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Planned Parenthood Celebration Jolted by Abortion Survivor [Colorado]
CatholicEducation.org ^ | May, 2006 | Ted Harvey

Posted on 06/28/2006 11:25:07 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Locomotive Breath
Thank you for that extra information. Given my background of adoption I already knew a little about it. It's a horrific technique. I have no reservations at all understanding how someone subjected to this technique, if they survive, can be horribly injured. Please understand that I'm not really trying to be argumentative. However, your post still does not provide the mechanism of hypoxia as the postulated cause for her CP.

I guess how her hypoxia came about could have been cause by toxicity. How she escaped horrible injury is probably due to what we Christians call a miracle. I know as a Christian you believe in that. If you want to look at a medical reason for how she escaped horrible injury, maybe the solution given wasn't strong enough to cause severe burns or maybe she aborted faster.. before it could burn her skin. Only God knows the answer.

Gotta run and get back to work. Lunch break over, LOL! Have a nice day.

251 posted on 06/30/2006 9:35:15 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290
I assert based on the NIH site, which frankly I believe is more authoritative than the links you gave, that the attribution of CP to lack of oxygen is tentative and not fully medically proved. If you want I can go dig up the links upon which they base that and they will be just as authoritative as the Cleveland Clinic. The NIH represents the nationwide medical consensus which is "undecided". Some individual practitioners and medical practices will agree and some will not. There's a reason they call it the "practice" of medicine and there's a reason people go for second opinions. There are no medical certainties. All I'm asking is that you admit there might be some uncertainties.

But if you want to play the dueling links game, here's the Mayo Clinic

Treatment of Cerebral Palsy at Mayo Clinic

However, doctors don't completely understand the cause of most cases of cerebral palsy, which are present at birth (congenital). For many years, doctors and researchers believed that cerebral palsy was caused by a lack of oxygen during birth. Now they believe that only a small number of cases are caused by problems during labor and delivery.[my bold]

Doctors and researchers have now identified many possible causes of congenital cerebral palsy, including:

* Maternal infection during pregnancy, such as rubella or other viral infections

* Severe jaundice in newborns, which may be caused by infection, severe bruising or problems with red blood cells due to ABO or Rh incompatibility — two incompatibilities between the blood of the mother and her fetus

* Abnormal brain development before birth, resulting from genetic causes or metabolic disorders

* Disturbance to brain circulation before birth, caused by an artery spasm or blood clot, similar to a stroke in adults


Note that they specifically say that the oxygen starvation theory is out of date and now not thought to produce any but a small number of cases. Because of her unique birth she may be the one in a million but how can you not admit there is some doubt? There is clearly not the level of certainty as presented by Harvey.

In Jessen's case it makes no difference in the sense that she could have been born healthy and her effectiveness as an anti-abortion advocate would be unaffected. I do think that the science was too unsettled for John Edwards to destroy a doctor's career and transfer millions of dollars from our pockets into his. If you are insulted by holding the same medical opinions as John Edwards then that's not something I can do anything about. I do believe that Harvey/Jessen and Edwards both overstated the linkage between birth hypoxia and CP. Their motives for doing so are almost certainly different.

As confirmation, after the number of C-sections in NC skyrocketed as a result of John Edward win in court the incidence of CP remained unchanged. If there is a cause and effect it should have shown up.
252 posted on 06/30/2006 10:04:50 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Salvation

Thankyou SO MUCH for this thread. I have read her book and wept through the entire book!! It is a MUST read for anyone serious about pro life!!!


253 posted on 06/30/2006 11:57:55 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

This wasn't a lie. Read her book and get the FULL story.


254 posted on 06/30/2006 12:00:07 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: pollywog

We may be working at cross meanings. I was criticizing Harvey's actions with regard to the Colorado legislature and not Jessen's story. I do not doubt her story in the least.

The only exception I might have is the claimed medical relationship between the attempted abortion, the lack of oxygen during birth and her cerebral palsy and she simply may be repreating what the doctors told her at the time, and some of the medical thinking has changed since then.

There is a lot of her story that is not in the above article. Could you give me a summary of the book and what it adds?


255 posted on 06/30/2006 12:40:59 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: patton
unbelievable!

it's obvious how the denver post feels about this ... just tragic!
256 posted on 06/30/2006 5:59:14 PM PDT by leda (Life is always what you make it!)
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To: Locomotive Breath
I assert based on the NIH site, which frankly I believe is more authoritative than the links you gave, that the attribution of CP to lack of oxygen is tentative and not fully medically proved. If you want I can go dig up the links upon which they base that and they will be just as authoritative as the Cleveland Clinic.

Really? If your attitude is that the only authorative sites are yours, I'm done debating with you. I feel that you're angry because you were proven to be wrong when you stated with absolute surety that it wasn't caused by lack of oxygen to the brain and I showed sites where it was.

