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Smokers' airline ready for take-off
Telegraph.CO.UK ^ | 6-27-06 | Kate Connolly

Posted on 06/27/2006 4:38:32 AM PDT by SheLion

A German businessman has founded an airline dedicated to smokers.

Smintair, or Smokers' International Airways, aims to cater for smokers who feel excluded in an age when all major airlines have banned the habit.

A Dusseldorf-Tokyo service is due to begin in October and is expected to serve mainly Japanese businessmen.

Smintair's founder, Alexander Schoppmann, a 30-a-day man, said: "There are no laws banning smoking on board. The airlines have made these rules themselves because no-smoking planes are cheaper. It means you don't have to change the air filter system so regularly."


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The airlines have made these rules themselves because no-smoking planes are cheaper. It means you don't have to change the air filter system so regularly.

Which has proven to be un true.  People are getting sicker on more planes today then ever before.  The filters aren't changed as often and the passengers are breathing in the same old sick air. 

1 posted on 06/27/2006 4:38:43 AM PDT by SheLion
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2 posted on 06/27/2006 4:39:16 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
YEAH! Let's get some more routes on that ASAP.

I hate those flights back and forth across The Pond with no ciggies.

3 posted on 06/27/2006 4:43:36 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Allegra
I hate those flights back and forth across The Pond with no ciggies.

Heck!  I hated that 2.5 hour flight just from Boston to DC!!!!!!!!!!  ugh

They served breakfast, then I had to just sit there with my coffee until we landed.  Felt like I was in a reform school!

4 posted on 06/27/2006 4:46:15 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

As sure as I sit here, this airline will make huge $$$$$.

I know my hubby would fly it.


5 posted on 06/27/2006 4:46:40 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: netmilsmom
As sure as I sit here, this airline will make huge $$$$$.

I know my hubby would fly it.

It would be wonderful if more millionaires would invest in a smoking airline.  They would make TONS of money!!!!  I have no doubt!!!

6 posted on 06/27/2006 4:49:12 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: netmilsmom; SheLion
As sure as I sit here, this airline will make huge $$$$$.

Maybe we should buy shares...

Is it publicly traded?

7 posted on 06/27/2006 4:49:38 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: Gabz; SheLion

holy moly! You two were just posting this idea on a restaurant thread last week!


8 posted on 06/27/2006 4:50:56 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SheLion

I think that this may actually be a turning point.
All we ever see is Non-smoking businesses. When this takes off, businessmen WILL look. Smoking businesses will pop up.

And whether I'm with smokers or not, I will go there just to support our freedoms!!!!


9 posted on 06/27/2006 5:03:57 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: SheLion

Fly-Rights continued...

Smoking

On U.S. airlines, you are guaranteed a no-smoking seat worldwide.

Under U.S. government rules, smoking is prohibited on all domestic
scheduled-service flights except for flights over six hours to or from
Alaska or Hawaii. This ban applies to domestic segments of international
flights, on both U.S. and foreign airlines (e.g., the Chicago / New York
leg of a flight that operates Chicago/ New York / London). The ban does
not apply to nonstop international flights, even during the time that
they are in U.S. airspace (e.g., a Chicago / London flight). The
prohibition applies in the passenger cabin and lavatories, but not in
the cockpit.

Smoking is also banned on other scheduled-service flights by U.S.
airlines that are operated with planes seating fewer than 30 passengers
(e.g., certain commuter flights to Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean).
Cigar and pipe smoking is banned on all U.S.-carrier flights (scheduled
and charter, domestic and international).

The following rules apply to U.S. airlines on flights where smoking is
not banned (e.g. international flights, domestic charter flights). These
regulations do not apply to foreign airlines; however, most of them
provide non-smoking sections (although they may not guarantee seating
there or expand the section).

The airline must provide a seat in a non-smoking section to every
passenger who asks for one, as long as the passenger complies with the
carrier's seat assignment deadline and procedures. (Standby passengers
do not have this right.)

If necessary, the airline must expand the non- smoking section to
accommodate the passengers described above.

The airline does not have to provide a non-smoking seat of the
passenger's choice. It doesn't have to seat you with your traveling
companion, and you don't have the right to specify a window or aisle
non- smoking seat. Also, the airline is not required by this rule to
provide advance seat assignments before the flight date in the
non-smoking section, as long as they get you into the non-smoking
section on the day of your flight.

The flight crew must act to keep passengers from smoking in the
non-smoking sections. However, smoke that drifts from the smoking
section into the non-smoking section does not constitute a violation.

No smoking is allowed while an aircraft is on the ground or when the
ventilation system is not fully functioning.

Carriers are not required to have a smoking section. An airline is free
to ban smoking on a particular flight, or on all of its flights.

None of the regulations described in this chapter apply to charter
flights performed with small aircraft by on-demand air taxi operators.


