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Cannon Wins, America Loses... But We're Still Optimistic
Team America PAC ^ | 06/28/2006 | Bay Buchanan

Posted on 06/28/2006 11:33:08 AM PDT by NapkinUser

After a huge push from the illegal alien lobby, Chris "King of Amnesty" Cannon defeated Team America endorsed Candidate John Jacob 56-44% in Utah's 3rd congressional district.While we are obviously disapointed in the result, the campaign was still a victory for the cause of secure borders. Cannon accredits his win to "extremists" who backed Jacob (i.e. us) and turned off voters. This couldn't be further for the truth. If he didn't have to hide from his pro-illegal record, Cannon would have coasted to victory. In order to defeat a political novice, Cannon had to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars out of his own pocket and from his corporate cronies, engage in a smear campaign against us and Jacob, lie about his pro-illegal record, and solicit support from George W and Laura Bush. The pro-amnesty lobby cannot afford to do this for every one of their politicians. While Cannon managed to slip by us this time, the lesson of this campaign is clear: if you want an easy reelection: secure our borders and oppose amnesty. Team America will be targeting other pro-amnesty candidates in the near future. READ MORE


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; americawins; antirepubbuchananilk; baybuchanan; cannon; danelovesbaybuchanan; election2006; electioncongress; elections; getoverit; housemanager; immigrantlist; impeachmentmanager; jacob; morewhining; rosettastone; sendmoremoney; sorelosers; utah
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Well that certainly sucks. I knew Chris Cannon would win (see posting history) but I thought Jacob would do better than that.

I figure it was mostly president Bush's endorsement of Cannon in a very pro-Bush district. It says a lot though that Bush felt the need to even get involved in a primary.

1 posted on 06/28/2006 11:33:12 AM PDT by NapkinUser
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To: NapkinUser

In the big picture it means nothing changes. Utah has shown itself to be a fairly illegal friendly state. If the OBL thinks the issue will go away because Cannon won, they're in for a serious disappointment.


2 posted on 06/28/2006 11:40:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: NapkinUser
Oh your spin is just so silly.

Something wrong with the President 'getting involved' in this primary?

3 posted on 06/28/2006 11:42:00 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: OldFriend

"Something wrong with the President 'getting involved' in this primary?"

It's unusual.

But no, and neither is Tancredo, Bay Buchanan and Team America PAC getting involved.


4 posted on 06/28/2006 11:45:30 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Can Chris Cannon. Go here: www.electjohnjacob.com/)
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To: NapkinUser

You may have noticed that the pathetic little girls have added to the keywords list.


5 posted on 06/28/2006 11:51:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: NapkinUser

IB4D


6 posted on 06/28/2006 11:54:34 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: cripplecreek

I saw that. When I started the thread, I added the keywords: 'Cannon,' 'Jacob,' 'immigrantlist' and 'Utah.'

Almost immediatley some petty person added the keywords: 'Bay Buchanan,' 'sorelosers' and 'send more money.'


7 posted on 06/28/2006 11:55:18 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Can Chris Cannon. Go here: www.electjohnjacob.com/)
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To: colorcountry

LOL


8 posted on 06/28/2006 11:58:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: NapkinUser

Typical democrat style tactics. Fortunately conservatives aren't swayed by childrens games.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 11:59:44 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: NapkinUser

"I figure it was mostly president Bush's endorsement of Cannon in a very pro-Bush district. It says a lot though that Bush felt the need to even get involved in a primary."

President Bush and Ther First Ladies UNUSUAL INTERJECTION into a local GOP primary propably cost Jacob at least 3-4 %.
jacobs own mistakes propably 2-3%.

He still finished 3% higher than Matt Thortoton in 2004 (42%)
Jacob finished abouy 46%


10 posted on 06/28/2006 12:01:35 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: cripplecreek

"In the big picture it means nothing changes. Utah has shown itself to be a fairly illegal friendly state. If the OBL thinks the issue will go away because Cannon won, they're in for a serious disappointment."

