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Planned Parenthood Celebration Jolted by Abortion Survivor [Colorado]
CatholicEducation.org ^ | May, 2006 | Ted Harvey

Posted on 06/28/2006 11:25:07 AM PDT by Salvation

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To: Locomotive Breath
This is exactly the kind of stunt that gives Christians a bad name.

Kinda like those radicals who threw the tea in the boston harbor?
51 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:39 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: BagCamAddict
at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

At what age can a human live outside the womb without help from an older human?
52 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:40 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Delphinium

That was purely political and they made no claim to moral superiority. I hold Christians to a higher standard. Do you not?


53 posted on 06/28/2006 1:55:58 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: BagCamAddict
"...my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb."

What age might that be?

So, by that logic... if a "fetus" comes out of the womb "alive" but dies later... does not survive, it was never a baby? How long does the fetus have to survive out of the womb? One second? One minute? One year? What if the fetus could have survived, but no one cared for it?

...not looking to pick a fight, just trying to understand this kind of thinking.

jw

54 posted on 06/28/2006 2:02:46 PM PDT by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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To: Salvation; Lil'freeper

Wow


55 posted on 06/28/2006 2:07:47 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper (..it takes some pretty serious yodeling to..filibuster from a five star ski resort in the Swiss Alps)
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To: Salvation

Thank you for posting this. That was just too sweet.... I wish I could have seen those faces.


56 posted on 06/28/2006 2:18:54 PM PDT by tarawa
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To: Delphinium; BagCamAddict
"At what age can a human live outside the womb without help from an older human?"

From my experience it's around 18 years old.

Also don't forget many grown up human taxpayers are supporting people beyond their 80's. So I ask, at what age can we start killing older humans who need younger ones to take care of them?

How I hate situational ethics such as when a "fetus is only human when it can get a job" or some other bs like that. A human is a human no matter what age.
57 posted on 06/28/2006 2:20:05 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Locomotive Breath
These were Christian men, who knew Gods word. They probably practiced Christianity more fully than any of todays standards. They claimed moral superiority all through their speeches, check it out. By being so educated by the the Bible the way they were, they understood that Freedom was a God idea.

I believe that these Christian, Bible believing colonists, some dressed as Native Americans,(imposters),who boarded British ships and tossed the tea cargo, (that did not belong to them) into Boston Harbor were inspired by God.

Inspired by God, just as this Gianna Jesson, and Ted Harvey were this day, to make a very important statement. I believe God was able to touch many hearts that day. Whether or not those that were touched by the Spirit of God concious's was more seared is between them, and God.

. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Beside, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of Nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us." -- Patrick Henry
58 posted on 06/28/2006 2:21:18 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Locomotive Breath

This "stunt" was very crafty, something Jesus extols. Ted Harvey employed an effective rhetorical technique to communicate his message.

Following Jesus is what gives Christians "a bad name" (see Luke 6:22).


59 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:07 PM PDT by Theo
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To: Locomotive Breath
He did not lie at all. He just set the bad guys up TO FACE THE TRUTH!! And, of course, they cannot ever HANDLE the truth.

Now, please do me a favor.... don't post to me again.

60 posted on 06/28/2006 2:25:41 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: Salvation
Wow, she's cute. How many great people have been snuffed out for convenience ? How many cures will never be found? How many great scientists and inventors were never born ?
61 posted on 06/28/2006 2:27:01 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Salvation
Wow, she's cute. How many great people have been snuffed out for convenience ? How many cures will never be found? How many great scientists and inventors were never born ?
62 posted on 06/28/2006 2:27:43 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Delphinium
"Kinda like those radicals who threw the tea in the boston harbor?"

BTTT!!!!!

63 posted on 06/28/2006 2:28:10 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: John Lenin

I agree with you.


64 posted on 06/28/2006 2:28:52 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics arn't religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims! NO FAT ISLAMIC broads!!)
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To: Locomotive Breath
I hold Christians to a higher standard. Do you not?

Yes I do, and hiding being some false idea of what is Christian to excuse not fighting for the lives of unborn children is not Christianity. Remember judgement will begins at the house of God. If all of these "Christians" would have acted like Christians and voted pro-life , our nation, that God blessed us with wouldn't have murdered 50 million children.
65 posted on 06/28/2006 2:34:57 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Salvation

I last saw Gianna when she was about 13 years old. It is fantastic to see that she has grown into a Godly woman who is still fighting the battle!


66 posted on 06/28/2006 2:36:03 PM PDT by politicket
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To: BagCamAddict

Why yes the are whacko baby killers! The very moniker of "pro-choice" is an oxymoron! That baby has NO CHOICE!!!

A fetus becomes a baby at the moment of conception.


67 posted on 06/28/2006 2:45:49 PM PDT by g33k355 ("He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave.")
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To: Delphinium

There were plenty of ways to express themselves in a Christian manner. Anonymous mob violence and destruction of the property of others (who may have even shared their faith) over an issue of taxation is not something that I associate with the Christian faith. I'm sorry to learn that you do. Will you be firebombing an abortion clinic or a Planned Parenthood office if you feel inspired by God to do so?