10 posted on 06/27/2006 5:04:14 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Allegra

You're a smart one, you are!


11 posted on 06/27/2006 5:05:29 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: SheLion

Anyone who chooses an airline because it allows smokers is an idiot. What about price, on-time arrival, safety etc.?


12 posted on 06/27/2006 5:06:01 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal (8)
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To: SheLion

I hope it's a success. The free market should handle these issues, not the government.


13 posted on 06/27/2006 5:08:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("Wallow in poverty, you whining gerbil! They're taking everyone's money!" ~dljordan)
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To: Calpernia; Gabz
holy moly! You two were just posting this idea on a restaurant thread last week!

hehe

14 posted on 06/27/2006 5:08:50 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
Anyone who chooses an airline because it allows smokers is an idiot. What about price, on-time arrival, safety etc.?

Aw, screw it. My "commute" between home and work is about 23 hours. I want a smoke every now and then on that long commute.

Watch this poster take me dead seriously. ;-)

15 posted on 06/27/2006 5:11:40 AM PDT by Allegra (I'm Shizophrenic. No, I'm Not. Yes, I Am. No, I'm NOT. Are TOO. Am NOT.)
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To: netmilsmom
And whether I'm with smokers or not, I will go there just to support our freedoms!!!!

And you my FReeper Friend, are a sweetheart with common sense!


16 posted on 06/27/2006 5:15:44 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: netmilsmom
>>>I think that this may actually be a turning point.

I will cross my fingers....but I'm afraid the other airlines with lock arms and pressure the airports to refuse landing of this innovative entrepreneur.
17 posted on 06/27/2006 5:18:11 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: R.W.Ratikal
Anyone who chooses an airline because it allows smokers is an idiot. What about price, on-time arrival, safety etc.?

LOL!  And what about the same thing for the hundreds of private jets parked in the hangers? hehe!

How about asking this question of all the private jet owners?  heh???  THEY sure have no problems, DO they!

18 posted on 06/27/2006 5:18:26 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Tax-chick

I hope it's a success. The free market should handle these issues, not the government.

Amen!


19 posted on 06/27/2006 5:19:20 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Allegra
Don't worry. He has been on my list for quite some time now.
20 posted on 06/27/2006 5:20:50 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion
A Dusseldorf-Tokyo service is due to begin in October and is expected to serve mainly Japanese businessmen.

If they market this adroitly, I think that this could be a success.

21 posted on 06/27/2006 5:21:29 AM PDT by snowsislander
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To: Calpernia; netmilsmom
I will cross my fingers....but I'm afraid the other airlines with lock arms and pressure the airports to refuse landing of this innovative entrepreneur.

Well, I am sure there is plenty of smoking on private jets.  This isn't a flag ship carrier anyway, so I doubt if the owner is worried much.

22 posted on 06/27/2006 5:22:41 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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" People are getting sicker on more planes today then ever before. "

Please post data to support this.


23 posted on 06/27/2006 5:23:39 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII
Please post data to support this.

Oh I will!  You can COUNT on it!

24 posted on 06/27/2006 5:25:49 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: SheLion

>>>This isn't a flag ship carrier anyway

What is a flag ship carrier?


25 posted on 06/27/2006 5:26:25 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: SheLion
and I would support this freedom by NOT flying on this airline.

crikey...I'm not a smoker, so I would probably opt for another airline, right? HOWEVER, why can't smokers enjoy a flight on a smoking flight?

(sorry...making my blood boil this morning!....)

26 posted on 06/27/2006 5:26:47 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: SheLion

This thing will get a ton of business.


27 posted on 06/27/2006 5:28:12 AM PDT by KoRn
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To: SheLion

I seem to recall a guy trying this in the US in the early 90's. Didn't last too long.


28 posted on 06/27/2006 5:37:30 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: SheLion

This is a great idea.

What I want to see is a no-security airline, an airline with no x-ray, preflight screening, baggage search, or other "security" hassle. Passengers simply walk straight onto the plane after signing a release indemnifying the carrier should anything bad happen during the flight. Security becomes the responsibility of the passengers.

Better yet, the airline could just issue each passenger a sidearm and seven rounds of ammunition as they got on the plane. I'd like to see a terrorist try to hijack an airplane full of armed passengers...


29 posted on 06/27/2006 5:42:20 AM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Calpernia
What is a flag ship carrier?

A United States carrier/airline.  Not foreign.

United, Delta, etc

30 posted on 06/27/2006 5:53:35 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: ZinGirl
I'm not a smoker, so I would probably opt for another airline, right? HOWEVER, why can't smokers enjoy a flight on a smoking flight?

Well, calm down. :)  "Some" of our fellow FREEPERS are not so tolerate of we that smoke.  And they don't care WHAT party we support. heh!

