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Cannabis as bad as heroin, warns UN drugs watchdog
The Scotsman ^ | 27 June 2006 | GERRI PEEV

Posted on 06/27/2006 9:09:47 AM PDT by Fractal Trader

THE drugs watchdog of the United Nations has rebuked the UK government's policy change on cannabis, saying it sent a confusing message to young people.

UN experts also warned that a major increase in the potency of cannabis means it now poses health risks similar to those of heroin.

The decision to reclassify cannabis as a Class C drug - made by the Home Secretary in 2004 - was implicitly criticised by Antonio Maria Costa, the executive director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime, who warned of the growth in its use.

Cannabis had become more potent in the past few decades and governments that maintained inadequate policies got the "drug problem they deserve", Mr Costa said in the 2006 World Drug Report.

"Policy reversals leave young people confused as to just how dangerous cannabis is," he added. "

The cannabis pandemic, like other challenges to public health, requires consensus, a consistent commitment across the political spectrum and by society at large."

He warned governments against playing party politics with the classification of cannabis as its harmful effects were "no longer that different" to the damage caused by cocaine and heroin.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


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Frankly, I haven't smoked pot in ages, but I think that it is far less harmful than alcohol, especially when you look at the traffic fatalities.

This just sounds like scare tactics to me.

1 posted on 06/27/2006 9:09:51 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: Fractal Trader

I smoke pot like a chimney in High School and had no long term problems except for memory loss and some other...things...which I can't quite remember...


2 posted on 06/27/2006 9:11:41 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (If you build it, they won't come...)
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To: Fractal Trader

Selling coke to the overpaid UN staff has to be a real money machine.


3 posted on 06/27/2006 9:12:45 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Fractal Trader
If the UN says it's bad, then it must be good.

Roll up a fat one and pass it around!

4 posted on 06/27/2006 9:13:23 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: Fractal Trader

Hell, pot isn't even as dangerous as nicotine, and anyone who knows anything about it knows that. One more stake in the credibility of the UN.


5 posted on 06/27/2006 9:13:36 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: Fractal Trader
Cannabis as bad as heroin

BS.
6 posted on 06/27/2006 9:13:58 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Fractal Trader
Frankly, I haven't smoked pot in ages, but I think that it is far less harmful than alcohol, especially when you look at the traffic fatalities.

The problem is they are making pot to be much more addictive and much more potent that it use to be.

7 posted on 06/27/2006 9:15:50 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right

Addictive??? You have some evidence?


8 posted on 06/27/2006 9:18:10 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Fractal Trader
Good Lord! Even heroin isn't as bad as heroin.

These constant scare tactics on every single aspect of life have done their job on me. I now plan to drink whiskey while eating a stick of butter and getting a tan. I won't be wearing a helmet or using a seat belt while I do this.

Take that, UN nannies!
9 posted on 06/27/2006 9:19:47 AM PDT by Gingersnap
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To: Mikey_1962

um yeah i know what you mean man . . . stuff.


10 posted on 06/27/2006 9:20:51 AM PDT by Big Guy and Rusty 99 ("Conspiracy theories are the products of feeble minds." - A. Horvet)
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To: Always Right

This thread wouldn't be complete without at least one canard!


11 posted on 06/27/2006 9:21:01 AM PDT by thoughtomator (Famous last words: "what does Ibtz mean?")
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To: Mikey_1962

"I smoke pot like a chimney in High School "

So did I and my memory is still perfect. In fact it is so good that I can't even remember the last I forgot something.


12 posted on 06/27/2006 9:23:37 AM PDT by JusticeForAll76
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To: Fractal Trader
The day anyone takes anything the UN says seriously is a day the person DID hallucinogenics! Especially when it comes to drugs. Sounds like someone just needed to have a few words for a special day.
13 posted on 06/27/2006 9:24:26 AM PDT by blu (People, for God's sake, think for yourselves)
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To: Always Right
The problem is they are making pot to be much more addictive and much more potent that it use to be

The only people who believe that are the ones who couldn't get good quality pot in high school or college.

Yes - the good stuff is now more available. But it was also available back "then" if you knew where to look.

14 posted on 06/27/2006 9:24:29 AM PDT by gdani
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To: Always Right
The problem is they are making pot to be much more addictive and much more potent that it use to be.

Pot is not more addictive than it was before. There aren't any new chemicals in marijuana that make it more addictive than it was in the past. It is stronger than it was before. That actually makes it a little safer, as people don't need to smoke as much material (all smoking material is carcinogenic) to get the same effect. Not that I think any of that matters - if someone wants to smoke marijuana and is aware of the risks to themselves and others, I think they should be allowed to, even if it is more addictive and stronger than it used to be.
15 posted on 06/27/2006 9:26:31 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: thoughtomator
This thread wouldn't be complete without at least one canard!

Sorry, but could you point out what is not true. It is more potent and it is addictive. Just because it is not as addictive as some drugs like nicotine or cocaine, does not mean it is not addictive.

16 posted on 06/27/2006 9:27:20 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
It is more potent and it is addictive.

If you mean addictive like food and sex are addictive, i.e. "psychologically addictive", then sure. But so is anything fun.

But more potent? No. The good stuff was always around.

17 posted on 06/27/2006 9:30:27 AM PDT by Dominic Harr (Conservative = Careful, as in 'Conservative with money')
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To: gdani
"Yes - the good stuff is now more available."

And much CHEAPER, too!

(Or so I've heard.)

Who can say that after billions and billions of dollars of spending there has been no progress in the "War on Drugs"?

18 posted on 06/27/2006 9:30:35 AM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: Fractal Trader
In August 2007 I will have smoked pot for 50 years.

Raised two daughters as a single parent. One's a lawyer and the other is an MBA.

Designed and built some of the biggest federal, military and commercial databases in the world.

Taught a six prestigious universities. Am published.

I have no medical or physical problems.
19 posted on 06/27/2006 9:31:39 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Fractal Trader

What a joke. These idiots must think we're stupid.


20 posted on 06/27/2006 9:31:39 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Always Right
Sorry, but could you point out what is not true. It is more potent and it is addictive. Just because it is not as addictive as some drugs like nicotine or cocaine, does not mean it is not addictive.

Masturbation, Voting Democrat, and gambling do not rely on external chemistry, yet seem to form persistant habits.

The first two, of course, are syngergistic...

21 posted on 06/27/2006 9:32:12 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: Sooth2222
Who can say that after billions and billions of dollars of spending there has been no progress in the "War on Drugs"?

From what I can gather, the increased amount of trouble high-schoolers have in getting alcohol ensures there will always be young & willing consumers for the marijuana market.

22 posted on 06/27/2006 9:32:39 AM PDT by gdani
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To: gdani
The only people who believe that are the ones who couldn't get good quality pot in high school or college. Yes - the good stuff is now more available.

First you disagree, then you basically agree. If the 'good stuff' is much more available, then pot has become more potetent to the average user. Growers are getting better and the 'good stuff' is more available. It is even likely that the 'good stuff' is even better today.

23 posted on 06/27/2006 9:33:32 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Gone GF
Addictive??? You have some evidence?

I've got some.

A childhood friend of mine came back from Vietnam smoking dope all day long. It's lasted to this day. He can't/won't quit. He doesn't drink because it interferes with his 'buzz'. He's lost his wife and kids and quite a few of his friends, including me, and now his oldest son is a little drug head himself and, of course, pop can't say anything to him.

In addition to that, my first wife was a pothead. Over the last 20 years she's been to doctors, rehab, etc. 45 years old and still smoking dope.

I'm sure that you will discount my evidence as 'random and rare, biased observations', but these two people are hooked and I don't give a damn what kind of evidence that you have to the contrary, it won't diminish their addition.

24 posted on 06/27/2006 9:33:34 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: Always Right
The problem is they are making pot to be much more addictive and much more potent that it use to be.

WTFROTFL who's "they"? The leprechauns?

25 posted on 06/27/2006 9:33:40 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sooth2222
And much CHEAPER, too!

See, all those illegal immigrants are benefitial.

26 posted on 06/27/2006 9:35:44 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Gingersnap

LOL!


27 posted on 06/27/2006 9:35:52 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: Always Right
Growers are getting better and the 'good stuff' is more available.

Yeah the more potent stuff is more available but the chemical makeup of THC hasn't changed. THC is also not addictive, only psychologically, like chocolate or your favorite TV show. And more potent = less smoking. Nothing more, nothing less.

28 posted on 06/27/2006 9:37:55 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Fractal Trader

If the UN is agin it, I'm fer it.
Two of the strongest ties shared with libertarians: "Let's buy a crate of Chips Ahoy, two gallons of moo-juice, then shotgun sensimilla with a Remington Wingmaster."
(Slick didn't inhale. How dumb is that?)


29 posted on 06/27/2006 9:39:47 AM PDT by tumblindice (No stems or seeds that you don't need, Acapulco Gold is bad a** weed)
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To: cowboyway

I believe you. If your friend is addicted, he's addicted, but it's not chemical. Some people also break open a bucket of ice cream when they get depressed, but ice cream isn't chemically addictive either.


30 posted on 06/27/2006 9:40:08 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; Annie03; ...
does anyone on my list have the oh geez guy grapghic? This would be the perfect thread to post it on these morons must think that reefer madness is a documentary

Libertarian ping.To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here

31 posted on 06/27/2006 9:44:00 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: mysterio
The UN Cannabis as useless bad as tits on a bull heroin
32 posted on 06/27/2006 9:44:01 AM PDT by Lekker 1 (("Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau" - I. Fisher, Yale Econ Prof, 1929))
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To: Fractal Trader

Dude, This Is Bogus.

33 posted on 06/27/2006 9:44:30 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Gone GF
Addictive??? You have some evidence?

II. Myths and Misperceptions

Many of the things Americans “know” about marijuana are myths or misperceptions. People need to

know the truth about this harmful drug.

M Y T H 1

Marijuana is harmless.

Marijuana is far from harmless; in fact, recent scientific findings about the drug are startling.

Most of the drug treatment for young people in the United States is for marijuana alone. Marijuana

emergency-room mentions have skyrocketed over the past decade, and the drug is associated with an

increased risk of developing schizophrenia, even when personality traits and pre-existing conditions

are taken into account.

FACTS:

Health Consequences

• Marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons

than does tobacco smoke.10 Using marijuana may promote cancer of the respiratory

tract and disrupt the immune system.11

• Marijuana smokers have a heightened risk of lung infection.12

• Long-term use of marijuana may increase the risk of chronic cough, bronchitis,

and emphysema, as well as cancer of the head, neck, and lungs.13

• Mentions of marijuana use in emergency room visits have

risen 176 percent since 1994, surpassing those of heroin.14

• In 2001, marijuana was a contributing factor in more than

110,000 emergency department visits in the United States.15

• Marijuana can cause the heart rate, normally 70 to 80 beats

per minute, to increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute or, in

some cases, even to double.17

• In a 2003 study, researchers in England found that smoking

marijuana for even less than six years causes a marked

deterioriation in lung function. The study suggests that

marijuana use may rob the body of antioxidants that protect

cells against damage that can lead to heart disease and cancer.18

• Marijuana affects alertness, concentration, perception, coordination, and reaction time—

skills that are necessary for safe driving. A roadside study of reckless drivers in Tennessee

found that 33 percent of all subjects who were not under the influence of alcohol and who

were tested for drugs at the scene of their arrest tested positive for marijuana.20 In a 2003

Canadian study, one in five students admitted to driving within an hour of using marijuana.21

• Marijuana users have more suicidal thoughts and are four

times more likely to report symptoms of depression than

people who never used the drug.22

• The British Medical Journal recently reported: “Cannabis

use is associated with an increased risk of developing

schizophrenia, consistent with a causal relation. This

association is not explained by use of other psychoactive

drugs or personality traits relating to social integration.”23

Social Consequences

• Heavy marijuana use impairs the ability of young people to concentrate and retain

information during their peak learning years. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the main

active chemical in marijuana, changes the way sensory information gets into and is

processed by the part of the brain that is crucial for learning and memory.24

• Animal studies indicate that marijuana use may interfere with brain function and create

problems with the perception of time, possibly making the user less adept at tasks that

require sustained attention.25

• Marijuana use has been associated with poor performance in school. One report

showed that youths with an average grade of D or below were more than four times as

likely to have used marijuana in the past year as youths with an average grade of A.26

