Posted on 06/26/2006 10:40:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway
* investigated the 1985 murder of Leon Klinghoffer
* fought to transform New York City
* as a mob prosecutor, a crime fighting mayor or an entrepreneur, shown an ability to think creatively about solving problems.
Only thing missing is where the entrepreneur/erstwhile mayor actually foiled any terrorist plots, infiltrated any terrorist organizations, captured a terrorist, or killed a terrorist.
Note that the pattern is exactly the same among the Rudyophiles: exalt their guy to crusader-like status (sans bona fides) in order to appeal to our fears and disregard our morals.
I was at the local republican headquarters a couple of days ago when the county chair stated how happy she was to help set up a new chapter devoted to supporting Rudy for pres.
I asked her why, since he is not a republican, she insisted emphatically that he is, I responded that if he becomes the candidate I will leave the party, as I could never lift a finger to support such a RINO P.O.S.!
Same for McPain.
I am sick of "our party" taking us for granted, demanding we support whoever they anoint, and always threatening us with the liberal specter.
I remember that the republican party seemed to be more active and effective as the Minority than they are being now, when they are allegedly the Majority!
Where do I sign up to join the Paleo-Republican party, I have had about all the Neo-Con crapola I can take.
I agree that Allen would be a much better choice. Giuliani has done some good things, but he is pro choice and he seems to lack some moral character. I figure a guy that will cheat on his wife, won't have much trouble cheating in other areas too.
Don't worry, Giuliani will be sent packing once the primaries are held in the South and non-coastal western states.
Thankfully, I suspect that the Republicans who won't vote for Giuliani are in the minority. They just make a lot of noise here on this site.
Abortion isn't a Conservative issue though. Almost everyone who opposes Giuliani opposes him on moral grounds.
Alright. I just don't see how Giuliani could be any more "liberal" on stuff like illegal immigration and spending cuts than President Bush has been. I also don't want to see the Republican Party become only a party of the South and Rocky Mountains.
Finally, wouldn't it be hilarious for New York to be a red state in 08?
Nice, very nice, take. Just what you'd expect from the Everything-For-Us-Nothing-For-You CINO types.
Rudolfo failed on terror. Terror is not the number one issue for Americans. Immigration is, and Rudy failed that test, as well.
Rudy would be loathe to defend his immigration politics as Mayor. Giuliani sued all the way to the USSC to defend the city’s pre-911 sanctuary policy to thwart a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the then-INS.
Though he lost in court, Rudy remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, Rudy'a own boys---his handpicked charter-revision committee---ruled that NYC could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential "to preserve trust between immigrants and government." Six days later, on Sept 11, 2001, several foreigners who had overstayed their visas participated in the most devastating attack on New York City that our country had ever seen.
Rudy does only what is politically expedient for Rudy---like endorsing a Democrat---Mario Cuomo----for governor so Rudy would have a better path the the office.
Rudy has nada in common with the principles of the Republican Party, and he clearly despises conservatives. He is and always was a visceral liberal Democrat. Now with his ego eyeing the WH, he's trying to get a spine transplant to become a "moderate" Republican (gag).
"Thankfully, I suspect that the Republicans who won't vote for Giuliani are in the minority. They just make a lot of noise here on this site".
"...This will allow a conservative to actually win the primary, that is assuming conservatives dont split the vote either..."
That is assuming one runs.
I'm don't believe anyone who wants to take my guns away is interested in domestic security.
The equation is simple for many of us out here in flyover country, but the point has been apparently lost on all the speculators in the far eastern states and on the left side of my map of the CONUS as well. so permit me to reiterate:
THERE IS NO WAY I AM VOTING FOR ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS ANTI-GUN, PERIOD
Add in anti-life (pro-choice, whatever), pro gay, and you have a five star loser in this neck of the woods.
As for making progress in Noo Yawk, good. There was a lot of room for progress, imo, let him go back and make more.
One thing that is certain beyond controversy, George W. Bush will NOT be a candidate for re-election in 2008.
We want, we yearn for, a clone of Ronaldus Magnus to rise to the forefront, and redirect this country back to the glory days of the assertion of US superiority, and an Administration unafraid of carrying out that mandate.
That clone is not on the horizon. So we look around for the next best. Unh-unh, not over in the Dem'crat party for sure. The only ground for our search is among Republicans. There may be any number of Libertarians, or America-Firsters, or Conservative Union candidates, but face it, without the umbrella provided by one or the other of the two major parties, there is not a hope or prayer of ANYBODY managing to achieve the highest elective office in the land.
But they can play the ropes, and by selective choice among the minority parties, it is possible for a candidate with less than popular appeal, when faced with two stronger and more representative rivals, to play them off against each other, and manage a plurality with as little as 40% of the total vote. We had that situation in 1992, and paid for it then as we are STILL paying for it today.
So what we need is SUPPRESSION of ambitions by ego-driven men, a somewhat different proposition than urging a champion to get out there and make the bid of a lifetime. There are some who may call this "negative campaigning", but it is still a necessary winnowing of the wheat from the chaff.
And so far, we have had a lot of chaff thrown up into the wind.
Well, he sure had to do something to counteract the Dem's "Dig Up The Vote" effort.
Just remember such vice presidents as T.R., Andrew Johnson, Harry S. Truman etc. And you can't make the assumption that a Veep, whether for good or ill will remain Veep. Not an Option. Rudy can be senator from NY or go back to Mayor...(great job as mayor), but never the executive possition, he is far to liberal in the areas of gun control and the 'life' issue to be either Governor of NY or POTUS.
Just my $0.02
Wrong bunny! and this is why...this is what the RINO's do to repubs...and to America..and we know it here. You must have made a wrong term looking for the RINO website
Abortion is THE social conservative litmus test.
Almost everyone who opposes Giuliani opposes him on moral grounds.
Gun control, immigration, gay rights, and abortion. Guiliani is on the wrong side of 4 of the top issues that GOP voters vote on. The war on terror was the top issue, but unfortunately the issue is fading in the minds of voters.
I know this is a hot-buttom issue to all on this site. I commented on this once before that, while W & I don't agree on everything, I voted for him twice because he told me what he believed in and it was far closer to my values than the opponent. We can spew all the rhetoric we want at this point but the fact is, no one will be perfect for everyone. I live in the NY Metro area and know Rudy well. But I'll also do my research on Allen because he's a virtual unknown up here. I just hope everyone is willing to do the same.
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