31 posted on 06/27/2006 5:56:05 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: Raycpa

"Under U.S. government rules, smoking is prohibited on all domestic scheduled-service flights except for flights over six hours to or from Alaska or Hawaii."

Another example that you do not own your private property in America, but must operate it in a manner that pleases the Marxist whims of Big Brother.


32 posted on 06/27/2006 6:09:08 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: SheLion

I thought a Flag Ship carrier was the one that carried the flag of that nation (i.e. government-affiliated), which would not include the ones you mentioned.


33 posted on 06/27/2006 6:10:02 AM PDT by August West (To each according to his ability, from each according to his need...)
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To: sergeantdave

That rule is due to the commerce clause you hold near and dear to your heart.


34 posted on 06/27/2006 6:11:07 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: SheLion
Well, calm down

see....this is where a cigarette would come in handy (snort). ;)

(only because it's too early for a margarita)

35 posted on 06/27/2006 6:14:49 AM PDT by ZinGirl
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To: Raycpa

I see you're feeling hyperbolic this morning.


36 posted on 06/27/2006 6:14:53 AM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: SheLion

Oh, thank you!


37 posted on 06/27/2006 6:15:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: VoiceOfBruck
I seem to recall a guy trying this in the US in the early 90's. Didn't last too long.

I thought so too. I just came across a 1993 article about "Smoker's Express". They got around the laws by making passengers members of a private club.

In the U.S. this concept only works if you have enough fliers who meet all of the following: (a) are serious smokers (not the occasional social smoker), (b) find the one flight time convenient, (c) are traveling alone or exclusively with other smokers, (d) find the pricing competitive, and (e) need to get from city A to city B.

This quickly limits the number of potential customers.

38 posted on 06/27/2006 6:20:13 AM PDT by DonnDe
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To: R.W.Ratikal

Buzz off...


39 posted on 06/27/2006 6:20:40 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: SheLion

Hehehehe!

You should have seen the fight I had on one of the Homeschooling discussion boards.
Someone came in with a petition to restrict smoking in all public places.
I told them that this is not something that the Homeschoolers should be involved with as we could easily be government regulated ourselves. The government needs to stay out of our private lives and if one doesn't like smoking, go to a non-smoking restaurant.
At first, people hollered, using all the old "I can't stand smoke" crap.
I keep pushing the personal freedom idea. That the government could come in and say that "Unschooling" is wrong or "Classical Homeschooling" needs more regulation. Each of these homeschooling families have personal freedoms and need to lay low. We are in MI, where homeschooling is easy. With government regulation, our lives could be he!!.

One Unschooler came in and understood. Then another, then a family that uses a Christian Curriculm, and like a bulb going off, it dawned on them that, Yes it could be us next.

The debate was shut down.


40 posted on 06/27/2006 6:31:21 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: R.W.Ratikal

What about freedom?


41 posted on 06/27/2006 6:36:10 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: netmilsmom

"Yes it could be us next."

What, a drive to stop homeschooling in public places?


42 posted on 06/27/2006 6:37:15 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: netmilsmom

WOW! What an awesome comparison.

It's heartening to know that there are people out there who can actually see the forest through the trees.


43 posted on 06/27/2006 6:38:11 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have)
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To: August West
I thought a Flag Ship carrier was the one that carried the flag of that nation (i.e. government-affiliated), which would not include the ones you mentioned.

Well, actually you are right.  It is the carrier of any country that has their own airlines.  I am so stuck on the United States that what I wrote came out wrong.

So, yes, you are right.  i.e. Egyptian Air is the "flag carrier" of Egypt, etc.  Thank you! :)

44 posted on 06/27/2006 6:38:41 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: netmilsmom

;) well done


45 posted on 06/27/2006 6:45:24 AM PDT by patton (...in spit of it all...)
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To: netmilsmom

Am I the only one that remembers McClain(sp?) Airlines from the mid-80's???

NYC-Midway-to Phx/L.a. after the original smoking ban. I think they lasted 6 months?


46 posted on 06/27/2006 6:49:00 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Liberalism-What a Pagan Religion...)
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To: B-Chan
Security becomes the responsibility of the passengers.

If you can stand the language full of "F-bombs" and other assorted language not usually heard in polite company

The Kid From Brooklyn expounds on Bat Day at Yankee Stadium and airline security.

47 posted on 06/27/2006 6:52:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Gone GF

>>What, a drive to stop homeschooling in public places?<<

Hehehehe!
Sometimes, I wouldn't doubt it.


48 posted on 06/27/2006 7:19:45 AM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: SheLion
Smintair, or Smokers' International Airways, aims to cater for smokers who feel excluded in an age when all major airlines have banned the habit.

It's Sminty fresh!

SD

49 posted on 06/27/2006 7:32:57 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SheLion

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 06/27/2006 8:12:53 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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