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Killing the passive smoking debate
Townhall ^ | 6/29/6 | Michael Fumento

Posted on 06/29/2006 7:34:44 AM PDT by ZGuy

“Secondhand smoke debate ‘over.” That’s the message from the Surgeon General’s office, delivered by a sycophantic media. The claim is that the science has now overwhelmingly proved that smoke from others’ cigarettes can kill you. Actually, “debate over” simply means: “If you have your doubts, shut up!”

But you definitely should have doubts over the new Surgeon General’s report, a massive 727-page door stop. Like many massive reports on controversial issues, it’s probably designed that way so nobody (especially reporters on deadline) will want to or have time to read beyond the executive summary. That includes me; if I had that much time I’d reread War and Peace. Twice. But the report admits it contains no new science so we can evaluate it based on research already available.

First consider the 1993 EPA study that began the passive smoking crusade. It declared such smoke a carcinogen based on a combined analysis (meta-analysis) of 11 mostly tiny studies. The media quickly fell into line, with headlines blaring: “Passive Smoking Kills Thousands” and editorials demanding: “Ban Hazardous Smoking; Report Shows It’s a Killer.”

But the EPA’s report had more holes than a spaghetti strainer. Its greatest weakness was the agency’s refusal to use the gold standard in epidemiology, the 95 percent confidence interval. This simply means there are only five chances in 100 that the conclusion came about just by chance, even if the study itself was done correctly.

Curiously, the EPA decided to use a 90 percent level, effectively doubling the likelihood of getting its result by sheer luck of the draw.

Why would it do such a strange thing? You guessed it. Its results weren't significant at the 95 percent level. Essentially, it moved the goal posts back because the football had fallen short. In scientific terminology this is know as “dishonesty.”

Two much larger meta-analyses have appeared since the EPA’s. One was conducted on behalf of the World Health Organization and covered seven countries over seven years. Published in 1998, it actually showed a statistically significant reduced risk for children of smokers, though we can assume that was a fluke. But it also showed no increase for spouses and co-workers of smokers.

The second meta-analysis, published in the British Medical Journal (BMJ) in 2002, likewise found a statistical significance when 48 studies were combined. Looked at separately, though, only seven showed significant excesses of lung cancer. Thus 41 did not.

Meta-analysis, though, suffer from such problems as different studies having been conducted in different ways – the apples and oranges conundrum. What was really needed was one study involving a huge number of participants over a long period of time using the same evaluation.

We got that in the prestigious British Medical Journal in 2003. Research professor James Enstrom of UCLA and professor Geoffrey Kabat of the State University of New York, Stony Brook presented results of a 39-year study of 35,561 Californians, which dwarfed in size everything that came before. It found no “causal relationship between exposure to [passive smoke] and tobacco-related mortality,” adding, however “a small effect” can’t be ruled out.

The reason active tobacco smoking could be such a terrible killer while passive smoke may cause no deaths lies in the dictum "the dose makes the poison." We are constantly bombarded by carcinogens, but in tiny amounts the body usually easily fends them off.

A New England Journal of Medicine study found that even back in 1975 – when having smoke obnoxiously puffed into your face was ubiquitous in restaurants, cocktail lounges, and transportation lounges – the concentration was equal to merely 0.004 cigarettes an hour. That’s not quite the same as smoking two packs a day, is it?

But none of this has the least impact on the various federal, state, and city agencies and organizations like the American Lung Association for a very good reason. They already know they’re scientifically wrong. The purpose of the passive smoking campaign has never been to protect non-smokers, but rather to cow smokers into giving up the habit.

It’s easy to agree with the ultimate goal, but inventing scientific outcomes and shutting down scientific debate as a means is as intolerable as it was when Nazi Germany “proved” the validity of eugenics.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2ndhandsmoke; agendadrivenscience; behaviordictators; biglie; controlfreaks; epa; fumento; hoaxes; junkscience; passivesmoking; politicizedscience; pufflist; secondhandsmoke; shs; sovietizedscience; surgeongeneral
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1 posted on 06/29/2006 7:34:46 AM PDT by ZGuy
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To: ZGuy

Science by decree.


