Support States' Rights - OK Medical Pot

I get crappola like what you're throwing at me just cause you love weed!!!
That statement shows just how out of touch you are. You automatically assume that anyone who opposes your drug war insanity must be a burned out drug addict. I don't love weed. I use no drugs including alcohol. Can you say the same?

To think I took the time out of my life to run for and hold an office to represent ingrates like you
You don't represent me. You represent your own ego. You don't get a pass on the drug war just because you pontificate about property rights and farmers.

No matter how long your family lived here before you without smoking that evil weed!!!
LOL!
And there it is...The "evil weed". Thanks for making my point! People were smoking that "evil weed" here in the Sierras long before you came to town. In fact, people were smoking that "evil weed" here in the Sierras long before I was born and I'm 69. You Morality Crusaders from the city hated that "evil weed" so much you ran off the hippies. Did that make our community a better place? HELL NO! Those pot smokin hippies you despised were replaced with much worse. I let those hippies help themselves to my berries and fruit. They repaid me with pies, jam, honey and firewood. They were great neighbors! I won't allow the scumbag that replaced them on my property.

If weed is evil, I'm definately on the side of evil. Evil was a better neighbor than what I have now.
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Any argument to keep marijuana illegal can be applied to alcohol (times 10).

And the prohibition of marijuana has been just as successful as the prohibition of alcohol in the 1920s -- if by "successful" you mean driving up prices and sending the profits to organized crime instead of regulated and taxed American businesses.

Now you fancy yourself a "victim" of not only your neighbor, but the thundering whorde of "Flatlanders" who wanna rob you of your 69 year-old birthright of smokin that dope to your heart's content! Hey! It's ok with me if you give yourself a cognitive impairment for life with that stuff. I could care less!!!

It just surprises and stuns me that anyone your age could engage in such self-deluding sophistry to the point that it has embittered you so toward your fellow Californians.

Now me, I've got reason to be bitter toward somebody like Schwartzenegger who slapped that crappy additional layer of government over both of us called the Sierra-Nevada CONservancy!!!

Oh! No, I don't drink, smoke, or do any drugs stronger than asprin! It doesn't make any difference if I did, or if I didn't. You were just lookin for a little moral equivalance, right? (grin) (I'm only 5 years behind ya so git a grip)

Well, mugsey, judging by your Hindu Home Page on FR, you bought into the whole Earth Island, "we're all alone in the universe," MotherEarthNews, organic farming, Hippie-Dippie weatherman line of mind-set!!!

LMAO!!!
My Hindu Home Page? Are Deists Hindu? Were the Deists who began this Republic Hindu?
I didn't buy into anything. I'm a Deist the same way you're a Christian...My original European ancestors were Deists who came here to escape Christianity long before the revolution. My family has remained Deist to this day. Your anti Deist comments show how little you know.

Now me, I've got reason to be bitter toward somebody like Schwartzenegger who slapped that crappy additional layer of government over both of us called the Sierra-Nevada CONservancy!!!

I feel the same way about the Conservancy as I do about marijuana prohibition. They're both scams to steal rights from the people. How can you be against one without being against the other?

Oh! No, I don't drink, smoke, or do any drugs stronger than asprin! It doesn't make any difference if I did, or if I didn't. You were just lookin for a little moral equivalance, right? (grin) (I'm only 5 years behind ya so git a grip)

LOL...You ignored my statement that I don't smoke dope and again made a lame attempt to put me down as an impaired druggie. That tells me that you're comparing my truthfulness to your own...In other words, your a boozer!
That's ok though, I know you younger ones still have a lot to learn!
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So you can take your lame excuse for this massive increase in business for a substance that will have the entire bayboom host arriving on the old-age scene with huge cognitive impaiment and scamming the GovernMental Medicaid Welfare System to pay for their danged Nursing Home and other chronic pot induced disabilities!!!

Doooode, what are YOU smoking?

"Lest we forget, you just bet a lot of coin on the "fact" that I couldn't find any source of the argument."

Lest you forget, your argument was that people would quit drinking alcohol and switch to marijuana if marijuana was legalized. You cited nothing to support that.

"to the false claims of the government that marijuana is dangerous enough to deserve to be a controlled by prescription"

If that was true, marijuana would be a Schedule III prescription drug right alongside Marinol. It's not. It's a Schedule I drug, which means that the government (and every major medical organization) is claiming that smoked marijuana has no medical use.

The Aspergillus that was in his marijuana matched the Aspergillus in his lungs that killed him and you're saying that's a coincidence -- that he could have gotten it from broccoli?

Not true. Where does it say they tested his marijuana for aspergillus? Aspergillus is everywhere. He most likely picked up the infection in the hospital. Even if the infection was contracted from his marijuana you have nothing.

Before the end of the year deadly hospital infections, those contracted by otherwise healthy individuals while hospitalized for even routine procedures, will claim over 100,000 lives. As the fourth largest killer of Americans, these hospital infections kill more people each year than AIDS, breast cancer, illegal drugs and traffic accidents combined.

Smoking marijuana is safer than visiting your local hospital.

See ya later. When you grow up.
LOL!
robertpaulsen runs off followed by his trail of smoke...
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"Where does it say they tested his marijuana for aspergillus?"

For the third time. "Cultures of the marijuana revealed Aspergillus fumigatus ..."

"these hospital infections kill more people each year"

Ah, I see. First, deny that a fungus in marijuana can kill susceptible patients and then, when proven wrong, attempt to minimize it.

