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Pirates pursued democracy, helped American colonies survive
Physorg.com ^ | June 28, 2006 | Cathy Keen

Posted on 06/28/2006 10:42:22 PM PDT by JmyBryan

Blackbeard and Ben Franklin deserve equal billing for founding democracy in the United States and New World, a new University of Florida study finds.

Pirates practiced the same egalitarian principles as the Founding Fathers and displayed pioneering spirit in exploring new territory and meeting the native peoples, said Jason Acosta, who did the research for his thesis in history at the University of Florida.

“Hollywood really has given pirates a bum rap with its image of bloodthirsty, one-eyed, peg-legged men who bury treasure and force people to walk the plank,” he said. “We owe them a little more respect.”

Acosta, a descendant of a pirate who fought for the United States in the Battle of New Orleans, studied travel narratives, court hearings, sermons delivered at pirate hangings and firsthand accounts of passengers held captive by pirates. Comparing pirate charters with the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution, he said he was amazed by the similarities.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: arrrrrrrrrrrrr
Aargh!
1 posted on 06/28/2006 10:42:24 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: JmyBryan

Thanks, Mateys! Arrrrr....


2 posted on 06/28/2006 10:44:57 PM PDT by inkling
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To: JmyBryan

captain jack sparrow ping alert!


3 posted on 06/28/2006 10:47:46 PM PDT by Irishguy (How do ya LIKE THOSE APPLES!!!!)
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To: JmyBryan

Yeah, right. The founding fathers were no better than pirates. More from the moral equivalence crowd. My disgust with modern academia grows daily.


4 posted on 06/28/2006 11:03:18 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: JmyBryan
Arrr! I'm thinkin' that Captain Acosta be stretchin' the point just a bit, matey. Time to keelhaul the buggerblaster for castin' aspersions on old Ben and the boys. They was all sorts of social organizations with charters and elected heads in them days, including a number of chorches. And they was all sorts of poirates, too, from privateers to rogue military ships to escaped prisoners commandeering vessels. Not all was nice like that Laffite feller.

I wuz allas suspicious of that Sammy Adams feller, though. Allas in and out at all hours of the night and he niver seemed to lack for rum. If'n I didn't know bitter I'd say he was a smuggler, arr, begar and arrr...

5 posted on 06/28/2006 11:05:20 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: LibWhacker

You're lucky. Mine can't grow any further. The outhouse is full to brimming.


6 posted on 06/28/2006 11:05:43 PM PDT by SAJ (r)
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To: JmyBryan

Aarrgh ping :-)


7 posted on 06/28/2006 11:05:57 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: inkling
You know why pirate jokes are so funny, don't you????

They just arrrrrre.

8 posted on 06/28/2006 11:07:32 PM PDT by Defiant (MSM are holding us hostage. Vote Dems into power, or they will let the terrorists win.)
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To: Defiant

Will ye be seein' the new Jack Sparrow movie, then? I hear it's ARRRRRRR rated...


9 posted on 06/28/2006 11:09:26 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill
YELOL.

(Ye olde LOL).

10 posted on 06/28/2006 11:11:42 PM PDT by Defiant (MSM are holding us hostage. Vote Dems into power, or they will let the terrorists win.)
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To: LS

Ping.


11 posted on 06/28/2006 11:13:29 PM PDT by Springman
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To: Billthedrill
"And they was all sorts of poirates, too, from privateers to rogue military ships to escaped prisoners commandeering vessels."

One o' me ancestors, feller name o' Oliver, were a privateer in Revolutionary days.

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12 posted on 06/28/2006 11:16:59 PM PDT by decal (Different Tagline Tomorrow!)
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To: JmyBryan

The pirates and the Founding Fathers do have a lot in common. Whether it is common knowledge or not, many of the Founders were Freemasons, and so were the pirates. The common symbol of pirates, the skull and crossbones flag was, and still is a Masonic symbol.


13 posted on 06/28/2006 11:17:10 PM PDT by b3arsfan
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To: JmyBryan

I agree with the story. Did Pirates have the moral equivalence of our founding fathers? No, absolutely not, and thats not what the story is saying, but they were rebels and outcast, and had a rugged individualistic personality, and most important a disdain of aristocracy. The same can be said for many of our early patriots, Militiamen, pioneers and frontiersmen. There is plenty of historic documentation that Pirates and their descendants played a role in the American Revolution. I happen to be a related to the lieutenant on the frigate Josiah which was captained by Pirate Bartholomew Sharpe. No less than 10 men in this family line are on the roster of South Carolina Patriots in the American Revolution. Not bad for the blood kin of a Pirate.


14 posted on 06/29/2006 12:11:16 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: JmyBryan

I'm glad to know my ancestor John Paul [Jones] was doing the right thing. After all, he did add the "Jones" to avoid taxes. A noble goal.


