Skip to comments.They’re their own worst enemies: See Murtha, Times self-destruct
Posted on 06/27/2006 6:34:12 AM PDT by cloud8
Prosecute The New York Times and censure Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.)? I have a better idea: Sit back and watch them self-destruct.
Murtha and The New York Times have done more to aid the fight for Republicans to retain their House and Senate majorities in the last couple of days than Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman could possibly do all year.
But no one, not even the guys who are so devoted to the GOP that they wear elephants on their ties, should be cheering.
What has been lost by Murthas rantings and the Times irresponsibility can never be regained by electoral victory in the fall. But nor will they regain what they have lost by their own words and actions - the moral high ground.
Lets start with the Times. We are less safe today from terrorist attack than we were before the Times disclosed the existence of the National Security Agencys terrorist surveillance program.
We are more in danger today because The New York Times and other outlets disclosed that American intelligence has access to foreign banking transactions.
Combined, these two programs gave American officials tools they did not have before Sept. 11 to track and disrupt terrorist plots before thousands die.
By the Times own admission, the penetration into international banking networks helped track down the Bali bombers.
How many more innocent young lives were saved, as a result, from a similar fate in other discos in other terrorist strongholds or, as possible, in a nightclub in New York?
Before the Times revealed the two security programs, literally in black and white, al-Qaeda and its allies did not know, could no know for sure, how best to avoid detection.
They know now.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bostonherald.com ...
Are not the LA and NY Times publicly traded stocks? Are there not laws which make it illegal for a company to actively work against the best interests of its stock holders? Has not the personal bias of those high up in both organizations driven down the value of the stocks and thus work at odds against those who finance the organizations? I say stock holders should sue to recoup their losses caused by those who hold their personal biases in higher regard than the welfare of the stock holders.
Ive no doubt most Americans respect Murthas valor in Vietnam.
Murtha was a glorified clerk in search of a wound and a militarty legacy for his political future, just like Kerry and Gore.
You're not kidding about that ping list!
Meaning what? How quickly I included you on it? :-)
Nothing like good customer service!
I am a professional! ;)
Time to put the NY Times on the terrorist watch list.
Gore would have probably gotten a Purple Heart too if he could have just figured out how to wound himself with an empty M-16.
I smell a bumper sticker:
Has the New York Times Made You More Safe?
> Murtha was a glorified clerk in search of a wound and a militarty legacy for his political future, just like Kerry and Gore.
True, Murtha lets people think he fought side by side with Sylvester Stallone. It's a cliche of the times that a journalist has to tip his hat to a vet.
Mine would be:
NYT...BRINGING BACK THE TERROR
NYT- Protecting the Rights Of Terrorists since 9-11-01
That is part of the issue that Ann Coulter addressed up when she criticized Sheehan and the Jersey girls, the tactic of the left of creating certain classes we can't debate because of their self-adopted status of untouchable.
The left saw how much mileage the right got from legitimate heroes so they co-opted some of their own.
Note my new tag line I started using earlier today.
The New York Times has lots of dirty laundry, especially in their history of "Pulitzer" winners. The case of Walter Duranty covering Stalin comes to mind. To my knowledge, Pinch still hasn't revoked the Pulitzer, even after NYT acknowledged it was a mistake and with much public pressure.
PARSIPPANY, N.J. - From North America to Russia, from India to Argentina, in newspapers and magazines, on radio and television, and online in various publications and discussion groups, the case of Walter Duranty continues to be in the headlines.
The Chicago Tribune of June 25, published a story by Senior Correspondent Charles Leroux, who reported that "In 1932, the Pulitzer Prize went to a foreign correspondent who concealed a famine and the deaths of millions. Ukrainians want that prize revoked."
Headlined "Bearing witness," the story focuses on one survivor of the Great Famine, Anatole Kolomayets of Chicago, and his reaction to the Duranty debacle. "He does not belong with the honest men. It [awarding the prize to Duranty] was shameful," Mr. Kolomayets told the Tribune.
Mr. Leroux wrote that "Duranty had made a deal with what turned out to be the devil. In 1929, an exclusive interview with Stalin secured him tremendous influence in his profession. ... In exchange for continued precious access to the Kremlin, he agreed to report favorably on Stalin's plan to raise industrial and agricultural productivity and the standard of living for citizens of the USSR."
Too bad for the Democraps that they hate GW so much. A Democrap candidate for President could innoculate himself/herself from the label of being weak on national security by pushing for and getting prosecution of the NYT and involved people under 18 USC 798. It would be an "only Nixon can go to China" incident. Won't happen, though -- their hatred of GW simply runs too deep to do something like that because it would be supportive of GW's position on the issue.
I heard somewhere that the 'family' is the major stock-holder in the NYCrimes...
I would assume that alerting their major advertisers of our deepening displeasure would be a better solution...
but there are soooooo many of those advertisers..
what do you say, KB?
Ms. Buckingham hit the nail on the head. The heinous acts that Jack Murtha and the New York Times committed are beyond redemption.
The self destruction of the Times will have to slowly take its course but all of us can help in the self destruction of Murtha by supporting Diana Irey who will unseat him come November.
Realistically, does anyone believe that the NYT will ever be prosecuted and if so, due to the First Amendment, will it ever fly?
I'd really like some feedback on this.