Repeat after me, "I did not ... have sex ... with that woman ...".

Lest you forget, your argument was that people would quit drinking alcohol and switch to marijuana if marijuana was legalized. You cited nothing to support that.

As usual for drug warriors, you are once again "mistaken", otherwise, you could point to where I made such an argument, which of course, you can't, because I did not, for, like most drug warrior arguments, your's is based on a negligent acquaintence with easily ascertained facts, insult, bluster and bluff, and the ability to dance fast when you bluff is called.

If that was true, marijuana would be a Schedule III prescription drug right alongside Marinol. It's not. Itus a Schedule I drug, which means that the government (and every major medical organization) is claiming that smoked marijuana has no medical use.

Boiling down this argument: "It's illegal, therefore, it should be illegal". Where adults argue, this is called post hoc, ergo propter hoc: assuming what is to be proved. Since you are, as you say, intimate with the DEA's Young Commission finding, you know that the Judge-Advocate of the DEA ordered the re-scheduling of Marijuana, and that since 1988, the DEA has been, basically, in violation of its own mandated procedures in maintaining marijuana at schedule III. The DEA operates in this questionably legal manner because it is addicted to the civil seizure income from marijuana busts.

Pretty amusing, by the way, that Marinol, which does actually have a clinical track record for killing people due to it's pharmacological properties, is sched. I, while marijuana, which has virtually no clinical record of having ever harmed anyone, is sched III. This is perhaps the most egregeous monument to the blind, illogical stupidity that the drug war produces. On the available scientific evidence, there is insufficient reason to make Marijuana even a schedule I "drug", unless, of course, you count venal, dishonest political gain, and a license to pillage thru civil forfiture.

"otherwise, you could point to where I made such an argument"

Sure. You said, "In every historical case known, sea changes in the law cause sea changes in usage. And we have contemporary statistics to draw from in Switzerland, Jamaica, and Denmark, amongst others. The safety factor alone would be plenty enough reason for a rational user to substitute marijuana from alcohol."

Now what are you saying -- you didn't mean it? What have we been discussing the last dozen posts? What "contemporary statistics" were you referring to? What were your reports in post #61 supporting?

People are not going to switch from alcohol to marijuana if marijuana is legalized.

"Cultures of the marijuana revealed Aspergillus fumigatus with morphology and growth characteristics identical to the organism grown from open lung biopsy specimen."

There's your proof. Exactly what you asked for. Medical marijuana can kill immunosuppressed patients.

From the Mayo clinic:

http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/inside.asp?AID=522&UID=6388

The use of pacemakers and implantable cardioverter-defibrillators continues to increase for the management of cardiac dysrhythmias and, more recently, heart failure. Long-term complications associated with their use include infection, lead failure, and spurious shocks. Although the risk of infection with intracardiac devices is well known, the clinical presentation of this complication can be insidious, delayed in onset, and difficult to diagnose. We report a case of Aspergillus fumigatus infection of an implantable cardioverter-defibrillator with right-sided endocarditis in a 55-year-old man. The infection presented as persistent pulmonary infiltrates (due to recurrent septic pulmonary embolism) and anemia more than 2 years after implantation of the device. Clinicians should be aware of the variable manifestations resulting from infection of intracardiac devices.

There you go, obvious proof that pacemakers can kill people, and therefore, should be outlawed.

"The disease that disseminated was chronic myelogenous leukemia"

No. It was the disease caused by Aspergillus fumigatus.

What makes more sense to you -- "Despite aggressive antifungal therapy, the patient died with disseminated disease caused by the fungus." or "Despite aggressive antifungal therapy, the patient died of leukemia."?

You have a 1/2 point, and I 1/2 apologize, however, I did not intend for these two sentences to be as intimately connected thru statistics as you seem to think. The statistically verifable safety record for legalizing marijuana, for example, in Holland, is available thru the Dutch public health agency, and has been widely disseminated, including in several of the reports I have cited. This is not signifcantly related to transferrence from alcohol to marijuana. It is more related to such things, as, just to choose a random example, making it possible to legally and enforcably mandate screening marijuana for fungal contamination.

My second sentence was speculative, and did not, by my intention, draw upon the available evidence the first sentence drew on. Hence my assumption, which I am not convinced was wrong, that we were arguing about the existence of the discussion, not the existence of the statistics. I apologize for not being sufficiently clear--not for making claims about statistical evidence related to transferrence, which a careful reading will tell you I did not make.

People are not going to switch from alcohol to marijuana if marijuana is legalized.

Of course some people will. What a silly claim. Most people prefer to obey the law, if the law hasn't fallen into the hands of lunatics and zealots. People with addictive personalities won't, because marijuana isn't significantly addictive, but sensible people who enjoy a beer in the evening to relax, will easily discover that a toke in the evening serves much the same function, at less cost and risk.

"you know that the Judge-Advocate of the DEA ordered the re-scheduling of Marijuana, and that since 1988, the DEA has been, basically, in violation of its own mandated procedures "

It was not a judge advocate. It was an Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young. They used to be called "Hearing Examiners" -- federal lawyers who preside over a formal hearing on the record.

Administrative Law Judges have no authority to order squat. As a result of this hearing, this ALG made a recommendation to the head of the DEA. By ignoring the recommendation, the DEA violated nothing.

Marijuana may indeed contain chemicals that are medically beneficial. Smoked marijuana, however, has no accepted medical use in the U.S.

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