15 posted on 06/29/2006 12:14:00 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: NavyCanDo
No, absolutely not, and thats not what the story is saying, but they were rebels and outcast, and had a rugged individualistic personality, and most important a disdain of aristocracy. The same can be said for many of our early patriots, Militiamen, pioneers and frontiersmen.

And it could be said that their leaders, our Founding Fathers, were at the very least upper class, though not born into it.

16 posted on 06/29/2006 12:25:43 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: JmyBryan

...another ignorant, Euro-identity academic, in her wishful thinking, confusing privateers with pirates. Revisionism is disgusting.


17 posted on 06/29/2006 12:35:07 AM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or your with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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To: LibWhacker

"Yeah, right. The founding fathers were no better than pirates. More from the moral equivalence crowd. My disgust with modern academia grows daily."

I think you may have missed the point...

But, then again, it might be a Freudian slip? Have something you want to share with us?


18 posted on 06/29/2006 12:36:22 AM PDT by yayforlater
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To: b3arsfan
The pirates and the Founding Fathers do have a lot in common. Whether it is common knowledge or not, many of the Founders were Freemasons, and so were the pirates. The common symbol of pirates, the skull and crossbones flag was, and still is a Masonic symbol.

That's a steaming pile.
19 posted on 06/29/2006 2:06:32 AM PDT by Jaysun (I'm from a little place called Smithereens. It ain't pretty out here.)
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To: JmyBryan
Good, so now we have a "cultural reason" to make librat traitors walk the plank? Shooting isn't good enough for these treasonous scabs.
20 posted on 06/29/2006 2:08:40 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Springman
You won't believe this . . . then again, you might:

Richard Burg, an Arizona State University professor and expert on pirates, said Acosta is performing a great service by emphasizing pirates’ democratic and egalitarian ways. “The men who sailed under the skull and crossbones were ordinary folk, like America’s revolutionaries, standing firm against oppressive governments and economic systems,” he said.

Richard Burg and I once wrote an article together for "The Historian," which remains, I think, the ONLY article ever written on pirate historiography. Burg's a hoot!

21 posted on 06/29/2006 6:09:21 AM PDT by LS
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To: JmyBryan

22 posted on 06/29/2006 6:13:06 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Jaysun

Actually, it's kind of murky whether or not the pirates who adopted the skull and crossbones were masons or they just adopted a known frightening symbol to signal their prey to surrender before the "joli rouge" went up.

I think a real distinction needs to be drawn as well between "privateers", rogue pirates, and islamic pirates such as the ones still operating off of the Horn of Africa.

Oh, and... "Aaaarrgghh!"


23 posted on 06/29/2006 6:24:00 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (What is our exit strategy in the war on poverty?)
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To: LibWhacker
The founding fathers were no better than pirates. More from the moral equivalence crowd.

In some ways they weren't. In many ways the pirates were not the low down scum that tabloid history paints them to be. This has nothing to do with 'moral equivalence' but rather what pirates did that is historical fact. Sorry you can't understand that.

24 posted on 06/29/2006 6:34:20 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: LS

You say it, I believe it.


25 posted on 06/29/2006 9:44:37 AM PDT by Springman
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To: JmyBryan

"This chair be hi, says I"
26 posted on 06/29/2006 9:50:12 AM PDT by smith288 (goBIGnetwork.com - You a startup?)
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To: JmyBryan
Pirate society was the epitome of pure democracy.
A greedy mob ruled by it's elected tyrant.

Undoubtedly fun to study from a far distance though.

27 posted on 06/29/2006 9:54:24 AM PDT by mrsmith
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To: JmyBryan
Just 81 days till

Talk Like A Pirate Day

http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html

28 posted on 06/29/2006 9:55:53 AM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: SlowBoat407
My disagreement is with the idea that the Skull and Crossbones, or Jolly Roger, is a Masonic symbol. And that pirates were Masons. And that they had anything in common with the Founding Fathers.

To want personal gain is human.
29 posted on 06/29/2006 9:19:14 PM PDT by Jaysun (I'm from a little place called Smithereens. It ain't pretty out here.)
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To: yayforlater
But, then again, it might be a Freudian slip? Have something you want to share with us?

Huh? Try to make more sense, will 'ya?

30 posted on 06/30/2006 1:03:13 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: billbears
Well, let's just compare the Framers to Neanderthal while we're at it. They had lots in common, after all. So Og and Thomas Jefferson "deserve equal billing for founding democracy in the United States and New World."

Makes about as much sense as Acosta's ridiculous slander; i.e., no sense at all.

31 posted on 06/30/2006 1:13:13 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

It's okay LibWhacker. Happens to the best of us.


32 posted on 06/30/2006 2:36:38 AM PDT by yayforlater
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