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TxDOT officials slap a muzzle on toll road talk at public meet
San Antonio Express-News ^ | June 23, 2006 | Patrick Driscoll

Posted on 06/29/2006 8:08:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

State officials say tolls are important to fund new highway lanes, but when it comes to non-toll projects, they apparently don't want to hear about it.

In fact, they banned mention of the word at a public meeting this week.

At the meeting, held Tuesday to get input on plans to widen Texas 46, Terri Hall of San Antonio Toll Party was told to wrap up her comments because her three minutes were running out, said Laura Lopez, spokeswoman with the Texas Department of Transportation.

But then Hall began talking about tolls, so she was stopped.

"It was mentioned at the beginning of the meeting that this was not a meeting to discuss tolls because it's not part of the project," Lopez said. "And if there was any comments about us tolling, we would stop that person from ... you know ... we're not tolling."

Another speaker who brought up tolls was asked to drop the subject, but when he replied that TxDOT works for him, law enforcement officers approached to cut him off, Lopez said.

"Where will this suppression stop?" said Hall, a vocal critic of tolls. "I thought this was America, where protecting and defending our First Amendment constitutional rights are sacred."

About 200 people attended the meeting at New Braunfels High School and about 20 spoke.

The crux of the friction between Hall and TxDOT over Texas 46 has to do with whether the state is eying tolls for the highway.

Fueled by a study to determine the feasibility of tolling new lanes on Texas 46, and a financing agreement that says county officials and TxDOT would have to agree to any future tolls, Hall says she suspects that TxDOT intends to eventually put toll lanes there.

TxDOT flatly says there are no plans to toll Texas 46, and that the study showed tolls are not feasible.

The $47.7 million project will widen the highway to seven lanes near Bulverde and New Braunfels and three lanes between the cities, with construction possibly starting in 2008. Later, the whole road could be seven lanes.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: censorship; consitution; firstamendment; freedomofspeech; govwatch; publicmeeting; sh46; texas; texas46; tollroads; tolls; transportation; tx; txdot

1 posted on 06/29/2006 8:08:42 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; anymouse; AprilfromTexas; B-Chan; ...

Pinging the TTC list to the TxDOT dirty tricks.


2 posted on 06/29/2006 8:09:53 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Oklahoma has been dealing with "Temporary Toll Roads" for over 40 years now. These "temporary toll roads" show no signs of every being non-toll. It's all a lie to tax us some more. At the pump, in my wallet, and when I get on the highway. Pretty soon they'll have a toll leading into the cemetery.
3 posted on 06/29/2006 8:24:50 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Pinging the TTC list to the TxDOT dirty tricks.

There aren't any dirty tricks, don't be such a drama queen.

Not sure what is so hard to understand, the meeting was about TX46, which TXDOT has repeatedly said is not a toll road. There are plenty of other meetings this summer in the San Antonio area for several other roads that actually are being considered for tolling where she can rant and rave at. After making clear that this specific road, the only subject of the meeting, wasn't going to be tolled, it was off topic for this meeting's limited time for public comment. She could still whine and rant in the informal session, but not in the public comment time if she were going off subject.

If you go into a public meeting about water rates they aren't going to let you rant in the public speaking time about the Planned Parenthood clinic.

4 posted on 06/29/2006 8:48:41 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: phoenix0468
It's all a lie to tax us some more.

Well, that's just not true.

There's been a lot of press lately about possibly suspending the gasoline tax due to high gas prices. But if one looks at this issue objectively instead of emotionally, it quickly becomes obvious that the gasoline taxes will not even maintain our highway network for many more years. There continue to be more vehicles on the road creating more wear and tear, and these vehicles continue to get improved mileage, which means more wear and tear with a continuously reducing gasoline tax base.