Not only were you so sure of yourself, you went on to insult people who didn't agree with you by putting them in the same class as John Edwards. Actually, Edwards was right in this case and you weren't.

Now I can pull up as many or more sites that contradict that of Mayo Clinic which is not as highly esteemed in America as the Cleveland Clinic. To what avail? Just to have you say that yours are more authorative? I don't have time to play games.

257 posted on 06/30/2006 6:25:14 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: FJ290

I never stated categorically, as you are doing, one way or the other the origin of hers or anyone elses CP. Reread my post. I'm saying it's an open question, but you just can't admit any level of uncertainty can you? You're right and everyone else is wrong? Done indeed.


258 posted on 06/30/2006 7:12:26 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: editor-surveyor

Reality is far more insidious. The leftist defending the slaughter of unborn alive children know damn well the children are alive in the womb; the truly sick and dirty truth is, they deem the slaughter a right of women ... that's right, the leftists defending this holocaust believe it is right to promote the wholesale slaughter because it empowers liberalism. THAT is demonic in nature, a concept the left scoffs the louder at, spitting in God's eye every time they do it yet they do it under the satanic guise of religion, with people like Revs. Barry Lynd and Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, and professional liar politicians like Al Goreghoul, and bill'pants on fire'clinton, and Dungheap Harkin, and Babs'catbox'Boxer, Ted'the swimmer'Kennedy, and ... well, the list is too long to place it all on this thread, but suffice it to say the list is mostly full of democrat party leadership, with a Specter and a Frist tossed in here and there. There is no delusion, it is willful service to evil for empowerment's sake.


259 posted on 06/30/2006 7:55:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: FJ290

LB is a (in Seinfeld's words) 'last worder', so debating isn't really the exercise with LB, getting the last word in is what it's all about. It really cannot help itself ...


260 posted on 06/30/2006 8:01:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Salvation
I saw Gianna Jessen on a television talk show when she was still a teenage girl. I think she was fourteen at the time. Even then she was beautiful, well-spoken, and absolutely awesome.

The truth of her message reveals the shame and lies that Planned Parenthood is based on. I'll bet that Planned Parenthood would love to put a hit on the girl and finish the job they botched all those years ago.
261 posted on 06/30/2006 8:18:47 PM PDT by redheadtoo
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To: everyone

Excellent guerrilla warfare against the Party of Death.

Let's do this on some other issues, too.


262 posted on 06/30/2006 8:21:52 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Salvation; MHGinTN; pollywog; exile

The article no anyone on this thread ever said if they State House went ahead and voted to honor Rocky Mountain PP's 90th anniversary of if the vote was cancelled, failed or what.

Somebody help the boy out here. I'm assuming they went ahead and voted to give the honor to the baby killers.


263 posted on 06/30/2006 8:39:16 PM PDT by no dems (www.4condi.com)
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To: no dems

Earlier in this thread or through a link to another thread on this event I think the vote went 20 to 11 to commend PP-hood.


264 posted on 06/30/2006 9:11:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN; FJ290

You assert something and I suggest that the situation might be not quite be that clear cut. Neither of you can stand having someone question your dogmatic hard-wired narrow-minded point of view and then have a civil discussion about the issue wih an admission the other guy might have a point.

Your problem, not mine.

p.s. If you're getting your philosophy of life from Seinfeld you might want to work on that.


265 posted on 07/01/2006 3:12:55 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: California Patriot

**Excellent guerrilla warfare against the Party of Death.

Let's do this on some other issues, too.**

Great idea! Thanks.


266 posted on 07/01/2006 8:01:01 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: pollywog

Name of the book, please.


267 posted on 07/01/2006 8:04:02 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Locomotive Breath
You assert something and I suggest that the situation might be not quite be that clear cut. Neither of you can stand having someone question your dogmatic hard-wired narrow-minded point of view and then have a civil discussion about the issue wih an admission the other guy might have a point. Your problem, not mine.

Excuse me, but "dogmatic, hard wired narrow minded point of view" brings this conversation down to a personal level. I suggest that you take ten deep breaths and calm down.

268 posted on 07/01/2006 9:36:40 AM PDT by FJ290
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To: Locomotive Breath
"I don't agree that Christians are the ONLY group. But if you're going to hold yourself up as a standard of moral authority then you had better live it word and deed. A different (higher) standard is exactly right.

That the majority of the world knows nothing of the realities of the Christian life--and more importantly, has little or no interest and/or respect for it--yet feels more absolute freedom i.e., greater "righteous indignation"--to jump on anyone who calls themself a Christian they perceive as having stepped over the bounds of what they think they know about being a "good Christian"--in a way that NO other group is faced with is known to be a fact by anyone who has truly attempted the Christian life in the world for any length of time.