> Realistically, does anyone believe that the NYT will ever be prosecuted and if so, due to the First Amendment, will it ever fly?
I've posted before, if the Administration lifts a finger there will be a First Amendment case that will rock the nation. The Times, longing for a Watergate type scandal to topple the Administration, would revel in this, and old media would fall in behind them for their last hurrah.
Besides speaking out to chastise the Times for its reckless disclosure, as the President and Secretary Snow have done, I would think the next step is for DOJ to find who leaked the classified info, subpoena documents from the paper to see if any laws had been broken...but like the Plame affair--which in retrospect seems to have been a shot fired across the bow, that'll take a special prosecutor and three years.
I'm surprised there has been no talk of congressional hearings on the matter.
NY Times to New York: Drop Dead!
The New York Times: Al-Jazeera West
Screw 9/11 -- The New York Times
I like it!!!
In election year? Not a chance. And Arlen Specter has already thrown a protective arm around the Times. So even the Repubs aren't united.
new tag, thank you very much....
You're welcome. :)
I call for congressional hearings, a special prosecutor assigned, and Alberto Gonzalez to investigate into the violation of laws pertaining to classified data. We should demand that Gonzalez empanel a grand jury and subpoena everyone involved in the leaks, including Lichtblau, Risen, Keller, the reporters and editors at the Los Angeles Times, and all of the relevant personnel at the CIA and Pentagon with access to this information. If they will not reveal thier sources, they should be imprisoned until they do. We need our elected representatives to start taking national-security leaks seriously.
The President was giving us the lead in his speech the other day.
He described the actions of the NYT in very negative terms.
He is letting the Justice Department do what is legally allowed to put a stop to it.
BUT. The only real action is the one that WE do.
We must get their Board members to realize they are going under if they do not correct the leadership/management problem they have.
I don't want CBS, NYT, etc. going down in flames. Many people would be out of work. Many of those people are innocent in all this.
The problem comes from the TOP. This is a private issue, and not one the government can solve. The Media, as long as it can make profit from influence-peddling to the power-mad in political positions, will continue to do so. The market is there.
President Bush is overseeing the correct administration of the Department of Justice, and the investigative agencies (FBI, NSA,GSA,etc) in following the law and prosecuting those who don't. There has been more activity behind the curtains (meaning the media didn't report it) than you are likely aware of.
For instance, before the 2nd new director or the FBI was sworn in, IIRC, over 50% of the staff had been terminated. (I think the figure was higher, but won't argue it without finding the proper figure first).
Demanding the President take out the NYT is asking him to step, IMHO, over the line. A line we won't like crossed, when we see the results of leaders who don't have the legal standards, morals, and convictions of our current President.
The NYT is part of a company that lives in the private sector, the capitalism that we are so known for.
That is OUR territory, and not the governments'.
As the stockholders start complaining, heads will roll.
This is the American way, not forcing our President to go beyond the law to solve a problem that is truly personal.
That we swallow the pigslop the MSM feeds us is our own fault. They have been doing so ever since the first magistrate found it could help 'control' the masses.
We have this tool, the INTERNET, that is helping us defeat our enemy, which is named IGNORANCE.
That is how we solve this problem.
Then, we can stand up for right, and against wrong.
It has always been choosing and standing up for one or the other. We must not expect 'others' to do our fighting for us. If you take a 'bye', it means you lose.
Yes. Because the Democrats used it for political gain, no matter who it hurt.
"Good Bless everyone who fought there. They were fighting blindfolded with one hand tied behind their backs, and they kicked butt and took names."
Needs to be said, over and over.
like your style.
Murtha has got to go!!!
America failed our veterans, as they did the people of Vietnam. It can never happen again. Iraq will not be another Vietnam because we won't let it happen again. The Job of all Freepers is to write the editors, not let the stupid snide remark slide, and vote, not just in the ballot box, but with out feet and our money. Us in Uniform, we'll take care of the rest. God Bless
NYT Next Pulitzer: We are da Bomb!
It can never happen again. Iraq will not be another Vietnam because we won't let it happen again.
God Bless you and keep you Soldier! Thank you for your service to our country, for without men (yes - MEN not boys or kids) like you, we would surely fall.
The more I hear about this "Times" disclosure the more I am unimpressed.
1st of all, the President said he would use all means to get at the terrorists; financial, telephonic, electronic, foreign assistance....
It was disclosed from DAY 1!
NSA, financial tracking....this is not NEWS!
What it is I have not figured out, except that it is PRETENSE. And, again, I do not know why!
> One reason is to MISLEAD!
> You tell the enemy that your efforts have been harmed so that you disclose efforts that have minimal effectiveness thereby leading your enemy into a sense of comfort and making a fresh mistake.
> It is all a Chess game.
In that case, in the last two moves Team Bush has taken the enemy's Rook (Zarkawi) and Knight (NYT--if by thus misleading the Old Grey Whore, Pinch, Keller, et al. are dispatched). There are still the Bishops (imams & mullas) and the Queen (Iran's nutcase) till OBL is checkmated. Trouble is, when the Pawns blow themselves up, they keep reappearing...hopefully this will end when the enemy's back row is eliminated...and well before one of his Pawns converts to Queen.
But the next move belongs to Bush.
"But the next move belongs to Bush."
And the Evil Genius Karl Rove.
Actually, I think Dick Cheeney is the chessmaster here.
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