2 posted on 06/29/2006 7:36:08 AM PDT by LIConFem (It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...)
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To: ZGuy

Well, I for one am glad it is a minority smoking causing second hand smoke death as opposed to the exhause from all the automobiles we were told did it.


3 posted on 06/29/2006 7:37:39 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: LIConFem

What would you think they would say if it were the Vatican laying down the law like this?

I suspect they wouldn't but it also looks like they're never going to see how totalitarian they look at this.


4 posted on 06/29/2006 7:39:54 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (www.stjosephssanford.org)
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To: ZGuy

I will support a ban as soon as cars are banned and sick people in public are banned. I'm tired of breathing their filthy secondhand germs. No one has a right to put my life in danger by going in public breathing germs into my airspace. Sick people in public kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people every year.


5 posted on 06/29/2006 7:41:34 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: LIConFem
Or,

Decree by pseudoscience and back door liberal/democrat/communist machination. How sad that the minority anarchists get their way.

6 posted on 06/29/2006 7:43:43 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: ZGuy

It wasn't that long ago that "eggs" were dangerous for us to eat.....then a "new study" determined that was not the case at all, eggs are actually good for us.


7 posted on 06/29/2006 7:44:17 AM PDT by TexasTaysor
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To: ZGuy
Like I said on another thread. Here we go again. Another meta-study, using no new information, no new studies, and the conclusion written before the meta-study began.

If you shout a lie loud enough and long enough it will be taken as Truth TM.

8 posted on 06/29/2006 7:45:07 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Just another Joe; ZGuy

I'm looking for the day when gubmint studies have to justify themselves. I know, don't hold my breath!


9 posted on 06/29/2006 7:47:05 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ZGuy
First consider the 1993 EPA study that began the passive smoking crusade. It declared such smoke a carcinogen

Well, duh, of course the smoke contains carcinogens -- we already knew that. The reality is that almost no one has ever gotten a significant exposure through the second-hand pathway.

10 posted on 06/29/2006 7:47:11 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: mysterio

Excatly!

There is no safe level of breathing vehicle fumes.
There is no safe level of saturated fat consumption.
There is no safe level of sugar.
There is no safe level of Driving.
There is no safe level of drinking.
There is no safe level of prescription drugs.

Etc... etc...

There is no safe level of life.


11 posted on 06/29/2006 7:49:06 AM PDT by CygnusXI (Where's that dang Meteor already?)
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To: Gabz

Ping


12 posted on 06/29/2006 7:49:13 AM PDT by overkill_007_2000
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To: mysterio
Remember when quarantine was a viable, medical approach to protecting society from the ravages of communicable disease? Today, its not fair that sexually active "typhoid Marys" are not allowed to ply their freedoms among the healthy; ergo, HIV and Hepatitis C are a bad date away.
13 posted on 06/29/2006 7:49:49 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: ZGuy
Breathing in any smoke can't be healthy by any stretch of the imagination.

That includes, vehicle exhausts, bar-BQ smoke, furnaces, factories, etc..

Singling out second hand tobacco smoke, which probably accounts for the smallest amount of exposure compared to the items listed above, doesn't amount to a hill of beans. IMO
14 posted on 06/29/2006 7:49:53 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

Ditto


15 posted on 06/29/2006 7:51:48 AM PDT by Thommas (The snout of the camel is in the tent...)
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To: HEY4QDEMS; Thommas

I like what you both said. And I think it's the fault of Liberals that we have to be so p.c. as to allow people to perpetrate their crap on the rest of us.


16 posted on 06/29/2006 7:52:29 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Gabz; SheLion

Ping-a-ling


17 posted on 06/29/2006 7:54:32 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Thommas

What does it mean, the snout of the camel is in the tent?


18 posted on 06/29/2006 7:55:42 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ZGuy

This whole clean air thing is a crock. Our ancestors in England, Europe or where ever spent their darkness hours in smoky huts with only a hole in the roof as a chimney. A bit over a 100 years ago cities like London had "fog" that was mostly coal and wood smoke, plus all the dirt of having horses and oxen as the prime movers.

The point is, mankind has lived for thousands of years around more polluted air than today and survived to the point there are almost 4 billion of people. The air today in the USA is almost as pure as air in an Intel chip fab clean room.


19 posted on 06/29/2006 7:57:24 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: ZGuy
MORE JUNK SCIENCE.

SEE FOLLOWING:

Smoking Out Bad Science

http://www.junkscience.com/news/euwsjets.htm

“For the past 15 years the anti-smoking lobby has pushed the view that cigarette smoking is a public health hazard. This was a shrewd tactic. For having failed to persuade committed smokers to save themselves, finding proof that passive smoking harmed non-smoking wives, children or workmates meant smoking could be criminalized. Last week the science fell off the campaign wagon when the definitive study on passive smoking, sponsored by the World Health Organization, reported no cancer risk at all.”

“But don't bet that will change the crusaders' minds. smoking, like fox hunting, is something that certain factions want to ban simply because they don't like it. It has slipped from a health crusade to a moral one. Today, National No smoking Day in Britain will be marked by demagoguery from the Department of Health, which has already set its agenda to ban smoking. The U.K. Scientific Committee on Tobacco or Health (SCOTH) report on passive smoking, due out Thursday, is headed by a known anti-tobacco crusader, Professor Nicholas Wald of the Royal London School of Medicine.”

“However, it is now obvious that the health hazard of environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) has been knowingly overstated. The only large-scale definitive study on ETS was designed in 1988 by a WHO subgroup called the International Agency on Research on Cancer (IARC). It compared 650 lung-cancer patients with 1,542 healthy people in seven European countries. The results were expressed as "risk ratios," where the normal risk for a non-smoker of contracting lung cancer is set at one. Exposure to tobacco smoke in the home raised the risk to 1.16 and to smoke in the workplace to 1.17. This supposedly represents a 16% or 17% increase. But the admitted margin of error is so wide--0.93 to 1.44--that the true risk ratio could be less than one, making second-hand smoke a health benefit. “

SEE ALSO:

EPA: Environmental Propaganda Agency

http://www.junkscience.com/news3/ibdostee.htm

"The Environmental Protection Agency jiggered the facts to push its notion that passive smoke causes cancer. The EPA's dishonesty was recently laid bare in court. But this was too late for thousands of businesses and towns that responded to the EPA's junk science by passing anti-smoking measures."

"In '93, the EPA released a report on secondhand smoke. It claimed that evidence showed that environmental tobacco smoke, or ETS, is a Group A carcinogen. Secondhand smoke causes cancer in humans, said the EPA."

"Highly respected scientists questioned the EPA's findings. But the big-government crowd and health storm troopers gleefully waved the report in lawmakers' faces. They demanded that something be done. "

"Soon, airlines, offices, restaurants and even bars declared smoking verboten. Smokers effectively became lepers. All based on bad science. "

"Tobacco companies sued. The result? U.S. District Judge William Osteen issued his 92-page ruling against the EPA on July 17. Some of its findings:"

* "EPA failed to comply with the procedural requirements set forth by Congress."

* "EPA failed to comply with the requirements" of the Radon Research Act, which it used to conduct its ETS research.

* The EPA's indoor-air quality commission "did not include individuals from industry or representatives from more than one state," as required by law.

* "Using its normal methodology and its selected studies, EPA did not demonstrate a statistically significant association between ETS and lung cancer. . . . Instead, EPA changed its methodology to find a statistically significant association."

* "EPA began drafting a policy guide recommending workplace smoking bans before drafting the ETS Risk Assessment."

* "Rather than reach a conclusion after collecting information, researching, and making findings, EPA categorized ETS as a 'known cause of cancer' in 1989."

* The EPA's "administrative record contains glaring deficiencies."

* "EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before research had begun."

* The EPA "adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate the agency's public conclusion, and aggressively utilized the (Radon) Act's authority to disseminate findings to establish a de facto regulatory scheme intended to restrict plaintiffs' products and to influence public opinion."

