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Utah race stirs calls for a deal on immigration
Houston Chronicle ^ | June 29, 2006 | Gebe Martinez

Posted on 06/29/2006 10:19:29 AM PDT by Dane

Utah race stirs calls for a deal on immigration After Bush ally scores a victory in GOP primary, one lawmaker pushes comprehensive bill

By GEBE MARTINEZ

WASHINGTON - With President Bush's immigration policy surviving fierce criticism in a Utah congressional race, lawmakers on both sides of the debate turned their attention Wednesday to finding a compromise on immigration legislation.

Those who oppose Bush's call for immigration reform — which includes a guest worker program and legalization opportunities for millions of illegal immigrants along with tougher border security — saw five-term Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah, survive a tough primary challenge after allying with Bush on the issue.

Cannon defeated businessman John Jacob 56 percent to 44 percent on Tuesday after Jacob, an opponent of Bush's immigration plan, tried to make the race a referendum on the issue. Most House Republicans want a bill that calls only for tougher enforcement of immigration laws.

Cannon's victory was celebrated by Rep. Mike Pence, R-Ind., who discussed with Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney on Wednesday his plan to tighten borders first and then leave room for consideration for other immigration programs.

He proposes that after two years, illegal immigrants would have to go home briefly to have their backgrounds and job status checked before being allowed re-entry to the United States. The Senate bill does not require most of the 12 million illegal immigrants to go home.

Pence said Cannon's victory indicates that "those of us who are calling for tough border security measures in some kind of a comprehensive bill can know that we're standing on a sure foundation of support among Republican voters."

White House spokesman Tony Snow, noting Cannon's win, said Americans want comprehensive reform. "The president remains determined to get all of the pieces addressed at once in legislation, and not to do it piecemeal, but to have comprehensive reform," he said.

But Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who formed a group that targeted Cannon for defeat, said the primary nonetheless showed that immigration is a tough election-year issue. "If it takes the president's participation in a safe Republican district to get elected, he's got a lot of work cut out for him," Tancredo said.

House Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio declined to say whether House Republicans would compromise their "enforcement only" stance for "enforcement first."

And House leaders said Cannon's win adds no momentum in the House to Bush's immigration policy. "The vast majority of our conference believes that strengthening our border, securing it and enforcing our laws are critical steps in the process of cleaning up the problem that we have," Boehner said.


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But Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., who formed a group that targeted Cannon for defeat, said the primary nonetheless showed that immigration is a tough election-year issue. "If it takes the president's participation in a safe Republican district to get elected, he's got a lot of work cut out for him," Tancredo said.

IOW, tancredo is so dizzy, yes so dizzy trying to spin his humiliating defeat.

1 posted on 06/29/2006 10:19:33 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Dane
We Lost the (Immigration) Referendum
2 posted on 06/29/2006 10:22:11 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

"And House leaders said Cannon's win adds no momentum in the House to Bush's immigration policy. "The vast majority of our conference believes that strengthening our border, securing it and enforcing our laws are critical steps in the process of cleaning up the problem that we have," Boehner said."

Pence, Snow and Bush are dreaming if they think that Cannon winning was a referendum on compromise.

It was a single district, in a single state (a small one population wise at that) and has absolutely no place to function as a bellweather for the majority.






3 posted on 06/29/2006 10:23:48 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Dane
And House leaders said Cannon's win adds no momentum in the House to Bush's immigration policy.

I would call it a draw in the sense of the "big picture".

4 posted on 06/29/2006 10:24:08 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Stater's are Ameba's.)
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To: Dane
I don't want a "comprehensive bill"!!

I want Border Security and I want it now!

Secure the border, then address immigration and those illegals here already!

Just Say No To Amnesty!

5 posted on 06/29/2006 10:24:21 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Dane
Cannon defeated businessman John Jacob 56 percent to 44 percent on Tuesday after Jacob, an opponent of Bush's immigration plan, tried to make the race a referendum on the issue.

That's not a very convincing win by a 5 term incumbent in his own party's primary.

6 posted on 06/29/2006 10:24:23 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Paleo Conservative
That's not a very convincing win by a 5 term incumbent in his own party's primary.