68 posted on 06/28/2006 2:58:43 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Lion in Winter
They both lied and you know it. Maybe you feel there are different standards as to how to treat the unfaithful versus the faithful? Jesus weeps.

Now, please do me a favor.... don't post to me again.

You deserve no favors from me. And now you're exhibiting another behavior that doesn't seem exactly Christian to me. If you can't handle a civil counter argument to your point of view then you may find Freerepublic a difficult place to be. Let's just say that I'm inspired by God to witness for my faith as I understand it.
69 posted on 06/28/2006 3:09:33 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Salvation

Just awesome! Wish we could've heard her song, as well. God bless her! May God use her to turn around some who have given lip-service to the other side, and now have questions, if not deep regrets!


70 posted on 06/28/2006 3:10:37 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: Theo

Don't mistake being criticized for dishonesty for being persecuted for your faith.


71 posted on 06/28/2006 3:11:41 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: SlowBoat407
"It was despicable," said House Majority Leader Alice Madden, D-Boulder. "Ted Harvey doesn't care about proper decorum or the rules. He just wants to push his narrow agenda."

It's different for liberals pushing their narrow agendas, because theirs are the CORRECT agendas.

72 posted on 06/28/2006 3:14:42 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Locomotive Breath
Anonymous mob violence and destruction of the property of others (who may have even shared their faith) over an issue of taxation is not something that I associate with the Christian faith.

I hope you are in church on the 4th of July patting yourself on the back for all your good works.

I will be thinking of you, as I thank my God, and my Savior Jesus Christ for our radical founding Christian fathers. And His inspiration for a Free nation , that I am very priviledged to be born in.

I will be working hard for a pro-life congressional candidate as I do every election year. If I could count how many times some so called Christian has told me how unChristian politics are?
73 posted on 06/28/2006 3:15:45 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: Locomotive Breath
"This is exactly the kind of stunt that gives Christians a bad name."

It's funny how Christians are the ONLY group I EVER hear about getting a "bad name" as a group from any behaviors seen as "bad"--and it comes up virtually EVERY time any Christian is being chastised for anything the one offering the criticism doesn't like.

This widely practiced exception to the Bigotry Rule is just one of the many proofs that Christians are held to a different standard than anyone else--which itself bears testimony to the spiritual warfare described in the Bible.

74 posted on 06/28/2006 3:24:06 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Locomotive Breath
I guess I want a definition and taxonomy of lying. I haven't read the article carefully (but then I haven't accused an involved person of lying) but I don't recall a blunt, straight-up, intentional statement of something the speaker knew to be false, as you might say,"Lying in the first degree." I think there was misdirection and a certain amount of speaking in riddles, and I'm really not clear that's always wrong.

Further, whatever most pro-choice people believe, it seems that the law allows, and requires states to allow, and permits parents and fathers from being excluded from a position to influence abortion at any stage up to and including a few minutes after the birth of a viable infant.

And my impression, possibly mistaken, is that most pro-choicers don't want the law changed.

As to causes of CP, I concede that CP is not caused by one and only one thing and that we don't know all the causes.

Do you know, however, that anyone knows that the introduction of the saline solution did NOT cause this woman's CP? Do you know that know one knows that it did?

The whole mess is complicated, in this particular instance, though I think the morality is clear.

75 posted on 06/28/2006 3:24:15 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (If the gates of Hell prevail against it, it probably never was a church anyway.)
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To: Delphinium
I notice that you didn't answer my question.

I will be working hard for a pro-life congressional candidate as I do every election year. If I could count how many times some so called Christian has told me how unChristian politics are?

You've just made my point. I have absolutely no objection at all to someone whose faith motivates their political activity as long as it is done in the full light of day in accordance with the laws of the nation.
76 posted on 06/28/2006 3:26:33 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: Theo
"Following Jesus is what gives Christians "a bad name" (see Luke 6:22)."

Well said.

Christians are clearly warned that the world will vilify them. They will never get a fair shake, and in fact if they are "popular" in the world, should probably do serious self-examination as to what kind of job they are doing as representatives of Christ.

As long as a Christian is hearing claims such as "That's the sort of thing that gives Christians a bad name!" from the world he or she can probably sleep well at night, knowing they are serving well and merely paying the price that comes with true service.

77 posted on 06/28/2006 3:30:50 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Locomotive Breath
You've just made my point.

That does not make your point.

I'll be back after church to argue my point some more.
78 posted on 06/28/2006 3:37:21 PM PDT by Delphinium
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To: BagCamAddict
(And to reduce the number of people who will ask me at what point a "fetus" becomes a "baby", I'll tell you my personal definition: The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb.)

Aren't you glad that your mother didn't decide to abort you?

Just because your opinion is a baby only becomes one when it can survive outside the womb doesn't make it so. That's a human life that is forming inside the womb.

It is the kind of attitude that reduces it from being a human being until born that is resulting in millions of babies being aborted each year worldwide. I guess it's easier to kill them when you don't consider them human.

