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Global Warming Kicked 2005 Hurricanes Up A Notch
Environmental News Service ^ | June 26, 2006

Posted on 06/27/2006 9:34:22 AM PDT by cogitator

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I'm sure that this study will be mentioned a few times this summer.
1 posted on 06/27/2006 9:34:28 AM PDT by cogitator
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Global warming created about half the extra warmth in the waters of the tropical North Atlantic that stimulated hurricane formation in 2005, while natural cycles were a minor factor, a new study from the National Center for Atmospheric Research demonstrates.

There is an assumption here that Global Warming is one thing, and "natural cycles" are another thing. I need to read no further.

2 posted on 06/27/2006 9:39:20 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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Global Warming Normal Climate and Weather Changes Kicked 2005 Hurricanes Up A Notch

There. I fixed it.

3 posted on 06/27/2006 9:43:13 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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From their website (http://www.ncar.ucar.edu/):
"NCAR is a National Science Foundation federally funded research and development center. Together with our partners at universities and research centers, we are dedicated to exploring and understanding our atmosphere and its interactions with the Sun, the oceans, the biosphere, and human society."

The .edu on the end of the URL says it all.

Nothing to see here, move along.

4 posted on 06/27/2006 9:51:00 AM PDT by Semper Vigilantis (Illegal Immigration will dry up the day after the welfare programs do.)
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And Dr. William Gray, who is the preeminent hurricane expert in this country, has said that so called global warming has nothing to do with Atlantic hurricanes.


5 posted on 06/27/2006 9:52:52 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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There is an assumption here that Global Warming is one thing, and "natural cycles" are another thing.

"Global warming" is generally used to indicate the warming of the globe that has occurred since the mid-1800s. There is considerable scientific evidence that this warming, particularly the warming which occurred in the late 1980s into the 1990s and to present, has been augmented by human activities, particularly those that add CO2 to the atmosphere. CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has increased about 100 ppm since the mid-1800s, and this is about 100 ppm higher than the natural maximum over the past 640,000 years, as determined from measurements of CO2 in ice core bubbles.

Feel free to continue thinking that global warming is entirely natural. The scientific data does not support that line of thinking.

6 posted on 06/27/2006 9:54:57 AM PDT by cogitator
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There. I fixed it.

If you're happy with it, then I won't attempt to disturb your mindset.

7 posted on 06/27/2006 9:56:06 AM PDT by cogitator
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Feel free to continue thinking that global warming is entirely natural.

It was the last time it happened.

8 posted on 06/27/2006 10:00:34 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (What is our exit strategy in the war on poverty?)
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And Dr. William Gray, who is the preeminent hurricane expert in this country, has said that so called global warming has nothing to do with Atlantic hurricanes.

Dr. Gray is not an oceanographer, and some of his ideas about oceanography are pretty clearly wrong.

Gray and Muddy Thinking about Global Warming

Now, this article doesn't directly address what Dr. Gray knows about hurricanes. But the new study just came out, and requires evaluation. Dr. Gray's evaluation will be one of many.

9 posted on 06/27/2006 10:01:31 AM PDT by cogitator
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The Little Ice Age ran from about 1600 to 1850. Since the mid 1800's we've been coming out of an unusually cold period. (That means the global temerature has been rising, in case you need help.) Global temperatures are not yet at the level they were 1000 years ago when the Vikings had farms in Greenland (a period known as the Medieval Maximum).

Please explain for the class how the Vikings made the world warm, how the Pilgrim caused things to get cold, and how Abe Lincoln managed to heat things up again.

It's a natural cycle.

10 posted on 06/27/2006 10:02:08 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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And I'll bet the CO2 in ice core bubbles doesn't degrade one little bit being in contact with all that frozen and often liquid H2O for all that millenia, no sirree. Can you insure that those ice cores came from glaciers in which no liquid water occured in the time the CO2 was trapped?


11 posted on 06/27/2006 10:08:25 AM PDT by tertiary01
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... which causes cooling. Every model I have looked at shows that concentrated convection causes cooling. The subsidence around hurricanes cools and is much larger than the hurricane itself. Another factor is that tropical convection (not just hurricanes) peaks at night and therefore so do the cold cloud tops which warm the planet. There are probably other factors, but basically this increase in storminess is a sure sign of negative feedback from warming oceans.


12 posted on 06/27/2006 10:12:02 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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13 posted on 06/27/2006 10:12:06 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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Not one hurricane hit Florida from 1952 to 1962, a period of high water temperature the study references.

Higher water temps alone are not reliable predictors of frequency or severity.

Subtracting higher water temperatures elsewhere from the measured data guarantees the remaining increase will not be attributable to the rest of the factors the study includes.

What sort of science is this?


14 posted on 06/27/2006 10:12:56 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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It's a natural cycle.

All of the effects that you mention have been evaluated. The current warming trend is being augmented by the increasing concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. Natural variability cannot account for all of the observed warming.

I can back up all of these statements with references to scientific literature, if you would be willing to consider what they say. From long experience, I know that this effort is usually fruitless for someone who already has their mind made up. Tell me if you're actually interested -- I won't waste my time or yours if you aren't.

15 posted on 06/27/2006 10:13:16 AM PDT by cogitator
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And I'll bet the CO2 in ice core bubbles doesn't degrade one little bit being in contact with all that frozen and often liquid H2O for all that millenia, no sirree. Can you insure that those ice cores came from glaciers in which no liquid water occured in the time the CO2 was trapped?

Why should it degrade? The ice cores are from Greenland or Antarctic ice caps. If you want to know more, try searching on the subject. I have extreme confidence that the CO2 concentrations measured in ice core bubbles are accurate, because they've been independently determined from more than one ice core.

16 posted on 06/27/2006 10:15:30 AM PDT by cogitator
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Every model I have looked at shows that concentrated convection causes cooling.

Atmospheric or oceanic surface cooling?

17 posted on 06/27/2006 10:16:25 AM PDT by cogitator
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I can back up all of these statements with references to scientific literature

We can just agree to disagree, since I consider that scientific literature to be agenda-driven crap. I grant that temperatures are rising. I grant that CO2 levels are rising. I laugh at the idea that humans are changing the global climate.

18 posted on 06/27/2006 10:18:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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Not one hurricane hit Florida from 1952 to 1962, a period of high water temperature the study references.

Does that indicate that the 1950s weren't an active hurricane period? It can be an active period and yet still spare Florida.

Higher water temps alone are not reliable predictors of frequency or severity.

What sort of science is this?

Published. It's in Geophysical Research Letters.

I agree.

19 posted on 06/27/2006 10:20:45 AM PDT by cogitator
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Not completely sure but probably oceanic surface from the lack of clouds. The other effect is the removal of water vapor from the upper troposphere reducing the atmospheric warming.


20 posted on 06/27/2006 10:20:47 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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