And, if we quit providing routine maintenance, the roadway infrastructure deterioration will accelerate with the result that repair costs will be much more than the routine maintenance. This will result in increasing costs much more than they are today. And how do we provide the increased capacity needed? People fuss about tolls, but consider this example: In Texas, many toll roads have free parallel frontage roads. Anyone who doesn't want to pay the tolls, can use these free roads and get to the same destination. Why don't they? The simple answer is that when one factors in the increased time due to the signalization at cross streets and the increased wear and tear on their automobiles all have a net total cost far greater than the cost of the tolls on the limited access toll roads. That's why toll roads work. Without that source of funds, the air pollution, the gridlock, the excessively longer commute time, the much increased real estate costs that would result for those properties close in, all would be far greater than if those of us willing to pay the tolls can have the facilities to allow us to avoid those costs. Those who don't want to pay them can use a different facility or walk to their destination.

5 posted on 06/29/2006 8:51:08 PM PDT by Real Cynic No More (A member of the Appalachian-American minority -- and proud of it!)
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To: Real Cynic No More

I'm all for useage fees, but let's not double dip. It's either usage fees or tax. I prefer usage fees.


6 posted on 06/29/2006 8:54:29 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: phoenix0468
Pretty soon they'll have a toll leading into the cemetery.

They do, it's called an estate tax.

7 posted on 06/29/2006 9:42:10 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (If Christians can go nuclear in a biblical way, would the Israelis go nuclear in a talmudic way?)
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To: phoenix0468

What about roads in which part of the cost is funded through taxes, and the rest through tolls (as opposed to roads built with taxes and then tolled anyhow)?


8 posted on 06/29/2006 9:59:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Real Cynic No More
continue to be more vehicles on the road creating more wear and tear, and these vehicles continue to get improved mileage, which means more wear and tear with a continuously reducing gasoline tax base.

Bovine excrement. A large number of those new vehicles in Texas are SUVs and Pickups that don't get stellar gas mileage. Also, vehicles don't cause near the wear of weather (potholes are caused by ice and soil conditions, not vehicles).

The lack of funds for highways is caused by politicians, not drivers. Nearly every level of government is experiencing massive increases in revenue, from school districts to the fed, and every one is begging for more.

In a lot of cases taxing authorities are getting 50 to 100 percent more revenue than they were a few years ago, far more than we peasants paying the taxes are seeing our salaries go up, and yet they still can't balance their budgets.

The truth is that our political leaders have lost touch with any notion of serving the people, and now function solely as pigs at the public trough, gobbling up all they can with absolutely no regard for consequences.

9 posted on 06/29/2006 10:03:54 PM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Real Cynic No More
And, if we quit providing routine maintenance, the roadway infrastructure deterioration will accelerate with the result that repair costs will be much more than the routine maintenance.

That is how our unresponsive elites we've elected to office got us in the situation we are in now, they have purposely avoided maintenance and repair. Ever heard of 'sustainable development'? That is their reason for not maintaining the roads. They have a federal directive to implement 'sustainable development' and it came from the first President Bush at that.

The way our corrupt government officials answer the problem that THEY have created following 'sustainable development' policies ALWAYS is, sell the public property off to private investors. We are told we Americans are too poor to maintain it (although out of the other side of their mouth they say we have the best economy ever) is the tried and true dirty trick to get the public to agree to sell their extremely valuable public resources for FAR less than they are worth so they can be taxed to use them by 'private interests'. Its the globalist game, doncha know, and they are doing it in every country in the world. And it is theft of public property on a grander scale than you can imagine.
10 posted on 06/29/2006 10:28:05 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hopespringseternal; Real Cynic No More
The truth is that our political leaders have lost touch with any notion of serving the people, and now function solely as pigs at the public trough, gobbling up all they can with absolutely no regard for consequences.

Nailed it!
11 posted on 06/29/2006 10:29:22 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


12 posted on 06/29/2006 10:34:19 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl

You're welcome.


13 posted on 06/30/2006 12:18:25 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

lol!

After reading the title, I thought they were cracking down on friendly toll booth employees.


14 posted on 06/30/2006 12:20:52 AM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Whatever happened to Cynthia McKinney?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Could you add this San Antonio guy to your TTC ping list, my FRiend??

Thanks...


15 posted on 06/30/2006 12:43:48 AM PDT by ElephantinTexas (But IF the Islamofascists win their war, they have no PLAN. Kinda like the DemokRATS.)
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To: ElephantinTexas

You're added. :-)


16 posted on 06/30/2006 12:56:41 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

You should see the crap they pull up here in Washington.


17 posted on 06/30/2006 1:12:36 AM PDT by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


18 posted on 06/30/2006 3:05:40 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"It was mentioned at the beginning of the meeting that this was not a meeting to discuss tolls because it's not part of the project," Lopez said. "And if there was any comments about us tolling, we would stop that person from ... you know ... we're not tolling."



Seems like the guidelines were set and the complainers chose to ignore them....


19 posted on 06/30/2006 6:32:35 AM PDT by deport
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To: deport; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; Nowhere Man; hopespringseternal; Real Cynic No More
As Robert Locke states in his article: "Corporatism blends socialism and capitalism not by giving each control of different parts of the economy, but by combining socialism's promise of a government-guaranteed flow of material goods with capitalism's private ownership and management."
--Diane Alden

Toll highways and the NAFTA corridor work hand in glove to promote a political system that is the enemy of freedom.
20 posted on 06/30/2006 6:58:02 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: hopespringseternal
The truth is that our political leaders have lost touch with any notion of serving the people, and now function solely as pigs at the public trough, gobbling up all they can with absolutely no regard for consequences.

How True!
21 posted on 06/30/2006 7:10:43 AM PDT by TexanByBirth (Tired of high gas prices, then kick an environmentalist!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Fellow Freepers,

I get these TTC updates regularly from Linda Curtis at Independent Texas. I recommend joining Independent Texas by visiting their website: http://www.indytexans.org



Dear Independent Texans:


Below are 7 separate redrafted flyers (based on your comments) you can send to your friends in the North Texas, DFW, Waco, Temple, Austin, San Antonio and S. Texas areas to urge attendance at any of the 54 Trans-Texas Corridor hearings from July 10-Aug. 10. Also, if you haven't already, please pick a hearing to go to and reply to this message to let us know which one(s) you will attend.


I'm also looking to recruit an organizing team for the hearings in S. Texas communities. If you know folks in those communities (see the last flier below) that you think might join our team, or assist us, please reply and let us know.


Please also mark your calendars for a very important statewide conference call next Thursday, July 6th, at 8 p.m. If you plan to join us, reply to this note and let me know. I'll be sending out details early next week.


Thanks to all of you who have, so far, voted on our endorsement. If you haven't yet, and want to, please include that in your reply.


Independently yours,


Linda Curtis, founder
Independent Texans
http://indytexans.org
PO Box 14294
Austin, TX 78761
512-535-0989






This one is for the North & NE of DFW Area:


“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a federally mandated hearing in your area*:


July 10 Gainesville Gainesville Civic Center 311 S. Weaver St.
July 10 Sherman Sherman Municipal Ballroom 405 N. Rusk St.
July 11 Bonham Bonham High School Cafeteria 1002 Warpath Dr.
July 11 Decatur Decatur Civic Center 2010 W. US 380
July 11 Denton Univ. of North Texas, Gateway Ballroom 801 N. Texas Blvd.
July 12 Paris Love Civic Center 2025 S. Collegiate Dr.
July 13 McKinney McKinney High School Cafeteria 1400 Wilson Creek Pkwy.
July 17 Greenville Fletcher Warren Civic Center 5501 S. Bus. Hwy. 6


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer




This one is for the DFW area:


“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a hearing in your area*:


July 10 Ennis Knights of Columbus Hall 850 S. Interstate 45
July 12 Cleburne Cleburne Civic Center 1501 W.Henderson St.
July 12 Waxahachie Waxahachie Civic Center Ballroom 2000 Civic Center Ln.
July 13 Weatherford Weatherford College, Fine Arts Center 225 College Park Dr.
July 17 Fort Worth Will Rogers Mem. Ctr, Round Up Inn 3400 Burnett-Tandy Dr.
July 18 Granbury GISD Pearl Street Conference Center 205 E.Pearl St.
July 18 Mesquite Poteet High School Auditorium 3300 Poteet Dr.
July 19 Terrell Terrell ISD Performing Arts Center 400 Poetry Rd.
July 27 Dallas Grauwyler Community Center 7780 Harry Hines Blvd.


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer




This one is for the Waco Area:


“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a federally mandated hearing in your area*:


July 13 Hillsboro Hill College Performing Arts Center Auditorium 112 Lamar Dr.
July 17 McGregor McGregor High School Auditorium 903 Bluebonnet Pkwy.
July 19 Clifton Clifton High School Cafeteria 1101 N. Avenue Q,
July 20 Corsicana Drane Intermediate School Auditorium 100 S. 18th St.
July 20 Groesbeck Groesbeck High School Auditorium 1202 N. Ellis St.
July 24 Waco Waco Convention Cntr, Brazos Room 100 Washington Ave.


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer




This one for the Temple Area:


“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a hearing in your area*:


July 19 Hearne Hearne Junior High School Aud. 401 Wheelock St.
July 20 Caldwell Caldwell High School Auditorium 550 County Road 307
July 24 Georgetown Georgetown High School Ctr for the Performing Arts 2211 N. Austin Ave.,
July 25 Marlin Marlin High School Auditorium 1400 Capps
July 25 Taylor Taylor High School Auditorium 3101 N. Main St.
July 26 Giddings Sons of Hermann Hall 1031 County Road 223
July 26 Temple Frank W. Mayborn Civic & Convention Ctr, Main Hall 3303 N. 3rd St.
July 27 Rockdale Knights of Columbus Hall 655 Highway


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer






This one is for the Austin Area:




“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a hearing in your area*:


July 31 Flatonia Flatonia ISD Cafeteria 400 E. 4th St.
July 31 Lockhart Lockhart High School Cafeteria #1 Lion Country Dr.
August 1 Manor Manor High School Cafeteria 12700 Gregg Manor Rd.
August 2 Bastrop Bastrop Middle School Cafeteria 709 Old Austin Hwy.
August 3 Smithville Smithville High School Cafeteria 285 Highway 95


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer






This one is for the San Antonio Area:


“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a hearing in your area*:


August 3 Floresville Floresville High School Gymnasium 1832 Highway 97 East
August 8 San Antonio East Central High School Cafeteria 7173 FM 1628
August 9 Seguin Seguin-Guadalupe County Coliseum 810 S. Guadalupe St.
August 7 Pearsall Pearsall High School Cafeteria 1990 Maverick Dr.
August 10 Yorktown Yorktown Community Mess Hall 60 Community Hall Rd.


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer




This one for S. Texas Area:


“The Trans-Texas Corridor is likely to become the most expensive and far-ranging transportation undertaking in the state's history” - Ft. Worth Star Telegram, June 4, 2006


According to the San Antonio Express-News, "Rick Perry's biggest problem is the Trans-Texas Corridor". Here are the facts he does not want you to know. The Trans Texas Corridor plan is:


o 8,000 miles of crisscrossing 1/4 mile wide all-in-one toll roads with water, gas, oil, rail and utility lines.
o a $187 billion boondoggle guaranteed by federal transportation dollars (our taxes).
o the largest land grab in Texas history -- over 1 million acres -- much in the richest farmland called the blacklands.
o extremely likely to further DFW's air pollution and push it in to rural areas.
o not a plan to alleviate traffic congestion.
o a violation of democracy -- the deal was cinched before any public hearings and city & county governments were cut out.
o being developed via a still secret contract with a foreign company (CINTRA), signed by Gov. Perry in March '05.
o now forcing federally mandated 54 public hearings, from July 10-Aug 10, but cannot overturn the Corridor plan.
o uniting Republicans, Democrats and independents to dump Rick Perry!


