 100 flights of stairs in a dark, burning skyscraper, had to be hospitalized for injuries sustained during a terrorist attack, etc, the threat doesn't really exist to him. Even five years after 9/11, the whole terrorist thing has the feel of an extended excercise in hypotheticals to most liberals. It is unfortunate, but it will require another 3,000 deaths in another American city just to finally get them to REMEMBER there's a problem. Having it happen to them PERSONALLY is about the only thing that actually converts them.
Otherwise, they are content to be reflexively contrarian just for the sake of it. For some, it's a sport better than sex, I believe.
Alan is like all the other liberals out there. Think they can just shout out THEIR OPINION as fact without ever having to back it up. They think just cause they say it, it's true.
Oh, wait. Gasp! I do that myself. Does that make me a liberal?
(p.s. the first part is still true)
LOL
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