Frankly, I don't know why anyone would associate American Jews with the Israelis. They may have the same religion and ancestry but that's about it.
We American Jews share religion, ancestry and cultural ties with Israel, the same as ethnic Irish, Poles, Germans, etc. share with their ancestral homelands. Yet Eisenhower was given command of a couple million soldiers in the fight against Germany with no questions about his loyalty. The contrast is illuminating - regarding those asking the questions.
Your comments about American Jewish Leftists/Liberals is generally spot-on. However, just because those people are very loud and get media coverage from similar-minded people (both Jewish and non-Jewish) doesn't mean that most American Jews agree with them, or that most American Jews are in any way disloyal. Quite the contrary - we are intensely aware of what our fate would be if we lived elsewhere, if our grandparents and great grandparents hadn't left the old country. For me, I simply wouldn't exist. First, my grandparents would likely never have met each other, but more importantly, even if they had, Herr Schicklegruber and his merry men would have murdered my parents when they were young kids - so I owe my very existence to this country and its open arms. I would defend it to the death, and I resent it when others (not you) question my loyalty based on my religion.
As to the "9/11 Jews," maybe they have received a figurative slap in the face which has woken them up. Maybe they are actually beginning to "get it" and to use that gray matter between their ears. There has been, and hopefully will continue to be, an exodus of Jews from the fringes of the far Left.
Jason Pollard, American Jew/Israeli spy is a pretty good example of the kind of person who would sell out this country for his own agenda. If you look at the American Jews from Abby Hoffman to Medea Benjamin, you will notice that most are America hating Liberal nutcases.
First off, his name is Jonathan - and he's a definite traitor. My single question about his treatment is: Why has he, a spy for a generally friendly country, been imprisoned for life in solitary, while others who aren't Jewish who've done the same for different generally friendly countries than Israel have gotten lesser (far lesser) sentences? IOW, my only question is one of Equal Protection. As far as I'm concerned, all spies should be executed, no matter their family history or religion, or who they spied for against us...but no one asks me to make policy.
Second, Aldrich Aimes and the Walkers are also spies, and I don't think that they are Jews. Treason is ethnically and religiously blind, and so should be our treatment of traitors.
Third, there are plenty of non-Jewish "America hating Liberal nutcases." John Murtha, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi and a bunch of others fall into that catagory.
Let's try to keep religion and ethnicity out of discussions of loyalty and treason. You are either loyal or not, period. I started this thread because the article in question raised the issue of disparate treatment of Jews in our armed forces - because of their Jewishness. I simply want to know if it is true or not - and if so, then something is wrong. If it is not true, if the article is wrong or offers less than the whole picture, then I have no problem with what's being done.
A very thoughtful reply...I haven't actually gotten to the content of the article itself since I stepped in the PC cowpie right off the bat!
You've made several of my points far better than I could have, starting with the traitors. I firmly believe that it is splitting hairs to discuss the circumstances of any of the traitors. They should have been executed the day after they were convicted. They certainly would have been in Israel. Treason betrays an entire nation, and kills untold numbers of innocents by the very act. Pollard, Ames, the Walkers should all be dead for the peril they put the United States of America in, who can really know the damage that they've done?
It is far easier and quicker to list the worst of American Jews than to try and list those that have made such great contributions, who have given us medical and scientific achievements beyond measure, who have enriched our culture and our way of life. Aaron Spelling just passed away. Smart Jewish kid who had nothing and built an empire. Ralph Lauren or the Marx Brothers are stories one would tell children to inspire them. Better yet, try to tell young parents today about life here in America before Dr. Jonas Salk or Dr. Albert Sabin. They probably would think you exaggerate, but I remember those days.
So, when it comes to the Defense Dept. story, which doesn't seem very credible to begin with, I doubt that there is any plans afoot to somehow put a check next to an American Jewish name. However, there are very credible reports that President Crazy Mo in Iran is planning a colour coded system for all the various infidels, and I believe that one. That nutcase is building a hotel for Allah's arrival as we speak!
Yesterday, I read a story on the FR News page that said the State Dept. has just authorized a massive visa program for Saudis. That may or may not be true, but it is a sinking feeling to realize that the brain trust at Foggy Bottom just might do such a thing. There was another article over the weekend re the Saudis offering scholarships to American flight schools for it's fine young men. O joy.
I admire and respect the Israelis tremendously, but not for the reasons that the "rapture" people do. I just remember watching the World at War series on TV in the 60's. My father would fill in the geo-politiical parts and some personal anecdotes about his time there as a young Merchant Marine.
Only six weeks before he died, the Six Day War began. My dad was the only person in the world who knew for a certainty that the Israelis would win. He had unshakable faith in their courage and their abilities. Unfortunately, they've had to fight every day since, and it's only getting worse. As I look at my words, I realize how petty it is to quibble about some rumour turned 3rd rate news when the whole of Gaza is in flames.
I will leave this discussion now, and please know that jumping to the defense of the Israelis is the right thing for me, and yes, I feel nothing but contempt for the America Jews who do not stand up for America or Israel. and who seek to impose a sort of selective elitism on a "chosen few" (pun) but won't fight for it.
p.s. I do apologize for lumping Pinch Sulzburger in with the rest of the American Hit Parade, that surely borders on the criminal!!
posted on 06/28/2006 11:20:00 AM PDT
by Alexander Rubin
(Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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