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"Intelligent design" legislation in New York dies
National Center for Science Education ^ | 26 June 2006 | Staff

Posted on 06/27/2006 3:41:53 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

When the New York State Assembly's legislative session ended on June 23, 2006, Assembly Bill 8036 died in committee. If enacted, the bill would have required that "all pupils in grades kindergarten through twelve in all public schools in the state ... receive instruction in all aspects of the controversy surrounding evolution and the origins of man." A later provision specified that such instruction would include information about "intelligent design and information effectively challenging the theory of evolution."

The bill was never expected to succeed; its sponsor, Assemblyman Daniel L. Hooker (R-District 127), was reported as explaining that his intention was more to spark discussion than to pass the bill, and as acknowledging that the bill was "religion-based." Moreover, Hooker is not planning on seeking a third term in the Assembly due to his military commitments: he is expected to be on active duty with the Marine Corps until at least early 2007.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: New York
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To: PatrickHenry

Jehovah's Witnesses everywhere are saddened.


41 posted on 06/27/2006 7:38:10 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
I don't believe you are not an ID'er.

Of course not. That would require a strict adherence to the facts, instead of projecting what you want to believe. That pretty much says it all, and sums up my point nicely.

Out of curiosity, do my negative views on Palestinian actions make me a defacto Jew?

Vice insisting that I'm an ID'er, you could just use a turn of phrase on a time honored slur, "ID lover!".

You know it is only a matter of time until these ID deviants begin an underground resistance of forbidden teaching in the public sector. Have you given much thought to punishment? These people need to be put in their place. (Like 'burning at the stake', this is known as hyperbole, it is often useful for pointing out the ludicrous to people who cannot see themselves as others do.)

42 posted on 06/27/2006 7:47:32 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: PatrickHenry

This is silly. The early grades (and especially kindergarten) are not an appropriate time for the abstract concepts involved in evolution and ID. The kids will have no idea what the teacher is talking about.

At this age a lot of children don't understand that if you change the shape of something, it still has the same mass and volume. Yet this assemblyman wants to introduce abstract concepts to them like descent with modification and "irreducible compexity" (whatever that might be).

Dumb.


43 posted on 06/27/2006 8:09:27 AM PDT by freespirited (A liberal is a person haunted by fear that someone, somewhere does not require government assistance)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


44 posted on 06/27/2006 8:12:11 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SampleMan

"Of course not. That would require a strict adherence to the facts, instead of projecting what you want to believe. That pretty much says it all, and sums up my point nicely."

No, it would be because I DO adhere to the evidence, and your posting history does not support you claim.

"You know it is only a matter of time until these ID deviants begin an underground resistance of forbidden teaching in the public sector."

Cry me a river.


45 posted on 06/27/2006 8:22:35 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Do you really oppose a critical examination of the evolutionary model (and its inadequacies) in the classroom?

I am curious. Why is evolution only singled out for "critical examination"? Why is not similar examination suggested for other scientific theories and principles taught at the high school -- or, as in the case of this legislation, kindergarten -- level?
46 posted on 06/27/2006 8:28:03 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Except that, I don't think there are any other aspects of theoretical science up for question like evolution,

Which pretty much sums up the motivations behind this garbage 'controversy':

String Theory: no legislation required
Global Warming: no legislation required
Evolution: Gotta pass some laws challenging this unproven theory! Call you congressman! It's for the children, after all...

48 posted on 06/27/2006 8:43:23 AM PDT by blowfish
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"Pixie theory of aerodynamics" placemark.
49 posted on 06/27/2006 8:51:46 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Except that, I don't think there are any other aspects of theoretical science up for question like evolution

Why, then, is evolution "up for question", and not any other aspect of science?
50 posted on 06/27/2006 8:56:11 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry

These "designed" idiots never cease to amaze me.


51 posted on 06/27/2006 8:56:48 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: PatrickHenry
If enacted, the bill would have required that "all pupils in grades kindergarten through twelve in all public schools in the state ... receive instruction in all aspects of the controversy surrounding evolution and the origins of man."

"The theory of evolution offends some people's religious sensibilities. Since religious opinions are not relevant to scientific inquiry, some people have constructed spurious "scientific" objections. The problems with these arguments are... [insert some of the points hashed out ad nauseam on these thereads]."

There. A nice succinct "instruction in all aspects of the controversy".

52 posted on 06/27/2006 9:05:43 AM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: JCEccles
Legislated "truth" is a brittle and hollow thing.

