Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Does anyone know if this is true? It would be nice to know, one way or the other. I simply cannot believe that it is, but one never knows.

Also, is the US planning to attack Israel - or is this merely a means of questioning the loyalty of Jews in the armed forces, and Jews in general? Did we ask Eisenhower if he would fight against the Germans? Do we ask people of English extraction if they'd join in an invasion of England? Do we ask Arabs or Moslems if they'll join in an invasion of their former homeland?

1 posted on 06/28/2006 6:45:45 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


To: Ancesthntr
Since Peter King was in bed with Gerry Adams has his security clearance been questioned?

This seems rather peculiar but there are people in the Pentagon that clearly need retiring.

2 posted on 06/28/2006 6:51:33 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

I'd imagine this is SOP when evaluating anyone with ties to a foreign power and not just limited to Jews.


3 posted on 06/28/2006 6:52:50 AM PDT by vikingd00d
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

It's not Israel. Security clearances, especially high-security clearances are often not given when the subject has relatives living in countries outside of the US.

Similarly, a long period of living in another country can cause denial of a security clearance.

One of the problems is the risk of a foreign relative being held hostage as a means of accessing information. Also, during security clearance investigations, lots of people are interviewed. Tough to interview folks in another country.

It's not limited to Israel, quite frankly.


4 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:28 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr
Official documents report that American Jews were asked by Pentagon examiners whether they would join a U.S. attack on Israel if the Jewish state was threatened.

This is a standard question asked of ex-nationals of a particular country when obtaining a TS security clearance. Insight may be guilty of a 'drive by shooting' here. If these American jews had relatives in Israel, or have worked in Israel for a while, it's a legitmate question. Having a Security Clearances is a privlage, not a right.
5 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:59 AM PDT by Perdogg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

I thought this was an article from the 1940s or before. Are we demanding the same loyalty from the Mexicans crossing our border?


9 posted on 06/28/2006 6:57:35 AM PDT by madison10
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

BS


10 posted on 06/28/2006 7:01:38 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("Jack Bauer" is Arabic for "I'm f*cked.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr
"We" did ask Americans of Japanese ancestry if they would fight against Japan. "We" put them in concentration camps, and segregated units in the Army. Those units served with honour and distinction ... in Europe. I don't know why DOD is concerned about folks with relatives in Israel ... or even if this 'report' is true. But it's not unprecedented, and the rantings of the perpetually offended to the contrary notwithstanding, it's not evidence of so-called 'antisemitism'.
14 posted on 06/28/2006 7:09:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr
"Does anyone know if this is true? It would be nice to know, one way or the other. I simply cannot believe that it is, but one never knows."


The real world tends to be a bit confusing to many.

This article is about the dreaded persecution of poor Jews. The next may be about the poor hypenated Americans.

The world is full of victims.




18 posted on 06/28/2006 7:18:47 AM PDT by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of outthinking our adversaries?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr
Every ethnic Jew in the world has the right to be or become a citizen of Israel. Many American Jews have dual citizenship, and many Israelis vote in our elections. When you become a dual citizen, just like in the U.S., you swear to "support and defend" that foreign country, which of course causes a conflict of interest for those dual citizens. In my opinion, no one with dual citizenship should be granted a high security clearance!
24 posted on 06/28/2006 7:31:01 AM PDT by Tangaray
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

Oh damn, there goes my dream of a brilliant career in the DOD.


38 posted on 06/28/2006 8:01:51 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 10-17)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr
The Pentagon has banned security clearance to Americans with relatives in Israel.

Anyone ever thought about doing that to muslims?

42 posted on 06/28/2006 8:06:44 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (If Christians can go nuclear in a biblical way, would the Israelis go nuclear in a talmudic way?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

I wonder of Muslims are required to jump through similar hoops. It wouldn't surprise me if that weren't the case.


62 posted on 06/28/2006 9:07:17 AM PDT by Columbusborn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr
Jews were asked by Pentagon examiners whether they would join a U.S. attack on Israel if the Jewish state was threatened.

That is a weird question Israel has been threatened since 1948. We wouldn't attach we would be coming to Israel's aid. Only a Palestinian would answer no.

67 posted on 06/28/2006 9:23:13 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

"Official documents report that American Jews were asked by Pentagon examiners whether they would join a U.S. attack on Israel if the Jewish state was threatened."

DISGUSTING!!!!

Why don't they do the same thing for MUSLIMS???

How about asking THEM if they would support an ISLAMIC enemy who threatened the U.S. in a Jihad. And make them do under a lie detector. THEIR religion preaches always siding with a Muslim agains a non-Muslim in a fight. Its one of their basic religious tenets.


74 posted on 06/28/2006 9:48:33 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

As far as I know, it's not just Israel. I think it applies to everyone with relatives in a foreign country.

I'm Jewish and VERY pro-Israel, but as long as this applies to all employees equally, I think it's a sound and just policy.