• Marijuana users in their later teen years are more likely to have an increased risk of

delinquency and more friends who exhibit deviant behavior. They also tend to have

more sexual partners and are more likely to engage in unsafe sex.27

Economic Consequences

• Use of marijuana and other illicit drugs comes at significant expense to society in terms

of lost employee productivity, public health care costs, and accidents.28

• Americans spent $10.6 billion on marijuana purchases in 1999.29

M Y T H 2

Marijuana is not addictive.

Marijuana has been proven to be a psychologically addictive drug. Scientists at the National Institute

on Drug Abuse have demonstrated that laboratory animals will self-administer THC in doses equivalent

to those used by humans who smoke marijuana.30

FACTS:

• Marijuana is much more powerful today than it was 30 years ago, and so are its mindaltering

effects. Average THC levels rose from less than 1 percent in the mid-1970s to

more than 6 percent in 2002. Sinsemilla potency increased in the past two decades

from 6 percent to more than 13 percent, with some samples containing THC levels of

up to 33 percent.31

• Subjects in an experiment on marijuana withdrawal

experienced symptoms such as restlessness, loss of

appetite, trouble with sleeping, weight loss, and shaky

hands.32

• According to one study, marijuana use by teenagers

with prior serious antisocial problems can quickly lead

to dependence on the drug. The study also found that,

for troubled teenagers using tobacco, alcohol, and

marijuana, progression from their first use of marijuana

to regular use was about as rapid as their progression

to regular tobacco use, and more rapid than the

progression to regular use of alcohol.33

M Y T H 3

Youth experimentation with marijuana is inevitable.

Drug use can be prevented. The majority of young people do not use drugs, and there are proven

ways to keep kids from starting. Contrary to popular belief, marijuana use is not a rite of passage.

It is a risky behavior with serious consequences. Every American has a role to play in the effort to

reduce marijuana use—at home and on the job, in schools, places of worship, and civic or social

organizations. Working together, we can reaffirm healthy attitudes about marijuana use.

FACTS:

• Surveys show that parents are the biggest influence in

their children’s decisions about drug use.34 Parents must

actively engage in educating their children and help them

make healthy decisions.

• We know that when we push back against the drug problem,

it recedes. Marijuana use has been dramatically lower

in the past—even in the last decade—and it can be

reduced again.35

M Y T H 4

Marijuana is not associated with violence, as are drugs like

cocaine and heroin. The criminalization of marijuana is what leads

to crime, not the drug itself.

It’s not simply the trafficking of drugs that causes crime at home and abroad. Crime also results

from the behavior of people who have drug dependencies.

FACTS:

• Research shows a link between frequent marijuana use and increased violent

behavior.36

• Young people who use marijuana weekly are nearly four times more likely than

nonusers to engage in violence.37

• More than 41 percent of male arrestees in sampled U.S. cities tested positive for

marijuana.38

 

 

34 posted on 06/27/2006 9:45:33 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Always Right
If the 'good stuff' is much more available, then pot has become more potetent to the average user

The average user having more access to better marijuana than they were used to doesn't mean the marijuana is getting better. It simply means they have more access.

35 posted on 06/27/2006 9:46:15 AM PDT by gdani
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To: cowboyway

"They" aren't "making" pot more addictive because it isn't physically addictive to begin with. Psychologically? For a very small minority, yes. Just as are certain types of food, gambling, and numerous other things. If your friend and your first wife hadn't gotten "hooked" on pot, they probably would have found alcohol or something else.


36 posted on 06/27/2006 9:47:05 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Always Right
Source?

Also do you notice that even your pasted propaganda admits there is no chemical addiction, only psychological (as bad as chocolate ice cream!)

M Y T H 2 Marijuana is not addictive. Marijuana has been proven to be a psychologically addictive drug.

37 posted on 06/27/2006 9:48:51 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
If your friend is addicted, he's addicted, but it's not chemical.

What does it matter.

Let's say that I could prove that a gun is designed to kill but a knife is designed to spread butter. But if someone kills you with a butter knife, you're just as dead as if you were shot with a gun.

Besides that, how do you know that it's not chemical? Isn't it possible that some people could become chemically addicted to THC?

But it really doesn't matter to me because I think that people that take drugs are idiots. If you're never done it, you should try to ride with a cop on a Saturday night. Just about all their calls are drug related.

38 posted on 06/27/2006 9:50:04 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been Cowboys)
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To: gdani
It is getting better though because of the large scale breeding in Holland and California creating new strains.
39 posted on 06/27/2006 9:50:49 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Always Right
It is more potent and it is addictive.

There's absolutely no physical addicitive component to pot (unlike nicotene or alcohol).

40 posted on 06/27/2006 9:50:56 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Always Right

And this came from where?

BTW, I know that some of this is certainly true. I'm not arguing that pot is harmless.


41 posted on 06/27/2006 9:51:13 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: Sir Gawain
It is getting better though because of the large scale breeding in Holland and California creating new strains.

...which has been going on for decades.

42 posted on 06/27/2006 9:53:27 AM PDT by gdani
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To: cowboyway
What does it matter. Let's say that I could prove that a gun is designed to kill but a knife is designed to spread butter. But if someone kills you with a butter knife, you're just as dead as if you were shot with a gun.

It matters because you're placing the blame on the drug rather than on the mental shortcomings of the person that makes them prone to addiction to (fill in the blank). Any substance could have provided the escape from reality that they apparently needed. Some drugs do have massive chemical addictiveness. Caffeine, heroine, cocaine, meth. Weed ain't one of 'em.

Besides that, how do you know that it's not chemical? Isn't it possible that some people could become chemically addicted to THC?

Not according to the scientific research.

43 posted on 06/27/2006 9:54:24 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Always Right

putz!


44 posted on 06/27/2006 9:54:50 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: cowboyway
But it really doesn't matter to me because I think that people that take drugs are idiots. If you're never done it, you should try to ride with a cop on a Saturday night. Just about all their calls are drug related.

Let me guess, we can also go to the bar where the cops hang out and hear all the bad things about druggies while they're pounding a few ones down.

45 posted on 06/27/2006 9:54:55 AM PDT by Nate505
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To: thoughtomator
One more stake in the credibility of the UN.

The UN is pulling this line of BS right out of our Drug Czar's mouth.

46 posted on 06/27/2006 9:56:24 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Sir Gawain

"WTFROTFL who's "they"? The leprechauns?"

LMAO! Thanks for the laugh!!


47 posted on 06/27/2006 9:56:25 AM PDT by cweese (Hook 'em Horns!!!)
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To: gdani

I think we're splitting hairs. I agree that there is a potency ceiling that has probably been reached from some wild plant growing in Thailand for thousands of years, but massive cross breeding has brought the average potency level up during the last 50 or so.


48 posted on 06/27/2006 9:56:44 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Fractal Trader
>>The decision to reclassify cannabis as a Class C drug - made by the Home Secretary in 2004 - was implicitly criticised by Antonio Maria Costa, the executive director of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime<<

what a change from what he said when he was appointed - then all the problems with drugs he cited had to do with narcotics, trafficking and the violence and terrorism associated.

I wonder what (or who) changed his mind.

BTW, he holds degrees in math and economics and had always had economics related jobs before being made drug czar for the U.N.

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/leadership.html

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/pt/good-governance_costa.html

49 posted on 06/27/2006 10:05:20 AM PDT by gondramB (Unity of freedom has never relied upon uniformity of opinion.)
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To: Beckwith

For some reason, your post just struck a chord. It sounds like you have a many things to be proud. I hope my life is as fulfilling as yours.....Colin


50 posted on 06/27/2006 10:05:45 AM PDT by colinhester
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