AFAIK, Assemblyman Hooker (the person who needs to hear this message) does not lurk here.

53 posted on 06/27/2006 9:09:10 AM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
It is my contention that ID actually lends credence to creationists, however.

No, it just makes them appear sneaky and dishonest.

scientists who are not approaching the field from a Christian perspective still observe problems too great to be met by naturalistic answers in the theory of evolution

..and of course you will either ignore any request to demonstrate a single one of these great problems you perceive or just ignore all the answers you get after swiping a quote from from one of the silly anti-science websites you dwell on.


54 posted on 06/27/2006 9:11:46 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: Dimensio; DaveLoneRanger
Why is evolution only singled out for "critical examination"?

The theory of evolution has been uniquely politicized, and thus "critical examination" raises red flags in a way that "critical examination" of, say, the theory of relativity doesn't.

To draw an analogy, the Theory of Evolution and the Theory of Relativity are both well-established scientific explanations, just as the Second Amendment and the Third Amendment are both well-established articles of the Bill of Rights. In each case, people are much touchier about the former than the latter, because the former is under sustained political attack while the latter is questioned only by an insignificant fringe of cranks.

55 posted on 06/27/2006 9:19:54 AM PDT by steve-b (Hoover Dam is every bit as "natural" as a beaver dam.)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
No, it would be because I DO adhere to the evidence, and your posting history does not support you claim

Really? All my posts (3000+)are available to you. Which one are you basing this on? Or is it just true because you're unwilling to accept that other possibilities might exist?

What would the world do without objective folk like you to tell them what they must think?

Cry me a river.

Crying? I was sympathizing with your plight. Its not easy keeping an iron grip on a doctrine of infallibility. You try to keep it pure, but before you know it, someone is off thinking on their own and even trying to convince other people. Such things just can't be tolerated. Perhaps a system of scientific excommunication could be used? Wait! Now that I think of it, its already being practiced by the Global Warming folks. There's nothing like using a working model.

56 posted on 06/27/2006 9:39:08 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
"Which one are you basing this on?"

The collective thrust of them. The mischaracterizations of evolution, evolutionary biologists, and your hyperbolic defenses of attacks on evolution from ID'ers.

"Crying? I was sympathizing with your plight."

You were whining like a democrat about the alleged persecution that was being done to ID'ers. It was pretty funny, in a pathetic sort of way.

"Its not easy keeping an iron grip on a doctrine of infallibility."

More persecution syndrome crap. No scientist is claiming to be infallible. They do correctly state though that ID is theology and not science and has no business being in a science classroom in a government school. That brings out the hysterics from people like you.

Boo hooo. I don't care.
57 posted on 06/27/2006 9:50:23 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
The collective thrust of them. The mischaracterizations of evolution, evolutionary biologists, and your hyperbolic defenses of attacks on evolution from ID'ers.

Translation:
Of my 3000+ posts you don't have a single one to point to, so you just punt with a wild assertion. That's typical.

You are the poster child of every point I've ever made about people that go way past the facts and demand adherence to their theories. So much so, that you do it in most every post.

Boo hooo. I don't care.

Of course you don't care. I believe you. I really do. Its not easy being you. Take a few deep breaths, yes, yes, I know you're not upset, just breath. Now don't worry, no one thinks you are irrational. Everything will be OK and those nasty ID hobgoblins will go away.

58 posted on 06/27/2006 10:09:47 AM PDT by SampleMan
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To: SampleMan
"Translation:
Of my 3000+ posts you don't have a single one to point to, so you just punt with a wild assertion. That's typical."

You attack evolution, with typical ID positions and mischaracterizations, and act like ID'ers are some kind of martyrs because they can't get their crap into science classrooms. Don't insult our intelligence.

"Of course you don't care. I believe you. I really do."

Yes, I don't care about your whining hysterics.

"Its not easy being you."

For you maybe. As it takes some integrity, I can see why you would have trouble with it.
59 posted on 06/27/2006 10:15:50 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
They do correctly state though that ID is theology and not science and has no business being in a science classroom in a government school. That brings out the hysterics from people like you.

So you didn't read the post I linked to you. Well, I'm not surprised. Its easier to deal with your demons I guess, if you can shove them all into one box.

Interestingly, when I posted roughly the equivalent to what you say above, I got not one single nasty hysterical response from any IDers. You stand alone in that category.

60 posted on 06/27/2006 10:18:00 AM PDT by SampleMan
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