* "EPA disregarded information and made findings on selective information. . . . (The EPA) failed to disclose important findings and reasoning, and left significant questions without answers."

”In short, the EPA lied."

For anyone (including myself, yes an admitted smoker) who compares these zealots as “nazis” I simply need remind all to one of Hitler’s many decrees (in his nanny-state efforts to protect his Aryan population ) by banning smoking in Nazi Germany.

PS. Before all of you non-smokers jump all over this, PLEASE, know that if any of you enjoy an occasional Big Mac (with fries) or Twinkies, or anything else which "do-gooders" deem "unhealthy," YOU, are next!!!

First will be "taxing" these unhealthy goodies; thereafter, the banning, thereof. Count on it.

20 posted on 06/29/2006 8:02:16 AM PDT by seasoned traditionalist
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To: Froufrou

"What does it mean, the snout of the camel is in the tent?"

Yes.

They want to "control" smoking, (abolish it). Once that's accomplished, they will be emboldened. Personal freedom is significantly at risk in American right now.


21 posted on 06/29/2006 8:19:12 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: brownsfan
Why is it that we can't just let the problem take care of itself? Generation X may smoke, but much less than my generation did, and there are so few places left that permit it there will be a natural decline.

I don't want to see everything made illegal. People fornicate enough as it is. If they're left with no other recreation, than procreation, we're doomed fer shure.
22 posted on 06/29/2006 8:23:59 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ZGuy; Gabz; SheLion; leda

this is actually well-written, and scientifically correct.


23 posted on 06/29/2006 8:32:17 AM PDT by patton (...in spit of it all...)
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To: Froufrou

"Why is it that we can't just let the problem take care of itself?"

Because that's how conservatives do things. It's not in the liberal's nature to let things work themselves out. They are smarter than us, so they need to regulate the lives of the little people.

Not always, but most of the time, things manage to work themselves out for the better.


24 posted on 06/29/2006 8:32:51 AM PDT by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: ZGuy; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; Mears; ...

Nanny State PING

Michael Fumento, once again, gets it !!!!!!!!


This is not about smoking or health ..........it is about controlling what (supposedly) free people choose to do.


25 posted on 06/29/2006 9:52:17 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: seasoned traditionalist
PS. Before all of you non-smokers jump all over this, PLEASE, know that if any of you enjoy an occasional Big Mac (with fries) or Twinkies, or anything else which "do-gooders" deem "unhealthy," YOU, are next!!!

You are, of course, correct....with one little caveat. there is a vast difference between non-smokers and anti-smokers. Most non-smokers, even while enjoying the results, do not support government mandated smoking bans in private businesses. Anti-smokers, OTOH, have decreed all private places are now public places and insist on government mandated bans EVERYWHERE.

26 posted on 06/29/2006 9:55:06 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: RicocheT
This whole clean air thing is a crock. Our ancestors in England, Europe or where ever spent their darkness hours in smoky huts with only a hole in the roof as a chimney.

And their life expectancy was 45 years. Yeah - what a great life that was.

27 posted on 06/29/2006 9:55:37 AM PDT by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Thommas
How sad that the minority anarchists get their way.

I wish they were anarchists. This is the tactic of nanny statists and police states.

28 posted on 06/29/2006 10:09:31 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Froufrou
And I think it's the fault of Liberals that we have to be so p.c. as to allow people to perpetrate their crap on the rest of us.

I disagree. It is the fault of the "Conservatives" that allowed the commies to make us a PC nation which has allowed the commie crap to be perpetrated on the masses with no resistance.

29 posted on 06/29/2006 10:13:22 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Thommas
Remember when quarantine was a viable, medical approach to protecting society from the ravages of communicable disease?

You should be pleasantly surprised here.

'Tough Love' Lessons From a Deadly Epidemic (NYC considers measures to control HIV like TB)

30 posted on 06/29/2006 10:14:01 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Just A Nobody

Hey, I resist plenty. The PC nation happened under their watch, not ours.