83 posted on 06/28/2006 11:05:08 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

How Israel Trip Came Back to Haunt an Aide


New York Sun
By JOSH GERSTEIN
June 6, 2006


A veteran State Department employee contends that a month-long trip he took to Israel more than two decades ago has contributed to the suspension of his security clearance, stalling and perhaps ending his career in the foreign service.

After serving in 10 overseas posts, Daniel Hirsch has spent the last three and half years behind a desk at Foggy Bottom or elsewhere in Washington as agents from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security have scoured his past to determine whether he is trustworthy and loyal enough to be allowed access to government secrets.

To read this article in its entirety, you must be a subscriber to NYSun.com
94 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:14 PM PDT by familyop ("The Jews have done more to civilize men than any other nation..." --President John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

Pentagon denying Israelis security clearances


Ynetnews
17MAY06


New York Sun reports State Department citing AIPAC leak case as basis for denying employees with dual Israeli-American citizenship security clearances. In one case, government lawyers argued Israel was 'actively spying on United States' to justify withdrawing clearance from worker

The Pentagon is citing a leak affair involving Defense Department analyst Lawrence Franklin and two pro-Israel lobbyists Steven Rosen and Keith Weissman, as a basis for stripping security clearances from government contractor employees who have dual Israeli-American citizenship or family in Israel, The New York Sun reported Wednesday.

The two former AIPAC officials and the Pentagon analyst were indicted in August 2005 on charges they conspired to pass classified information to persons not entitled to receive it, including Israeli officials and members of the press.

According to the Sun, Defense Department attorneys have used the AIPAC leak indictments in at least three cases, to justify withdrawing or denying security clearances.

The paper quoted Virginian Lawyer Sheldon Cohen who has been tracking these cases, as saying: "The only reason to possibly use it (the dual citizenship issue) is to implicate anybody with a connection to Israel, to imply they cannot be trusted. There is no other conceivable reason to bring it up."

A study conducted by Cohen on the subject of Israel-related security clearance cases, found that "an unusually large number" of cases involving foreign influence concerns seem to relate to Israel.

'Israel actively spying on US'

The Sun reported that in one case, an Israeli-born mechanical engineer who has worked as a major defense contractor and has been living in the United States for over 25 years, faced an attempt by government lawyers to revoke his security clearance because of his dual citizenship, his possession of an Israeli passport and the fact that he has relatives in Israel.

"There was some basis for McCarthyism. Here there's nothing, just this dual loyalty business," David Schoen, the employee's attorney, told the Sun. "It really strikes me as un-American."

"His wife is American. His kids are American," the lawyer said. "He has never had a problem at Lockheed (where he worked)," Schoen added.

According to the attorney, at a hearing on the case a few weeks ago, a government attorney tried to submit the leak indictment as an exhibit, arguing that it showed Israel was actively spying on America.

Rabbi Shmuel Herzfeld, a leader of the Jewish community in Washington, told the Sun he was disturbed by the growing number of similar incidents. "People around the country are turning to us and telling us of ongoing cases where people are stripped of their livelihoods just because they're Jewish," he said.
95 posted on 06/28/2006 1:55:54 PM PDT by familyop ("The Jews have done more to civilize men than any other nation..." --President John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: Ancesthntr

US: Israel trip may cost state employee his job


Yitzhak Benhorin
06-06-06
Ynetnews


State Department employee suspected of dual loyalties, loses security clearance due to visit to Israel 23 years ago

WASHINGTON – Daniel Hirsch, a long-time employee of the American State Department had his security clearance revoked 3-and-a-half years ago, and may also stand to lose his job altogether, all because of a visit he held in Israel 23 years ago. A photo on Hirsch's office wall which portrays him in IDF uniform led to an investigation against him that resulted in the suspension of his clearance.

In an interview to Ynet, Hirsch explained that before September 11 and the establishment of the Homeland Security Office, a picture of him as a volunteer in Israel could not have stirred such a row at the State Department. Now it's enough to get your security clearance cancelled, he said.

Hirsch is one of many American Jews currently facing suspicions of dual loyalties on the part of the US defense establishment due to their ties, or alleged ties, with Israel. Similar cases in the Pentagon and the CIA were reported in the last few months.

'US changed the rules'

The picture in Hirsch's office was taken 23 years ago when the 23-year-old arrived in Israel with other Jewish American volunteers to work in IDF bases. We worked in army bases doing civilian duties, Hirsch recounted. "For two weeks I helped a tank mechanic. I wasn't even a mechanic myself, I was merely sent to fetch the tools," he described.

Before leaving for Israel, Hirsch reported his employers at the time, the CIA, of the trip and was granted permission to go. He visited the country once again in 1992.

According to Hirsch, when he started working for the State Department he was told he should keep away from his Israeli relatives, and claims to have done just that. Years ago I have accepted the fact that in order to work in this business I would have to sever ties with my family in Israel, he stated. I have been playing their game, but now they changed the rules, Hirsch added.
96 posted on 06/28/2006 1:59:46 PM PDT by familyop ("The Jews have done more to civilize men than any other nation..." --President John Adams)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson