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Giuliani and History (In the age of terror, he could be the best presidential candidate available)
The American Prowler ^ | 6/27/2006 | Philip Klein

Posted on 06/26/2006 10:40:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: karnage
I think the presidency is about leadership.

Leadership indicates a direction.
I'll not "follow" a "leader" who is goes in a direction I consider wrong.

Rudy didn't even do well here on our FR poll. Only McNuts did worse, (so far.)

41 posted on 06/27/2006 4:08:03 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: ASA Vet

"who is going" sheesh need that first cup of coffee.


42 posted on 06/27/2006 4:09:09 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
God save us if that neo national socialist POS ever becomes president. Kiss your second amendment rights goodbye. He embodies everything bad about the most liberal city in the most liberal state in the country.
43 posted on 06/27/2006 4:12:46 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government)
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To: nickcarraway
Most of the oldtimers know my Conservative credentials here, but I am becoming much more realistic this time.. I know all about Giuliani's stupid gay marriage, (unless he wants to marry one of them I don't give a damn) and gun stance (I believe he will take a back step on this one), and I understand the problems he had with his former wife (I don't blame him here, she was an evil wench, I know, I had one myself), he will be tough where it counts, crime and terror, and is a stand-up guy when the chips are down..

Nobody in this potential field of candidates can engender the strong coalitions to beat the Hildabeast, and lets face it the squishy center doesn't give a rats ass about most things and the die-hards will bend a bit in the end when they see the writing on the wall.. Giuliani is the only chance to garner wide support and avoid a congressional ass whippin, and another, much more diabolical Clinton for 8 more years..

44 posted on 06/27/2006 4:14:20 AM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: bilhosty

Interesting points. IIRC, Rudy actually was opposed to abortion early in his career, and it was supposedly his now ex-wife, Donna Hanover, who was responsible for his change on that and in fact his more liberal drift in general.

I suppose he could always change back again, or at least enough to adopt the GOP platform. And his having to court conservatives might be good for him and for us.


45 posted on 06/27/2006 4:20:35 AM PDT by livius
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To: Richard-SIA
I responded that if he becomes the candidate I will leave the party, as I could never lift a finger to support such a RINO P.O.S.!

Thanks for your Hillary endorsement, Perrot would be a good VP as well.. :)

46 posted on 06/27/2006 4:21:42 AM PDT by carlo3b ("Leave the gun, take the cannolis")
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To: nickcarraway

I am surprised by the poll at the right, George Allen v. Hillary. Almost 10% say they'd vote for a third party. How is it that George Allen can't even get pretty much unanimous support from Freepers in that fight?


47 posted on 06/27/2006 4:31:16 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
I am surprised by the poll at the right, George Allen v. Hillary. Almost 10% say they'd vote for a third party

A better indicator is to only look at FR members rather than the composite vote.

In the current Allen v Hillery poll, (members only,) 3rd party is at 7.7%
(Rudy was 20.8% (members only) in pushing folks to 3rd party.)

48 posted on 06/27/2006 4:50:52 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: Brilliant; All

I also expected a higher vote total for Allen.

Personally I'm all for Rudy in '08, but he's not such a popular candidate here.

I can accept some more liberal views on social issues. For me, the WOT is job #1. Job #2 is keeping the liberal Dumocrats out of any meaningful power. Anything past that is fairly meaningless to me.

I'd even support a McCain/Lieberman ticket. I think they are both decent enough men, and maybe the country could benefit with a bipartisan ticket.

I'm a former Reform Party guy though, so to me a RINO is just another candidate to consider.

Outside of Republican forums, you really don't hear that much about George Allen. I'm not so sure he is the best guy to lead a Republican ticket because he seems fairly low profile. In other words, he doesn't seem to have 'stepped up' to take the lead on many issues at all.


49 posted on 06/27/2006 4:51:18 AM PDT by Reform4Bush
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To: nickcarraway

Rudy would be awesome fighting the WOT, the only issue that matters. A democrat would be a disaster for the country.


50 posted on 06/27/2006 4:54:12 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: nickcarraway
George Allen would be the best candidate for '08. Rudy would be acceptable while McCain is a disastor.
51 posted on 06/27/2006 5:04:26 AM PDT by KenmcG414 (wHAT'ST)
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To: Smokin' Joe
"THERE IS NO WAY I AM VOTING FOR ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE WHO IS ANTI-GUN, PERIOD"

Not to mention considers NYC a sanctuary city for illegals.
52 posted on 06/27/2006 5:07:57 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: SDGOP

Mccaine ain'r running it's Rudy's to lose.


53 posted on 06/27/2006 5:08:21 AM PDT by Blackirish (Merry Fitzmas !!)
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To: tkathy
the WOT, the only issue that matters

I guess we can add that to the "one issue" list.

54 posted on 06/27/2006 5:09:32 AM PDT by ASA Vet (3.03)
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To: nickcarraway

......Giuliani is the best leader available to confront the terrorist threat, which is why the course of history points to his becoming president......

That is the best description of the issues I have seen.

All you single issue types must review what the man has done and rethink your objections. Rudy dredged up NY from the abyss and made it a liveable place. He was there and risked his life on 911.

Given the choice between Rudy and McCain, Rudy will win hands down. He has a real record of real action. He did not get pissed off and shot down as a result.


55 posted on 06/27/2006 5:15:23 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: SDGOP
......I"m with you there on george allen,"

I also think he is a good Rebulican candidate for president, but I would say that the majority of people have not even heard of George Allen, nor does he have an instantly recognizable face...George Allen has an extremely long way to go to gain the public's attention. But who knows, maybe he'll be a household name within a matter of time.

56 posted on 06/27/2006 5:31:50 AM PDT by Auntie Toots (The GOP is still the best we've got))
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To: Jameison

(((((PING)))


57 posted on 06/27/2006 5:34:47 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: jla
Don't worry, Giuliani will be sent packing once the primaries are held in the South and non-coastal western states.

Sorry but Guiuliani is polling way over every Republican in the South and Western states. All the Republican candidates are in the single digits except for McCain.

58 posted on 06/27/2006 5:39:10 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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To: Who is Truth?

I will sit out this election if McCain is the Presidential candidate.


You sound like the folks in Pennsylvania who won't vote for Senator Santorum because he made one error. Senator McCain is a very conservative Senator. It makes me wonder why we don't have 100 dem senators, 435 house members and the Democratic President. Sometimes it amazes me at people who will sit out of an election because they don't like what someone looks like or mad because he yells a bit. I guess another Clinton will look attractive to you just because we already survived eight years of Clintons doesn't mean we will survive eight more.


59 posted on 06/27/2006 5:41:00 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Brilliant
How is it that George Allen can't even get pretty much unanimous support from Freepers in that fight?

Because Allen Generates as much excitement as watching paint dry! He's totally boring. Sure he says what you want him to say and he can do many different with a football and a cowboy hat but when you listen to him he's quite boring! He can wear the hat but he can't generate the same excitement that Reagan or George Bush did when they wore them. They had personality and Charisma.

60 posted on 06/27/2006 5:41:45 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicans Are Like Diapers - Both Need To Be Changed Often And For the Same Reason!)
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