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Senate opens flag-burning debate
CNN.com ^ | 27 June 2006

Posted on 06/26/2006 6:09:02 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Senate began debate Monday on a proposed constitutional amendment that would prohibit the desecration of the American flag, the latest in a series of election-year votes pushed by the chamber's Republican leaders.

Observers give the flag amendment a better chance of passing than the one to ban same-sex marriages that was defeated earlier this month.

That was another vote aimed at mobilizing the GOP's conservative base before November's midterm elections.

A vote is expected this week, before the Fourth of July congressional recess.

Sen. Arlen Specter, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, compared the measure to Supreme Court decisions banning so-called "fighting words," slander, libel, obscenity and pornography involving children. As such, he said, it has no "social value."

"Flag burning is a form of expression that is spiteful or vengeful," the five-term Pennsylvania Republican said during the debate. "It is designed to hurt. It is not designed to persuade."

Sen. Patrick Leahy, the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, argued that burning the American flag was precisely the kind of speech the First Amendment is meant to protect.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 109th; amendment; congress; constitution; distraction; dogandponyshow; flag; flagburning; lookgoodfortherubes; oooshiny; panderbear; pandering; ussenate
I half expect one of the Dems to burn the flag in the Chamber...
1 posted on 06/26/2006 6:09:04 PM PDT by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

These wimps need only to look at Patriot Rick Monday... now that's love for your country.


2 posted on 06/26/2006 6:11:00 PM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Aussie Dasher

You beat me to it. I was just going to say, "open with what, burning a flag without a prayer?"

How perfect. Just in time for the 4th of July.


3 posted on 06/26/2006 6:14:34 PM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: Aussie Dasher

One, I can think about a dozen. Kennedy, Durbin, Kerry, Levin, Clinton, Boxer, Feingold, Harkin, Biden, Feinstein, Hagel, Jeffords


4 posted on 06/26/2006 6:15:17 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I'm not sure about this guys. The way I see it, it's just one more thing I can't do. This isn't expansion of freedom.

If we get another Clinton type president, I may want to burn a flag in protest.

Republicans should be working on more important issues.


5 posted on 06/26/2006 6:18:13 PM PDT by Crooked Constituent
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To: MNJohnnie

By debating flag burning, the United States Senate takes on the single most important issue facing America today. Thanks, guys !


6 posted on 06/26/2006 6:18:46 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Flag Burning is hardly an issue that mobilizes the GOP base. Most Republicans support it and have for a long time but I don't know any that get fired up and charge the polls about it. The electoral advantage of the issue is not its effect on the GOP base but rather its effect on the Democrats base. Those few remaining, beer drinking, NASCAR watching, America loving Democrats will once again be shown how far their parties values are from their own.


7 posted on 06/26/2006 6:23:37 PM PDT by azcap
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; Crooked Constituent

Considering what they did on their Illegal Immigration bill, I feel safer if the Senate sticks to things like Flag Burning, Gay Marriage etc.


8 posted on 06/26/2006 6:27:15 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Crooked Constituent

No matter what your political affilation, or level of anger, burning an American flag is just wrong. If not for yourself, just think for a moment of those that gave the last full measure to protect it from harm.

Even if we got worse than Clinton, burning an American flag is just wrong, and it means nothing except that a person burning it knows nothing of history, and has no respect for those that stood for the flag.


9 posted on 06/26/2006 6:31:20 PM PDT by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: alarm rider

Of course it is wrong. Many things are wrong. That does not mean they should necessarily be illegal.

Amendments to the Constitution should be reserved for only the most serious issues affecting the very life of the US. Flag burning sure as hell isn't one of them.

Personally I am rather offended at the insinuation that I am so stupid I will be distracted by this amendment that has 0 chance of passing and won't notice them trying to sneak amnesty past.


10 posted on 06/26/2006 6:43:48 PM PDT by rebelyell7
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To: alarm rider

Neither gay marriage nor flag-burning, no matter how outrageous, rise to the level of a thing requiring a Constitutional amendment. What we really need is repeal of the amendment which allowed the income tax, and laws restricting the courts from jurisdiction over certain areas. Nowhere in the Constitution do we find justification for the principle of judicial nullification of state and local laws and referenda. The courts are the problem, not the Constitution.


11 posted on 06/26/2006 6:44:50 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: Aussie Dasher

I dont think this amendment would be necessary if not for those idiotic Supreme court decisions that said Flag burning equates to free speech which it is not.

I think this amendment should be clear and let individual states decide on this issue, it Flag burning needs to banned so be it.


12 posted on 06/26/2006 6:50:09 PM PDT by GregH
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To: MNJohnnie
There are so many pressing problems and they waste our time with this ?
13 posted on 06/26/2006 6:57:57 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Ah yes, one of my Stupid Conservative tricks. This is so idiotic, I really hope I dont have to explain myself. I hate most flag burners, dont get me wrong, but it is assinine to "ban" it, except in as much as you can ban the burning of anything. This is really stupid...


14 posted on 06/26/2006 6:58:11 PM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: Aussie Dasher

Another "REALLY IMPORTANT" issue. Oh boy.


15 posted on 06/26/2006 7:01:57 PM PDT by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

You can always count on Arlen Sphincter to be on the wrong side of a debate. Thanks again Mr. bush.


16 posted on 06/26/2006 7:09:21 PM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"By debating flag burning, the United States Senate takes on the single most important issue facing America today. Thanks, guys !"