It's just part of the spiritual warfare raging all around us that for Christians to say something is wrong is bigotry, but to make generalizations about Christians being "narrow minded", "hateful", "bigots", etc, etc is somehow exempt from such immediate blanket condemnation.

For anyone to say otherwise is about a valid as a white person dismissing the claims of personal experiences of racism by a black person by telling him or her that there is no racial prejudice toward black people in this nation and they can prove it because they them self have never experienced it.

I think it is fair to say that anyone truly attempting to live the Christian life would likely agree as result of personal experience that the world (those with zero understanding of/interest in/respect for the Christian life) feel free to criticize Christians' for perceived failures like NO other group in the world.

Personally I think it is a mistake for Christians to sound as if we see ourselves in the role of standing in judgment of the behaviors of others as if we "hold yourself up as a standard of moral authority". Many of the Christians I've known do not go around doing this, yet it is common that anyone who has publicly identified himself as Christian is attacked as if by hungry jackals as if they do whenever they have some "sin" exposed.

As Christians, we are not trying to earn our salvation or even favor with God, but rather seek to live according to a higher standard to serve and to bring honor to God-- but, of course, we fight our selfish human nature and constantly fall short.

The only real "higher standard" is between us and the Lord. And, I agree, any true believer has an obligation to hold ourselves to a higher standard, according to the level of our maturity in our faith, and part of Christian fellowship includes holding each other to account. But what I was referring to is the open season on Christians, which is about a valid as someone who has never even heard of baseball before being told its about using a bat to hit a ball and score runs and then being told to go and umpire a game.

Most true Christians I know acknowledge themselves as merely "sinners saved by grace", but are accused of being "self-righteous" and "giving Christianity a bad name" if we dare say we think something is wrong.

I know for myself I DO sound "righteous" sometimes, but it is generally due to a combination my own human weaknesses--I seem to somehow fall well short of the perfection of Christ every time-- as well as an at least somewhat justified indignation at hearing the same trite criticisms from those who don't have any idea what they're talking about.

269 posted on 07/01/2006 1:08:34 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: NYer; Salvation

This was posted several times to the News/Activism Forum, 2 weeks ago.

#####

But it certainly has not made it to the pages of the NYT, Baltimore Sun, OpinionJournal.com, RealClearPolitics.com, or conservative talk shows.

The more times such a powerful item is posted, the better.

New readers today and every day


270 posted on 07/01/2006 1:18:20 PM PDT by maica (Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Salvation
I'M sorry I was off yesterday and just got back on here. Here is the Amazon link to her story. It was one book I just could not put down. Polly Her book is called Gianna: Aborted... and Lived to Tell About It. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1561797111/sr=8-8/qid=1151802148/ref=sr_1_8/002-3164403-4624813?ie=UTF8
271 posted on 07/01/2006 6:08:42 PM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Salvation

Great story bump!


272 posted on 07/01/2006 6:13:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Let them die of thirst in the dark.)
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
I agree that nonbelievers are uniquely hard on Christians and it is unfair.

If you wanted the easy path you have chosen poorly. : )
273 posted on 07/02/2006 4:01:12 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath
True.

I sometimes wonder why some feel a need to pursue truth and others are not bothered by such a nagging need, but once we acknowledge that there is such a thing as absolute, unchanging truth among the tangle of lies and illusions it is impossible to be have any level of self-respect without making an effort to live it--imperfect as our efforts will always be.

274 posted on 07/02/2006 9:44:51 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Salvation

This may be one of the best examples of democRATs looking foolish since bill clinton needed a dictionary for a two letter word or the hillary "plantation" remark.


275 posted on 07/04/2006 9:51:16 PM PDT by NavySon (ted kennedy : the only man whose blood alcohol content is greater than his IQ.)
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To: Salvation

"...honoring the 90th anniversary of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains."

Something tells me they would be more reluctant to honor the anniversary of the death-penalty. But then again, the death penalty kills murderers and rapists, so the democRATs wouldn't be able to fulfill their lust for killing babies.

PS: If all the murderers and rapists got the death-penalty, there would be no more democRAT politicians.


276 posted on 07/04/2006 9:55:30 PM PDT by NavySon (ted kennedy : the only man whose blood alcohol content is greater than his IQ.)
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To: Locomotive Breath

You have smoked too many locomotive weeds.


277 posted on 07/05/2006 9:48:58 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

You don't have any idea what you're talking about.


278 posted on 07/06/2006 6:51:53 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Locomotive Breath
Bump

Miss Jessen is in a new 527 ad speaking about Obama's support of infanticide.

279 posted on 10/27/2008 12:43:16 PM PDT by Tree of Liberty (Islam delenda est)
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