31 posted on 06/29/2006 10:17:26 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: ZGuy
I wonder how many people here can recognize the gents in this photo.


32 posted on 06/29/2006 10:25:55 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Gabz

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 06/29/2006 10:34:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Froufrou
Hey, I resist plenty. The PC nation happened under their watch, not ours.

I understand what you are saying. My point was, where was OUR resistance while they were marching us into this communist utopia?

34 posted on 06/29/2006 10:40:00 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! www.irey.com and www.vets4Irey.com - Now more than Ever!)
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To: Just A Nobody

Unfortunately, I think it was the 70's and much of that era was a blur...as they no doubt intended. I heard Shrillary was in Dallas and they booed her because her hair was greasy and she had hairy legs and armpits.

Ewwwww.... <:-O


35 posted on 06/29/2006 10:42:34 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: mysterio

Anyone who comes into contact with even the minutestes particle of cigaret smoke will DIE!


36 posted on 06/29/2006 10:42:46 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: Just another Joe

About as significant as "An Inconvenient Truth."


37 posted on 06/29/2006 10:43:25 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: ichabod1

Anyone who breathes air even one time will die. And so will those who don't.


38 posted on 06/29/2006 10:45:43 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: ZGuy
Surgeon General reports have been ludicrous since the Dr. Koop released a ridiculous tome on Aids prevention. All it did was pander to the homosexual lobby with it's "We need more education given to the people about AIDS."

Then every congresscritter and Senator mailed out some flyer on AIDS protection (always use clean needles and here is how to wear a condom) without one word about AIDS prevention.

39 posted on 06/29/2006 10:45:57 AM PDT by N. Theknow ((Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.))
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To: Gabz
Fumento

Apropos name, that.

40 posted on 06/29/2006 10:45:58 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Let us not flinch from identifying liberalism as the opposition party to God.)
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To: ZGuy

bump


41 posted on 06/29/2006 10:48:21 AM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: ZGuy

There are a tremendous number of people injured and killed in falls every year. I await the study supporting the repeal of the law of gravity....It can't be far off.


42 posted on 06/29/2006 10:53:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: ichabod1

You're right.

But the guy does know his stuff. I've read most of what he's written on this subject over the years.


43 posted on 06/29/2006 11:11:04 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Smokin' Joe

Good one, my FRiend.


44 posted on 06/29/2006 11:12:29 AM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Cobra64
On the left Winston Churchill; on the right FDR. Now, please tell me, what was the point of identifying those two gentlemen?
45 posted on 06/29/2006 11:45:03 AM PDT by Oorang (Tyranny thrives best where government need not fear the wrath of an armed people - Alex Kozinski)
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To: Oorang
On the left Winston Churchill; on the right FDR. Now, please tell me, what was the point of identifying those two gentlemen?

Winnie smoked cigars, FDR smoked cigarettes. And I'm sure that Winston's folks smoke when he was growing up in Blenheim.

46 posted on 06/29/2006 11:56:22 AM PDT by Cobra64 (All we get are lame ideas from Republicans and lame criticism from dems about those lame ideas.)
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To: Gabz

Michael Fumento as the author of an article fighting the smoke gnatzies.....Now, for some reason I find that extremely funny.

Muy fumar es de nada! Excellente Senior Fumento!


47 posted on 06/29/2006 12:48:11 PM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: CSM

Michael Fumento has been writing articles fighting the smoke gnatzies for years. The guy knows his stuff.


48 posted on 06/29/2006 1:14:41 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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To: Gabz

Definitely sounds like it, thanks for bringing him to my attention. I will definitely keep my eye out for his work.

I still find it funny that his last name is associated with the fight against the smoke gnatzies......and yes, I know, my spanish sux!


49 posted on 06/29/2006 1:20:06 PM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: CSM

Check out Steve Milloy's JunkScience.com

I believe he has links to Fumento's stuff..........I also think he's a regular contributor to TownHall.com


50 posted on 06/29/2006 1:29:06 PM PDT by Gabz (Taxaholism, the disease you elect to have (TY xcamel))
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