79 posted on 06/28/2006 3:51:21 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: BagCamAddict
The point at which the baby can survive outside the womb

SO you define humanity by the progress of medical technology at saving premature births? OR do you think we should leave them all to nature and see if the live or die before deciding if the are human yet? Or did you mean at the point where they can survive without someone or something performing the function of the mother? Then we can abort up to a few years old.

I am sorry but adjusting the point were you are allowed to kill a baby by a couple months does not relieve them of 'whacko baby killer' status.

Pro-abort types are willing to draw that line, and willing to move it around based on whim or new research. Pro-lifers say no-one should be allowed to draw the line and say 'you are human and you are not'. The point is not WHERE you draw the line. The issue is that you are WILLING TO DRAW IT and then kill a developing human based on it.
80 posted on 06/28/2006 3:57:09 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: Locomotive Breath
I was, presumably, someone's unwanted pregnancy as I was adopted as an infant in 1957. It's easy enough to understand why I don't support Planned Parenthood. However, I find the manner in which this young lady was sneaked into the Colorado House on false pretenses to be dishonest and unChristian. This is exactly the kind of stunt that gives Christians a bad name.

She got in with the consent of the author, the minority leader and with permission from the House Speaker. They didn't get as upset with her presence as you have. Christians at times have had to be bold to get a chance to even be heard. She didn't break any laws.

81 posted on 06/28/2006 4:01:14 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: Locomotive Breath
You've just made my point. I have absolutely no objection at all to someone whose faith motivates their political activity as long as it is done in the full light of day in accordance with the laws of the nation.

Please.. enlighten us. What law did she break?

82 posted on 06/28/2006 4:05:00 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: Salvation

Astounding!

Made me shiver


83 posted on 06/28/2006 4:11:42 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: NYer

When I saw it I was so excited that I didn't do a search. Thanks.


84 posted on 06/28/2006 4:12:20 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Lion in Winter
SOME STORIES NEED REPEATING!!! Can I get an AMEN????

Amen and Amen!

85 posted on 06/28/2006 4:12:37 PM PDT by FJ290
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To: jaredt112

You're welcome. Authored by a Republican!


86 posted on 06/28/2006 4:16:48 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for that story. Excellent!


87 posted on 06/28/2006 4:16:57 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (If Christians can go nuclear in a biblical way, would the Israelis go nuclear in a talmudic way?)
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To: Havok

U agree! Great TRUE story!


88 posted on 06/28/2006 4:17:24 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: baltoga

Sadly, I think your statement is true.


89 posted on 06/28/2006 4:18:07 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Campion

Wasn't aware that she had testified on a national government level. Someday the abortion advocates will meet their maker. And they won't be happy campers when they see what happens to those who assist in an abortion in any way!


90 posted on 06/28/2006 4:19:40 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: RexBeach

Thanks for the kind words.


91 posted on 06/28/2006 4:20:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Locomotive Breath; cgk; NYer; Salvation

Just out of curiosity, do you think that the message Ted Harvey sought to spread - with the help and permission of an abortion survivor - wasn't worth what he went through to get it done? Especially considering that he would've (most likely) been turned down had he said the person speaking would be talking about abortion?

After all, the practice of abortion has ended the lives of over 700,000,000 globally since 1920. And that's just recorded. Estimates come around to 900,000,000-1,000,000,000 range. That's a lot of dead babies.

Let me just ask you something; do you think the message wasn't worth it? A message that basically = "Abortion is bad and the unborn are human"?

Please think about your answer. I think God would be a bit more angry at the practice of abortion, and not at Ted Harvey for jumping through the loopholes that exist for abortion (I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have existed if the speaker was going to speak about 'gay rights').


92 posted on 06/28/2006 4:34:57 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Conservatives teach you how to fish. Liberals give you the fish by stealing it from the fisherman.)
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To: FJ290

I was referring to the Boston Tea Party because it was given as an appropriate example of Christian activism.


93 posted on 06/28/2006 4:35:24 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: FJ290

** A miracle indeed!**

Amen!


94 posted on 06/28/2006 4:35:49 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Nihil Obstat

**each of the other 40,000,000 US victims of abortion had a special gift from God to share with us.**

Agreed!


95 posted on 06/28/2006 4:36:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: OldFriend

Thanks for your kind words. My sentiments exactly.


96 posted on 06/28/2006 4:37:28 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Sunshine Sister

Not on the ABCNNBCBS agemda, is it?


97 posted on 06/28/2006 4:39:30 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
I assume Ted Harvey regularly gets the chance to speak as a legislator. He has numerous opportunities to make his opinion known on matters of importance.

If you read my original post you know that I assume that if the laws had been written in 1957 as they are today I would not be here. You don't need to convince me.

I don't believe you can convince anyone of the righteousness of your cause by dirty tricks.
98 posted on 06/28/2006 4:39:35 PM PDT by Locomotive Breath (In the shuffling madness)
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To: sachem longrifle

**But Planned parenthood claims they are neutral on abortion**

NOT!!!!!


99 posted on 06/28/2006 4:40:26 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: tioga

AMEN! to your prayer. And I bet God has blessed others through her, too!


100 posted on 06/28/2006 4:41:17 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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