Well said.

7 posted on 06/29/2006 10:25:16 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Stater's are Ameba's.)
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To: Dane

Gee, it wasn't as if there was more than one issue at stake here. It was all illegals right? Nothing to do with Jacob's stupid satan statement or the "hiring illegals" meme that Cannon pushed. Bilbray told the tale on illegals in CA, we will see what happens in Nov to illegal supporters.


8 posted on 06/29/2006 10:25:54 AM PDT by calex59 (The '86 amnesty put us in the toilet, now the senate wants to flush it!)
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To: Dane

The point is not Bilbray or Cannon. The point is that immigration is finally showing up on the threat radars of Joe & Jane Suburbanites.

CIRA is DOA

Spence's "privatized amnesty" is non-starter.

The anti-immigration pendulum has only begun to swing. In another decade, you'll be able to count the number of immigrants - legal or illegal - on the fingers of your two hands.


9 posted on 06/29/2006 10:27:42 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: Paleo Conservative
That's not a very convincing win by a 5 term incumbent in his own party's primary

Yes it is Mr/Ms. PC, especially when the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC put $50,000 into trying to defeat Cannon and the massive local and national press the primary race got.

Oh BTW, turnout was very low, the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC held a referendum on immigration in one of the most conservative districts in the US and nobody came.

10 posted on 06/29/2006 10:28:48 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: calex59
Gee, it wasn't as if there was more than one issue at stake here. It was all illegals right? Nothing to do with Jacob's stupid satan statement or the "hiring illegals" meme that Cannon pushed. Bilbray told the tale on illegals in CA, we will see what happens in Nov to illegal supporters

Huh but those working in the tancredo/bay buchanan basement were saying on FR, that that wouldn't matter, I can pull up the posts, if you wish to see him.

But the spin goes on, the spin goes on.

11 posted on 06/29/2006 10:30:56 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Hey Bushbot, you stink so bad it's eminating from my computer.


12 posted on 06/29/2006 10:33:14 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: TexasCajun
The southern border should be somewhat closed (but still having trade and tourists (documented)). Would electric fencing be feasible, if it went below ground and had signs in English and Spanish (some people who would have aliens killed simply because they are coming into the country unlawfully are disgusting).

Answers in Genesis .

13 posted on 06/29/2006 10:33:26 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Also those who are opposed to alien and large-scale immigration on racial grounds are disgusting.

Answers in Genesis .

14 posted on 06/29/2006 10:35:05 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: dalereed
Hey Bushbot, you stink so bad it's eminating from my computer.

Did you ever ponder that it could be the three day old underwear you are wearing.

15 posted on 06/29/2006 10:35:19 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane; Utah Girl
>Yes it is Mr/Ms. PC, especially when the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC put $50,000 into trying to defeat Cannon and the massive local and national press the primary race got.

A normal multi-term incumbent should easily get 90%+ in a primary. That loose Cannon only got 56% indicates he's not particularly strong. I wonder how much Cannon spent to counteract that $50,000?

16 posted on 06/29/2006 10:36:24 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Opposition to alien and large-scale immigration on economic and cultural grounds (and criminality grounds for aliens) is proper, though.

Answers in Genesis .

17 posted on 06/29/2006 10:37:13 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( http://www.answersingenesis.org)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Ask the 15 or so families who had loved ones tortured and murdered by Angel Resendiz how they feel about it.


18 posted on 06/29/2006 10:39:06 AM PDT by american spirit
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To: Dane

Hi Dane. For the nineteenth day in a row I'm going to ask your opinion on the Mike Pence compromise. Would you support it or are3 you sticking with the Senate?


19 posted on 06/29/2006 10:43:52 AM PDT by jmc813 (The best mathematical equation I have ever seen: 1 cross + 3 nails= 4 given.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
A normal multi-term incumbent should easily get 90%+ in a primary. That loose Cannon only got 56% indicates he's not particularly strong. I wonder how much Cannon spent to counteract that $50,000?