Three ways to get Rick Perry on down the road -- and stop the Corridor!:


1. Attend a hearing in your area:


August 1 Kingsville King Ranch Museum 405 N. 6th St.
August 7 Falfurrias Sacred Heart Parish Hall 201 W. Blucher
August 7 Laredo TAMIU Events Ctr. West. Hemis. Trade Ctr, Rm. 111 5201 University Blvd.
August 8 Alice Knights of Columbus Hall 1050 Cecilia St.
August 8 McAllen McAllen Convention Center 1300 S. 10th St.
August 9 George West George West High School Cafeteria 913 Houston St.
August 9 Harlingen Casa de Amistad 1204 Fair Park Blvd.
August 10 Brownsville City of Brownsville Events Center 1 Event Ctr. Blvd.


*For a full list of hearings go to CorridorWatch.org.


2. Spread the word -- “One Tough Grandma” Carole Keeton Strayhorn, independent candidate for Governor -- is fighting to open up the CINTRA contract to the public, pledged publicly that she will not sign a contract with CINTRA, and to call for a vote of the people! http://carolestrayhorn.com.


3. Declare your own political independence! Independent Texans is seeking recognition for the 35%, and growing, plurality of people who do not identify with a political party -- we vote for the person, not the party. Join us, it’s free. And, please forward this to everyone you know!


INDEPENDENT TEXANS
Declare Your Independence!
indytexans.org
PO Box 14294 ** Austin, TX 78761 ** 512-535-0989
Paid for by Independent Texans, Gerardo Cardenas, Treasurer




22 posted on 06/30/2006 8:07:14 AM PDT by MarshallDillon ( www.voterescue.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
From what I've heard, a 2 cent rise in the gas tax would bring as much money as the tolls. Doesn't sound like much money but, I haven't done the math. Anyone one else heard that?
23 posted on 06/30/2006 10:57:04 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: wolfcreek

From what I've heard, a 2 cent rise in the gas tax would bring as much money as the tolls.



Don't know for sure. But Texas has a state tax rate of 20 cents a gallon so a 2 cent increase would be 10%. In 05 the income from motor fuel tax was almost 3 billion so a 10% increase would be some 300 million more. I'm not sure that would fund the type roads that are being comptemplated or at least not in the same time frame. Texas has some 75,000+ plus miles of roadways to maintain in addition to the other expenses incurred by the DOT. Under this proposed plan the investments are made by private companies rather than the state and tax payers.


24 posted on 06/30/2006 1:56:01 PM PDT by deport
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

"Another speaker who brought up tolls was asked to drop the subject, but when he replied that TxDOT works for him, law enforcement officers approached to cut him off, Lopez said."

Tyranny!


25 posted on 06/30/2006 2:05:06 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I don't think any road is ever funded through taxes per se. They are almost always funded by bonds which are reapayed through either tax revenue or toll revenue. The funding won't change, just the repayment method. Account for the cost of all roads and devide by the number of registered vehicles. Heck you could even create a fairly simple formula that charges a larger fee for commercial vehicles like semi-tractor trailers that do more damage to the road than a car does.


26 posted on 06/30/2006 4:18:34 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: Centurion2000

27 posted on 06/30/2006 4:21:30 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: E.G.C.

bump.


28 posted on 07/01/2006 6:44:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: MarshallDillon

Where'd she get the idea this thing was 8,000 miles long? All I've heard so far is that a built-out TTC system (all routes) would be roughly 4,000 miles long total and take up something like 560,000 acres. Does she know something the rest of the planet doesn't?


29 posted on 07/01/2006 6:49:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: deport

5 cents of that 20 cents per gallon is constitutionally mandated to be spent on education. Out of the remaining 15 cents, some amount of it is used for things other than state roads.


30 posted on 07/01/2006 6:50:58 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://www.corridorwatch.com is a great resource. The original maps showed growth to 8000 miles. I don't remember where I saw it exactly.


31 posted on 07/03/2006 11:27:59 PM PDT by MarshallDillon (www.indytexans.org)
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