Too bad flags don't vote...eheheheh!


17 posted on 06/26/2006 7:19:16 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Aussie Dasher

The Senate is a bunch of overbloated no guts no glory windbags. If they had any stones marriage would be protected in the Constitution first....a far greater and weightier issue than pieces of patriotic cloth.


18 posted on 06/26/2006 7:27:11 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Umm you did read their solution to the "Illegal Immigration" issue right? Their Torture ban? their blocking of Soc Security reform?

Considering that as of Jan 2007, we will have a new Senate with a New Republican Leader (Frist is retiring) maybe it is better if this cureent Senate just runs out the clock instead of trying anymore "fixing".

Ok, that is being silly about a serious issue but I honestly think this current Senate would do more harm then good on any real issue.

19 posted on 06/26/2006 7:28:29 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Paradox

Considering what they pass when they try to "Fix" things I am surprised supposedly "Conservative-Libertarians" are not HAPPY they are wasting their time.


20 posted on 06/26/2006 7:30:04 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Fire Murtha Now! Spread the word. Support Diana Irey. http://www.irey.com/)
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To: Aussie Dasher

You wanna see protecton of speech? Someone arrange to burn the UN flag daily in front of the Capitol. Eh?


21 posted on 06/26/2006 7:46:52 PM PDT by Waco
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To: MNJohnnie

Freep Mitch McConnell's office, I've heard he has voted against it. Remember the Torch Bob Torricelli from NJ had voted for the Balanced Budget Amendment until it got within 1 vote of passing in 1996 and then voted against it.


22 posted on 06/26/2006 8:02:54 PM PDT by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
If it's a waste of time, it should go over unanimously and in short order.

Democrats hate this issue, as most every other issue they stand for but can't openly defend under serious scrutiny. They've got an entire counter-culture lunatic base to protect. Putting this to a vote is a symbolic gesture that they'll dread having to make. It makes them as nervous as having to defend gay marriage.

Whenever they say, 'This is irrelevant. Let's talk about something else', you've got them.

23 posted on 06/26/2006 8:19:12 PM PDT by eric_da_grate
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To: Crooked Constituent
Republicans should be working on more important issues.

We need to do away with a full-time, paid federal legislature, or at the very least ban refrigerated air conditioning in Washington, D.C.

24 posted on 06/26/2006 8:20:15 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: eric_da_grate
Whenever they say, 'This is irrelevant. Let's talk about something else', you've got them

Let me get this straight. You amend the Bill of Rights for short-term political gain on a whim.

25 posted on 06/26/2006 8:23:40 PM PDT by at bay ("We actually did an evil....." Eric Scmidt, CEO Google)
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To: Cinnamon
These wimps need only to look at Patriot Rick Monday... now that's love for your country.

Is Rick Monday that old baseball player, who when some hippie jumped on the field and burned a flag, he turned his head away and refused to look? I think I read it in Beckett a long time ago.

26 posted on 06/26/2006 10:46:24 PM PDT by youthgonewild
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To: Aussie Dasher
...another vote aimed at mobilizing the GOP's conservative base before November's midterm elections.

And, as such, it's a complete waste of time.

27 posted on 06/27/2006 2:59:32 AM PDT by Rudder
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To: youthgonewild

Yes! Yes, that is him! the whole stadium gave him a standing ovation. He was saying in an interview that when he saw that he just knew it was wrong and went for it. Had been a second late, the flag would have been engulfed in flames because when he picked it up, the flag was doused in lighter fluid and the hippie was holding the lighter to it.


28 posted on 06/27/2006 7:30:34 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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To: Aussie Dasher
What a waste of time. We have real issues like spending and our borders and the party elites want to have a pointless debate on an unnecessary amendment. They really have a low opinion of the base if they think they can just wave something like this in front of us before every election and we'll just happily go to the booth like nice little lemmings. Its insulting how little they think of us and our intelligence.

A flag burning amendment is a stupid thing to debate. For one when was the last time you actually saw a flag being burned? Heck when was the last time you even hear about it in your town? I've never seen one burned. Not once. Never. And if a few get burned a year, so what? How is that a threat to our democracy? Part of what makes us a strong country is that we tolerate offensive expression and don't place lots of government imposed burdens on the behaviors of our system. This sounds like a measure out of communist China or Sadaam's old iraq. A pathetic ploy.
29 posted on 06/27/2006 9:19:04 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: alarm rider

100% true. Burning a flag is wrong. So is insulting someone, or lying to your wife. But just because something is wrong or offensive doesn't mean it should be illegal in a free society.


30 posted on 06/27/2006 9:20:33 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: Aussie Dasher

Wow!!!!!!! The Pubbie leadership is pure genius bringing this out again to mobilize the base! This is sure gonna make me forget about the illegals, the bloated pork-barrel budgets and dig deep into my wallet for a contribution.


31 posted on 06/27/2006 9:25:16 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I'm so relieved that the Senate is talking about stopping this horrible epidemic of flag burning going on in this country. If something isn't done soon, we'll have no flags left to fly.


32 posted on 06/27/2006 9:26:19 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: alarm rider
No matter what your political affilation, or level of anger, burning an American flag is just wrong.

I agree. But throwing someone in prison for burning a flag is even worse.

33 posted on 06/27/2006 9:28:55 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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