Really? Huh the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC spent all that money, plus Jacob who spent a lot more money than Cannon's primary opponent in 2004 and they still lost, even with all the massive local and national publicity.

If the immigration issue had any legs, the turnout would have been higher and the margin a lot closer.

20 posted on 06/29/2006 10:45:15 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: american spirit
Ask the 15 or so families who had loved ones tortured and murdered by Angel Resendiz how they feel about it

BTW, why are you silent about the opinions of the families of the victims of ted bundy and jeffrey dahmer.

Oops, I forgot their surnames are not Spanish, nevermind.

21 posted on 06/29/2006 10:47:56 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

So that's your trigger is it Dane? This is a big race thing for you.

Makes one wonder if you or your husband aren't hispanic and have some sort of vested personal interest in the immigration debate.

You see for the vast majority of us this is about following the rule of law, forcing others to respect our borders, protecting wages and our economy, and not allowing illegals who are willing to live stacked on top of one another in crowded homes or apartments to degrade our standard of living to third world levels.

But for you this is all about race.

I think you have a personal interest in this debate Dane and interest that doesn't neccessarily coincide with what's best for this country but what's best for you.

Your anger and frustration with respect to this topic makes all the more sense now.

You don't care about what's best for the nation, this is about what's best for you.


22 posted on 06/29/2006 11:03:22 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bikers4Bush
So that's your trigger is it Dane? This is a big race thing for you.

Huh, it sures seems it is for you.

23 posted on 06/29/2006 11:06:33 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
On the contrary Dane, you are the one who always rushes to make it a race issue.

It's never been a race issue for me or for the vast majority of the rest that oppose illegal immigration. I want illegals gone regardless of where they're from but for you it's all about the Spanish surnames.

This has been very enlightening. Thanks.
24 posted on 06/29/2006 11:09:13 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


25 posted on 06/29/2006 11:12:12 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Bikers4Bush; american spirit
On the contrary Dane, you are the one who always rushes to make it a race issue

Please look at reply #18, by American Spirit.

Ask the 15 or so families who had loved ones tortured and murdered by Angel Resendiz how they feel about it

All I did was ask was where was American Spirit's concern for the families of victims of ted bundy and jeffrey dahmer.

IMO, it seems American Spirit did not have concern for them and decided to make an evil killer's ethnic surname the basis of evil, instead of the evil itself.

Typical tancredo/bay buchanan tactic, IMO.

26 posted on 06/29/2006 11:14:30 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Paleo Conservative
It is my understanding that Cannon had a war chest 1.5 to 2 times what Jacob had. Since Cannon had considerably more money and was a five term incumbent, it is surprising that the race was as close as it was.
27 posted on 06/29/2006 11:19:50 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: Dane

We know how you feel about Tancredo, despite his excellent voting record, in my opinion, as rated by ACU and other organizations. Are there any Democrats in Congress whose voting records you consider worse than Tom's? If so, name a few. If there are none, no reply needed.


28 posted on 06/29/2006 11:20:51 AM PDT by Re-electNobody
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To: Dane
This was your motivation to wanting Cannon to win all along wasn't it Dane, not his 97% ACU rating? No need to answer, we already knew.

Here's a news flash: Bilbray won opposing the Senate scheme so that makes it even doesn't it? That is unless you don't count the recent pro-border wins in Nebraska and Virginia, then we're ahead.

29 posted on 06/29/2006 11:20:57 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Bikers4Bush; american spirit; Paleo Conservative

Please don't use rational arguments with Dane. It just confuses him/her.


30 posted on 06/29/2006 11:21:25 AM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Dane

This is not the first time you have played the race card Dane, nor do I think it will be the last.

This is, however, the first time that the dots finally connected for me.

Your vitriolic responses and your vehement opposition to any plan that doesn't allow illegals to stay in some way shape or form finally makes sense.

This is personal for you. Not morally personal or financially personal as it is for some. No, you will be emotionally harmed if they are not allowed to stay.

Someone close to you is at risk of being sent back and based on your specific fixation on Spanish surnames (it's always about Mexico or South America for you, never about asians or indians) I would have to assume they are hispanic.


31 posted on 06/29/2006 11:25:24 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Bikers4Bush

Our country is being overrun by a culture of losers, and it doesn't take much imagination to guess who the cheerleaders are.


32 posted on 06/29/2006 11:28:06 AM PDT by WayneM ( Sneaking in is NOT immigration.......(`'..').......Cut the KRAP (Karl Rove Amnesty Plan).)
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To: Re-electNobody
We know how you feel about Tancredo, despite his excellent voting record, in my opinion, as rated by ACU and other organizations. Are there any Democrats in Congress whose voting records you consider worse than Tom's? If so, name a few. If there are none, no reply needed

Actually there is a reply needed, IMO.

Why didn't the tancredo/bay buchanan PAC go after 2nd UT district democrat Congressman, Jim Matheson, who would vote for nancy pelosi for Speaker.

Face it, tancredo is a backstabber and his backstabbing power grabbing tactics have been exposed for all to see and a big plus, he lost bigtime.

33 posted on 06/29/2006 11:29:23 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: WayneM
Our country is being overrun by a culture of losers, and it doesn't take much imagination to guess who the cheerleaders are.

Yep such as cheerleaders for tancredo/bay buchanan as yourself.

34 posted on 06/29/2006 11:31:06 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

You can't think of any Dems you consider to have worse voting records than Tom Tancredo? If so name a few.


35 posted on 06/29/2006 11:34:42 AM PDT by Re-electNobody
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To: Dane
Yep such as cheerleaders for tancredo/bay buchanan as yourself.

Dane the race is over and Cannon won. You have now moved back to the agenda that motivated you to support him in the first place and it had nothing to do with Tancredo or Bay Buchanan but what is in this story, the call to "compromise" with the Senate. You knew that would be the result but it's failed. The most telling quote from it is this:

And House leaders said Cannon's win adds no momentum in the House to Bush's immigration policy. "The vast majority of our conference believes that strengthening our border, securing it and enforcing our laws are critical steps in the process of cleaning up the problem that we have," Boehner said.

Hearing that must make you very sad.

36 posted on 06/29/2006 11:36:48 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Paleo Conservative

Cannon:
All contributions: $815,687
Individual contributors: $219,109
Political action committees: $458,614
Loans to himself: $137,962

Jacob:
All contributions: $383,860
Individual contributors: $27,860
Political action committees: $3,000
Loans to himself: $353,000


37 posted on 06/29/2006 11:37:13 AM PDT by CONSERVE
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To: Dane

Boy, all these FRingers that were just proven wrong for the 20th consecutive election are pissed.


38 posted on 06/29/2006 11:39:13 AM PDT by PRND21
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Dane the race is over and Cannon won. You have now moved back to the agenda that motivated you to support him in the first place and it had nothing to do with Tancredo or Bay Buchanan but what is in this story, the call to "compromise" with the Senate. You knew that would be the result but it's failed. The most telling quote from it is this

JMO, that quote from Boehner was a bone to you guys. Heck even the Fox News panel on Brit's show said that tancredo is now basically isolated,to bad he could have been somebody if he hadn't listened to joe farah and World Nut Daily and bay buchanan.

This primary sent shock waves through the Republican House caucus, and IMO Mike Pence's plan is going to have a serious hearing, which will bust a vein in tom tancredo's head, since his "issue"(and meal ticket) is gone.

39 posted on 06/29/2006 11:43:13 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: CONSERVE
Hey! no fair! you posted actual numbers instead of vage assertions.

Link your sources and they'll really hate you.

40 posted on 06/29/2006 11:43:19 AM PDT by MrEdd (Bad spellers of the world - UNTIE!,)
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To: Dane
Now you're just being an ass.

Most of us have moved on now and have accepted the fact that Cannon will be re-elected. I don't know what you're gloating about. The seat remains in GOP hands, Cannon is just one of 435 Congressmen, who even if he casts a vote supporting the Senate's AMNESTY plan he'll be in the minority anyway. And the 2008 elections are already on the horizon.

Grow up Dane and quit acting like a lib.