Cannon got 15,752 Votes.

If they think 15,752 will override the rest of America's 100 Million voters,
they are delutional.

Plus I bet you see Chris Cannon talking any more about that Comprehensive nonsense. He's got to run again in 2008.


11 posted on 06/28/2006 12:04:18 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: OldFriend

"Something wrong with the President 'getting involved' in this primary?:

It's just unusual for a President to get involved into a local GOP primary.

How many points do u think Cannon gained with The presidents and First ladies involvement?


12 posted on 06/28/2006 12:06:12 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
He still finished 3% higher than Matt Thortoton in 2004 (42%) Jacob finished abouy 46%

He finished at 44%. He spent more than 6 times than Throckmorton in 04 and got a whole whopping 2% bump.

13 posted on 06/28/2006 12:20:09 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: NapkinUser

This was a big loss for tancredo/bay buchanan, no matter how much the howard dean like "loss is victory" is used.


14 posted on 06/28/2006 12:21:31 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: NapkinUser
I figure it was mostly president Bush's endorsement of Cannon

Umm, maybe it's the fact that Jacob was a kook...?

15 posted on 06/28/2006 12:24:41 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: Dane
He spent more than 6 times than Throckmorton in 04 and got a whole whopping 2% bump.

True, but Cannon spent a lot more this time too, so I don't see the relevence.

Anyway, your side won this battle. Enjoy your victory.

16 posted on 06/28/2006 12:25:16 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: NapkinUser
It's time to move on.

Jacob lost.

But he forced Cannon to acknowledge his damaging pro-illegal past statements, and maybe Cannon will stop with the illegal pandering.

If not, there's always 2008.

But let's support Cannon and make sure the seat remains in GOP hands instead of getting mad, voting for the CP candidate, splitting the ticket, and the Dim wins.

17 posted on 06/28/2006 12:26:31 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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But let's support Cannon and make sure the seat remains in GOP hands instead of getting mad,

Absolutely, his constituents can write letters and express their opposition on the illegals issue at any time.
18 posted on 06/28/2006 12:28:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm trying to think but nothing happens)
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To: tennmountainman
VP Cheney has been here in NJ for the repub candidate's fundraisers. First Lady has been here too.

I don't see anything at all unusual about it.

That the President maintains control of the house and senate is the most important issue of our lifetime.

19 posted on 06/28/2006 12:29:19 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Dane
This was a big loss for tancredo/bay buchanan, no matter how much the howard dean like "loss is victory" is used.

But Dane, you predicted that what with Jacob being a novice, making misteps, and being a single-issue candidate, that Cannon would receive over 60%. Chris "Landslide" Cannon only got 55.8%. How come so little?

20 posted on 06/28/2006 12:35:28 PM PDT by Plutarch
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But Dane, you predicted that what with Jacob being a novice, making misteps, and being a single-issue candidate, that Cannon would receive over 60%. Chris "Landslide" Cannon only got 55.8%. How come so little?

56% is not bad especially since Cannon had a well funded challenger(although satan got in the way of him getting more money).

The big story though is the low turnout. With the massive local and national publicity, the Utah voters gave a big yawn to the "immigration referendum", that even tancredo/bay buchanan were touting as an immigration referendum.

It shows that immigration is not high on the radar screens or has much traction with voters in what is one of the most conservative districts in the country.

21 posted on 06/28/2006 12:40:22 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: NapkinUser

STUPID AND/OR TREASONOUS VOTERS!


22 posted on 06/28/2006 12:47:42 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: NapkinUser
I see everyone is still in acute denial here.

Bush's endorsement isn't a Rosetta Stone to explain Cannon's victory.

23 posted on 06/28/2006 12:52:21 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon)
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To: Dane
I think that the Senate Bill's obvious demise let some of the air out of the illegal issue. Bush's recent popularity rise helped make Bush's highly unusual intervention in a GOP primary more effective.

...that even tancredo/bay buchanan...

Dane, if a meteorite smote both Tancredo and Buchanan, the anti-illegal movement would continue apace without them. What would you do then? Do you have back-up strawmen ready to beat in case you lose your two favorites?

24 posted on 06/28/2006 1:08:03 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: cripplecreek
Chris Cannon, Utah Republicans, GOP Republicans running in 06 and 08 and the White House, now knows that Americans are "mad as HELL and we're not going to take" our voices to be shouted down by the Pro-Illegal Businesses that are promising $$$$$ as goodies to shut us up or out!

I know nothing about the other candidate, I do know, however, he was smeared in newspapers, media and probably by GOP thugs coming in to "win one for W" as has happened around the country but one loss did not lose WWII nor the Civil War.

Conservatives who try real hard and lose then whimper away with their tails behind their legs never learned a lesson from the "Real COWBOY" (Reagan) nor from A. Lincoln, (who in case you were subjected to Publik Skool before 1960) who lost at business, politics and love over 30 times before he won, then lost his life over his strong stands.

God's timing is not ours.

25 posted on 06/28/2006 1:09:02 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: OldFriend
That the President maintains control of the house and senate is the most important issue of our lifetime.

I think you're being a bit over dramatic there.

26 posted on 06/28/2006 1:11:14 PM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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To: Dane
The turnout was horrible!

Even with the Texas vote.

A fairly predictable victory but all the hyperbolic rhetoric got some issues brought out.
27 posted on 06/28/2006 1:16:04 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Dane

How many points do u think The President & First Ladies calls helped Cannon?

2-4%?


28 posted on 06/28/2006 1:18:40 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: jmc813
We are within one seat of a SCOTUS majority, with a man in the White House who will appoint conservative judges. We are likely to get at least one appointment in the next two years. It took us twenty years after the Borking to get back to this point. If we lose this opportunity by the Senate going Dem, it'll probably take another twenty.

Lose the House and we lose funding for Iraq, the tax cuts will be reversed and we'll have an impeachment.

I'd say that's important.

29 posted on 06/28/2006 1:19:32 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: OldFriend

Was the NJ a primary GOP election
or a general election?


30 posted on 06/28/2006 1:22:26 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: OldFriend

"That the President maintains control of the house and senate..."

A republican president helping republican candidates in general elections happens all the time.

But getting involved in a primary is rare. I could understand if it was some neo-Nazi, but Jacob was just a garden variety conservative who was more conservative on immigration.


31 posted on 06/28/2006 1:22:42 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Can Chris Cannon. Go here: www.electjohnjacob.com/)
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I agree it's a defeat, but Rome wasn't built in a day.

Yesterday, illegal immigration wasn't even on most peoples' radar screens. Today, it is a major concern for a large minority. Tomorrow, it will be THE social issue.

If you stand for patriotism and national sovereignty, the trend is your friend. If you are one of the internationalist, corporate elite, your days in the sun are numbered.


32 posted on 06/28/2006 1:22:52 PM PDT by AppleButter
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"Lose the House and we lose funding for Iraq, the tax cuts will be reversed and we'll have an impeachment."

The GOP controlled senate has had plenty of time to appoint Bush's nominee's.
If you want to place blame, place it where it should be.

Hundreds of GOP nominees for different courts are still waiting for hearing and appointments and who do u think controls the schedule and agenda.

THE MAJORITY GOP SENATE.


33 posted on 06/28/2006 1:25:56 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
How many points do u think The President & First Ladies calls helped Cannon? 2-4%?

Doh!

34 posted on 06/28/2006 1:28:15 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Is that a yes? Do u think more?


35 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:13 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
You're deluding yourself. Alito has already made a difference on the Court. One more conservative and Roe will be overruled.

Fortunately, it appears you single-issue folks don't have the votes to torpedo the Republicans and flip Congress to the Dems.

36 posted on 06/28/2006 1:50:00 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Thats a pretty safe seat in UTAH.
Cannon will do fine in the General Election


37 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:00 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: colorado tanker

You can't read.

I said nothing about Alito who is a great Justice (Thanks to those of us who unnominated Harriet Miers.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GOP COURT NOMINEES STILL WAITING FOR A HEARING AND APPOINTMENT TO THE BENCH.

What about that do u disagree with?


38 posted on 06/28/2006 1:53:29 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman

Primary election just this past month.


39 posted on 06/28/2006 1:53:53 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Dane
He spent more than 6 times than Throckmorton in 04...

Throckmorton spent $84,235 in 2004 compared to $246,552 spent by John Jacob. While unquestionably more, it's not nearly six times more. Don't just make stuff up, Dane.

40 posted on 06/28/2006 1:55:18 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Can Chris Cannon. Go here: www.electjohnjacob.com/)
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To: tennmountainman
You can't read.

Looks like your problem. I never said there weren't nominee judges waiting for confirmation.

Don't know where you get the idea there are "hundreds" waiting on confirmation, though. confirmthem reports 17 Circuit nominees pending.

Frist just got Kavanaugh confirmed. Conservatives need to keep up the pressure to get as many as we can confirmed before the election. It ought to be priority one for the Senate.

Perhaps you could explain how many Alitos and Kavanaughs you're gonna get confirmed if you and your buddies succeed in flipping Congress to the Dems???

41 posted on 06/28/2006 2:06:23 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: NapkinUser

Must be pretty bad when you have to accuse the support of a President who's about as popular as Herpes for your big loss.


42 posted on 06/28/2006 2:10:25 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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My "big loss"?

It's not even worth a response.


43 posted on 06/28/2006 2:38:25 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Can Chris Cannon. Go here: www.electjohnjacob.com/)
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To: NapkinUser

bay's big loss...and you're right, she's hardly worthy of a response.


44 posted on 06/28/2006 2:48:40 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: NapkinUser
The 'true conservatives' in the 3rd of Utah spoke either at the polls or by staying home it seems. In either case the voting populace in the 3rd chose to send their five term representative back to the general which is tantamount to another term regardless of the single issue crowd's efforts.

REP US HOUSE 3

Precincts Reporting CHRIS CANNON JOHN D. JACOB
Totals 623 100%623 55.8%32,306 44.2%25,589
Beaver 6 6 368 129
Juab 5 5 264 241
Millard 17 17 1,063 660
Salt Lake 323 323 10,044 9,525
Sanpete 28 28 2,101 1,046
Sevier 23 23 2,714 1,187
Utah 221 221 15,752 12,801

Get 'R Done


45 posted on 06/28/2006 3:04:42 PM PDT by deport
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To: tennmountainman

I think you hit the nail on the head.


46 posted on 06/28/2006 3:37:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: colorado tanker

There are many more than Circuit Nominees Waiting For Appointment.


47 posted on 06/28/2006 4:16:00 PM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: colorado tanker

My advice to the GOP Senate is to start humping them thru a lot faster than they got Kavenough before the elections.


48 posted on 06/28/2006 4:22:57 PM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: tennmountainman

Agreed. It's the number one priority for the rest of this Congress.


49 posted on 06/28/2006 4:25:50 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: tennmountainman
THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF GOP COURT NOMINEES STILL WAITING FOR A HEARING AND APPOINTMENT TO THE BENCH
Curious.. Where are you getting this info. Currently there are 55 Article III vacancies. Now all vacancies and nominations are important, but HUNDREDS?

Click

      Current Vacancies Nominations Since 1/2005 Confirmations
Sup. Ct. 0 (of 9) 3 2
Circuit 18 (of 179) — 10% 22 10
District 37 (of 674) — 5% 40 24
CIT 0 (of 9) 1 1
TOTAL 55 (of 871) — 6% 66 37

50 posted on 06/28/2006 4:40:50 PM PDT by deport
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