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Ultra-Orthodox Jews attack Christian tourists in Jerusalem
Haaretz ^ | Jonathan Lis

Posted on 06/28/2006 2:06:59 PM PDT by Michael81Dus

A group of 50 pro-Israel Christian tourists came under attack Wednesday from some 100 residents of the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Mea She'arim in Jerusalem. Three of the tourists and a police officer were wounded in the attack. They received treatment at the scene. The tourists arrived at Mea She'arim wearing orange T-shirts with the words "Love your neighbor as yourself" printed across them. As they neared one of the squares, the local residents apparently identified them as Christians and began to hit them. Police forces in the area stepped in to stop the violence, but did not make any arrests. Police say they are waiting for the tourists to file official complaints.

(Excerpt) Read more at haaretz.com ...


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Weird.
1 posted on 06/28/2006 2:07:00 PM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus

WTF?


2 posted on 06/28/2006 2:08:30 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: SJackson

Other sources say a guy who knows Hebrew has handed them out T-Shirts saying "convert and become a Christian" (or so) in Hebrew letters, which would make the anger of the orthodox understandable.

Have you further infos?


3 posted on 06/28/2006 2:08:56 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: Michael81Dus
Weird.

Anti-Christian bigotry is rife in Israel but we're not supposed to talk about it on FR.

4 posted on 06/28/2006 2:09:49 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Michael81Dus

One shouldn't wear things that one cannot read...that would have been a bad thing.


5 posted on 06/28/2006 2:10:23 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Sabramerican; Alouette

Can you comment on this, have you also heard partly contradicting reports about that incident?


6 posted on 06/28/2006 2:10:52 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: Michael81Dus
Christians proselytize, that's their gig. That pisses of the Orthodox Jews.

It's probably an "our religion is better than your religion" deal.

7 posted on 06/28/2006 2:11:04 PM PDT by zarf (It's not a question.....)
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To: Michael81Dus
Getting handed a t-shirt is not a reason to hit anyone.

Of course, this is Haaretz and they have an anti-Orthodox attitude so there may be facts missing.

If the reporting is accurate, this incident is disgusting.

8 posted on 06/28/2006 2:11:47 PM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: Michael81Dus

First I've heard of this. If true, they'll end up in jail.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 2:12:06 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: rogue yam
Anti-Christian bigotry is rife in Israel but we're not supposed to talk about it on FR.

Can you elaborate? Why would Chistians be "hated"?

10 posted on 06/28/2006 2:12:41 PM PDT by zarf (It's not a question.....)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
If you'd like to be on this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

Articles on Israel can also be found by clicking on the Topic or Keyword Israel.

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11 posted on 06/28/2006 2:12:45 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: zarf

Yeah, but they should fight the common enemy, who is definitely more dangerous... prayers up for the Israeli hostages of Pal. terrorists.


12 posted on 06/28/2006 2:12:48 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: Michael81Dus

Very simple explanation: Folks woke up in the morning and said to themselves, "Gee, things are just too darned quiet in the Middle East. How can we liven it up?"


13 posted on 06/28/2006 2:13:17 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: wideawake

Yep, Haaretz views Orthodox Jews as a bigger enemy than Hamas.


14 posted on 06/28/2006 2:14:22 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Michael81Dus

Were these folks Christian Missionaries active trying to convert people? Not saying that's an excuse, but may help in understanding WTF happened.


15 posted on 06/28/2006 2:14:36 PM PDT by Sax
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To: rogue yam
Anti-Christian bigotry is rife in Israel but we're not supposed to talk about it on FR.

What? I never heard of that? Tell me more or Freepmail me if you have to.

16 posted on 06/28/2006 2:15:23 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: SJackson

A comment appended to the haaretz article:

These hooligans are to Torah what the hilltop boys are to Zionism. That`s not news. What is new is the limp and cowardly response of the police. If any group rioted at the Prime Minister`s Office, can one imagine that no one would be arrested? After the haredim rampaged in Kikar Shabat for the Holy Martyr Vallis and after the haredim rampaged at Haddasah because of an autopsy, the police are afraid to mess with them.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 2:15:30 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: Michael81Dus
here is the Arutz-7 version:

Missionaries Accosted in Meah She'arim
Wednesday, June 28, 2006 / 2 Tammuz 5766

Jerusalem scuffle: Christian missionaries in a religious neighborhood were accosted by hareidi-religious youths. "Missionary activity here is like waving a red flag at a bull," one resident said.

Details of the incident are sketchy. It began shortly after 10 AM, when a group of tourists, apparently from Germany, walked into the religious neighborhood of Meah She'arim wearing orange shirts, emblazoned with the missionary slogan 'Your G-d is my god, Your people is my people." Some eyewitnesses reported seeing a missionary emblem on the back of the shirts.

A group of religous youths and men very quickly surrounded the group and started yelling at them to get out of the neighborhood. It was not clear whether the hareidim pushed them before or after an orange-shirted man kicked one of the hareidim. There were also conflicting reports as to whether the hareidim chased the Germans up the street, or whether another group of suspected missionaries was encountered nearby in a separate incident.

A spontaneous protest rally was held afterwards in Sabbath Square, between the traditional religious communities of Meah She'arim and Geulah, and two hareidim were reportedly arrested.

Arutz-7 has received anecdotal evidence of increased missionary activity in downtown Jerusalem. Jerusalem-area tour guide Yoni Berg told Arutz-7, "I'm in downtown fairly frequently, and I have seen them of late. Friends of mine who work there have also noted them. They wear shirts with the words 'Your G-d is my god, Your people is my people', and they pass out pamphlets that have Jewish themes but are designed to lead the misinformed to believe in Jesus."

"Most of the people refuse to take the pamphlets," Berg said, "but unfortunately, I have seen several cases where the missionaries engage Jews in conversation."

IsraelNationalRadio "Light Unto the Nations" co-host Jeremy Gimpel says, "Over the last few months, I've seen several different missionary groups in Jerusalem - more than I remember in the past. They claim to love us and support us unconditionally, but their actions prove their hatred and their desire to destroy the Jewish Nation. I always tell them that if every Jew converted to Christianity and gave up their belief in One G-d, there would be no Jewish Nation to love and bless, as they claim to want to do."

18 posted on 06/28/2006 2:15:51 PM PDT by APRPEH (You and I have a rendezvous with destiny.)
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To: APRPEH

Germany has Christians?


19 posted on 06/28/2006 2:17:57 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: gcruse

Sad if true, because in reality it's the Christian community who stands by Israel when the rest of the world wants her DEAD! Dead as the Red Sea...:(


20 posted on 06/28/2006 2:18:42 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
One shouldn't wear things that one cannot read...that would have been a bad thing.

I was thinking about selling a T-shirt in Russian that said, "F*** Russia. I'm an American and I can personally kick any of your a&&es. Come on. Try me right now."

I'd advertise that it said: "America loves Russia. We're glad the Cold War is over. Come over and shake my hand."

It would sell like hotcakes to tourists going to Russia.

21 posted on 06/28/2006 2:19:00 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999 !!!)
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To: Michael81Dus
From the Jerusalem Post. Hopefully the tourists will file complaints.

Haredim assault Christian tourists

A group of Christian supporters of Israel wearing t-shirts reading "Love thy neighbor as thyself" was assaulted Wednesday in Jerusalem's Mea Shearim neighborhood by a crowd of haredim, police said.

Three of the tourists were lightly injured in the late-morning attack in the well-known haredi neighborhood as was a police officer, Jerusalem police spokeswoman Sigal Toledo said.

They were treated on the scene by Magen David Adom paramedics.

Police arrested two haredi men suspected of attacking the members of the group.

The group of 50 tourists, who were apparently identified as Christians by local residents, came under attack while walking through the neighborhood by about 100 haredim who congregated in the area and started to hit them.

Police forces rushed to the scene to break up the attack.

Police said that they are waiting for the tourists to file a complaint with police so that they can press charges against the suspects.

The rare assault comes at a time of increasingly close relations between Israel and Christian supporters of Israel around the world.

At the same time, some members of the haredi sector view such ties as an anathema due to ongoing concerns over proselytizing.

After police dispersed the crowd of attackers, haredi residents set a garbage bin on fire in the area, forcing police to briefly close off the street to traffic in the area.

22 posted on 06/28/2006 2:19:57 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: yellowdoghunter
Here's an interesting comment posted at the source site:

Now, what do we have to do to get the authorities to enforce the anti-missionary laws on the books?

This is Israel, not America and it is ILLEGAL to missionize in Israel.

I did not know that! (/Ed McMahon voice)

23 posted on 06/28/2006 2:20:37 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

bttt


24 posted on 06/28/2006 2:21:13 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: APRPEH

Well that's a lot better reporting than the original posts article. I also found this:

Title: I was there and saw what happened

Name: Michael

City: Jerusalem State: Israel


It happens that I was there at the time, so I saw for myself most of what actually happened-- 1. These people were missionizing at the main intersection of Mea Shaarim, and were asked politely to leave, (in the same manner that you or I might ask someone in a technology park trying to get people to put on tefilin, to please leave). 2. The shirts I saw said- "Our God is your God", which is very different than "Love thy neighbor". 3. The crowd emerged almost a 1/2 hour after the first attempts were made asking them to leave. 4. The hot-heads (that exist in every sector; not just Hareidi), became active only once the police showed up.

Usually there is another side to a story. I think that people in this country would be more understanding of each other if the news media would aim to take a more neutral stance, and if the readers (from all sectors) would assume that if a report involving behavior of any one particular sector seems outlandish, there`s probably more to the story


25 posted on 06/28/2006 2:21:15 PM PDT by Sax
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To: SJackson

Forgive me for my ignorance concerning this subject but are these the same group that refuses to have their sons and daughters serve in the military to protect Israel?


26 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:08 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Michael81Dus

Lot of conflicting information.

The Mea She`arim is not a fruitful area for missionaries.

Also not so clear about t-shirts, period. I would think women would need their arms covered, which could be the simple answer.


27 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:15 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: gcruse

See 18 and 22. Apparently arrests are waiting on complaints, which I hope are filed.


28 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:31 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: SJackson

Other reports sound as if the tourists were responsible for the escalation, too. Certainly, violence is not to be tolerated, but I don´t hope that this has an negative impact on the tourism to Israel.


29 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:41 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: wideawake

see 18 and 22


30 posted on 06/28/2006 2:23:16 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: rogue yam
This is Israel, not America and it is ILLEGAL to missionize in Israel.

WOW!

31 posted on 06/28/2006 2:23:40 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: SJackson

Maybe it was the free cheeseburgers they were handing out...


32 posted on 06/28/2006 2:25:17 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: Lazamataz

I like that idea. You'll need another one printed in chinese charactors for our businessmen going there: "Formosa forever, the mainland whenever we can take it back!"


33 posted on 06/28/2006 2:25:38 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: rogue yam

No, many of these guys hate secular Jews, too. Probably more.

A lot of them pre-date the modern state of Israel and are anti-zionist, being that Israel is not pure enough for them.


34 posted on 06/28/2006 2:25:38 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Lazamataz

When I was in St. Petersburg last year (Russia, not Florida, thanks) there were street vendors selling shirts which showed the hammer-and-sickle "X"ed out Euro-style with the circle and slash which said "The Party's Over!" I thought those were fairly clever, but any slogan worn on a T-shirt, to me...gets old WAY before the shirt does!

Been there, done that, liked the T-shirt. Didn't buy one.


35 posted on 06/28/2006 2:26:07 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (Funny taglines are value plays.)
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To: rogue yam

He is correct.


36 posted on 06/28/2006 2:26:26 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: yellowdoghunter

I believe you are correct. About ten years ago, when Ehud Barak was running the Israeli Defense Forces, he initiated a plan to incorporate hareidim in the Armed Forces. I don't believe it went anywhere.


37 posted on 06/28/2006 2:26:34 PM PDT by gaspar
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To: Michael81Dus
WWJD?

38 posted on 06/28/2006 2:26:36 PM PDT by evets (huh?)
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To: RoseofTexas
Sad if true, because in reality it's the Christian community who stands by Israel when the rest of the world wants her DEAD!

Nevertheless, we will continue to stand by the Jews. Unlike the islamokillers, we know what's at stake and we know which side we need to be on.
39 posted on 06/28/2006 2:26:43 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: yellowdoghunter; rogue yam
This is Israel, not America and it is ILLEGAL to missionize in Israel....WOW!

Not WOW!

Try BS!

There are numerous missionaries in Israel. It's illegal to prosteylize minors.

It's illegal to pay for conversion.

If you evangelize adults, and can handle a non-monetary message, you won't run afoul of the law.

40 posted on 06/28/2006 2:27:32 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: zarf
You asked for evidence of Israeli anti-Christian bigotry. Check out this quote concerning Christian missionaries from an Israeli National Radio host:

"They claim to love us and support us unconditionally, but their actions prove their hatred and their desire to destroy the Jewish Nation.

The full article is at reply #18. That sounds bigoted to me. I am curious whether it is actually illegal to preach the Gospel in Israel. It seems unlikely to me, and I certainly hope it's not so, but I wonder.

41 posted on 06/28/2006 2:28:07 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: yellowdoghunter

To some extent. There are many Haredi in the IDF.


42 posted on 06/28/2006 2:28:12 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: gaspar

I always found that amazing. Here a group of hard-core Israelis who refuse to give up their land also refuse to fight for that land, they expected others to fight and die for it. I never quite understood that.


43 posted on 06/28/2006 2:28:36 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: Michael81Dus
Other reports sound as if the tourists were responsible for the escalation, too. Certainly, violence is not to be tolerated, but I don´t hope that this has an negative impact on the tourism to Israel.

There probably are two sides. They'll sort it out. And if need be there'll be arrests.

44 posted on 06/28/2006 2:29:10 PM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: yellowdoghunter

Not necessarily, but yes.

Clothing issues, for one.

Think Israel should only be re-established by God, for two.

(Personally have dabbled in becoming ultra-orthodox, but, candidly, so much is a tradition of men, as opposed to Levitical that they've lost the point.)


45 posted on 06/28/2006 2:29:22 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: SJackson

Thanks for the clarification on both accounts.


46 posted on 06/28/2006 2:29:43 PM PDT by yellowdoghunter (Vote out the RINO's; volunteer to help get Conservative Republicans elected!)
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To: SJackson

I thought it couldn't be done in streets or somesuch.


47 posted on 06/28/2006 2:30:23 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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To: Michael81Dus

"A group of 50 pro-Israel Christian tourists came under attack Wednesday from some 100 residents of the ultra-Orthodox neighborhood of Mea She'arim in Jerusalem."

Ahhhh....lighten up. The Ortho's are just warming up for the big event coming up....The International Gay Pride Parade.
Just honing up on action skills.


48 posted on 06/28/2006 2:30:44 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Michael81Dus

I wonder what they'd do to Scientologists? How about we send Tom Cruise over there to find out?


49 posted on 06/28/2006 2:31:12 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: Michael81Dus

This area is the home of a sect of Jews who often attack other Jews too. They are anti Zionist.

Every religion/group/nationality has its loons.

The difference between my people's loons is that they are like bees when the hive is attacked. They live an isolated existence uninterested in the world at large. They confront (Jew/Gentile whatever) when they feel their personal space has been violated.


50 posted on 06/28/2006 2:31:14 PM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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