41 posted on 06/29/2006 11:43:22 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (What you know about that?)
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To: Bikers4Bush
Well stated. We have enough criminals (the likes of Bundy, etc.) of our own without enticing more of the to come to this country. And illegal aliens are all criminals who snub their noses at our laws, with multitudes of them committing horrific crimes.

Sad that so many, including posters here, were so indifferent to our future or hated this country so much that they were eagerly willing to sell it out to the invaders.

Of course, racism has nothing to do with not wanting criminals to overrun this country. I have for years spoken out against the blond and blue-eyed superviolent Russian Mafia. Mexicans are often pointed out only because there are so many of them, they have made the most outrageous demands for special perks not available to others, and they led disgusting demonstrations, dissing our flag and shouting obscenities.

42 posted on 06/29/2006 11:48:48 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Now you're just being an ass.

Most of us have moved on now and have accepted the fact that Cannon will be re-elected. I don't know what you're gloating about. The seat remains in GOP hands, Cannon is just one of 435 Congressmen, who even if he casts a vote supporting the Senate's AMNESTY plan he'll be in the minority anyway. And the 2008 elections are already on the horizon

Okay let me see if I have this straight. If Cannon wins and there is some gloating, bad, very bad, almost satan like bad.

But if Jacob had won, you(lou dobbs, wiener(savage), hannity, etc.etc) would be gloating , which is good, since your candidate Jacob overcame the satan like President Bush forces(i.e recorded phone calls) to win.

What do you all smoke in the basement of tancredo/bay buchanan headquarters?

43 posted on 06/29/2006 11:49:07 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
JMO, that quote from Boehner was a bone to you guys.

It's just my opinion but you're not going to see a bill anytime soon. Utah isn't impacted as bad as California or Texas or even New England is yet so Cannon was able to pull it off. The congressional caucus from those other states however are still not going to go along with any amnesties.

44 posted on 06/29/2006 11:49:53 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Most of us have moved on now and have accepted the fact that Cannon will be re-elected. I don't know what you're gloating about.

Internationalists like Dane & PRND21 know deep down that the long-term trend is against them. That is why they so shrilly hype good news for their One-World-View -- because they know it's getting scarcer and scarcer by the day.

45 posted on 06/29/2006 11:50:21 AM PDT by AppleButter
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To: Dane

Dane, will you admit that as much as you despise Tancredo, his voting record is far superior to Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters, and a host of like-minded Dems?


46 posted on 06/29/2006 11:54:54 AM PDT by Re-electNobody
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
It's just my opinion but you're not going to see a bill anytime soon. Utah isn't impacted as bad as California or Texas or even New England is yet so Cannon was able to pull it off. The congressional caucus from those other states however are still not going to go along with any amnesties

Oh you mean tancredo's original plan, which Mike Pence endorsed.

This is so funny, you all give Linda Blairs acting in the movie "The Exorcist" a run for the money, the way your heads are spinning.

47 posted on 06/29/2006 11:57:26 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Re-electNobody
Dane, will you admit that as much as you despise Tancredo, his voting record is far superior to Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters, and a host of like-minded Dems?

And then I ask you this question, wasn't it putrid that tom tancredo and his medusa bay buchanan, went after another 100% ACU conservative, Chris Cannon.

JMO, I will probably hear crickets from my post from you, but what the hey most hypocrites are silent when presented with the truth, such as the pharisees.

48 posted on 06/29/2006 12:01:02 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Dane, will you admit that as much as you despise Tancredo, his voting record is far superior to Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Cynthia McKinney, Maxine Waters, and a host of like-minded Dems?

Dane:

And then I ask you this question, wasn't it putrid that tom tancredo and his medusa bay buchanan, went after another 100% ACU conservative, Chris Cannon.

Do you always answer questions with one of your own? Just a simple yes or no would suffice.

49 posted on 06/29/2006 12:15:15 PM PDT by beltfed308 (Nanny Stater's are Ameba's.)
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To: soccer8; Bikers4Bush; american spirit; Dane
Please don't use rational arguments with Dane. It just confuses him/her.

It?

50 posted on 06/29/2006 12:15:38 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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