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Don't let the prices fool you: Wal-Mart is no bargain for N.J
Star Ledger ^ | 06.16.06 | Tom Moran

Posted on 06/29/2006 10:15:13 PM PDT by Coleus

The line outside the new Wal- Mart in Kearny began form ing long before the 8 a.m. grand opening on Wednesday.

This corporate behemoth is opening stores everywhere on earth these days, including this 43rd outlet in New Jersey, built on the foundation of a vacant trucking terminal a mile or so from the New Jersey Turnpike.

You may have heard that Wal- Mart treats its employees as disposable parts, paying low wages, offering lousy benefits and crushing any effort to form a union. That's all true, which explains why almost half their employees quit every year.

But on Wednesday in Kearny, company executives did all they could to show the other side. They gave a giant cardboard check to a hospital charity. They invited leaders from the Hudson County Urban League to praise the company's efforts to recruit minorities. Middle-aged employees in matching blue vests cheered Wal- Mart's letters in unison, like high- school kids at a pep rally.

The emotional peak came when Wal-Mart vice-chairman John Menzer stepped onto a wooden po dium and told his new employees they were like family to him. "At Wal-Mart, we're all about our core beliefs, and respect for the individual," he said. Love it or hate it, Wal-Mart's formula works. Its low prices have made it the largest private employer in the world. It earns about $1 billion in profits each month.

The problem is the company is also a welfare freeloader.

It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all. And many of them land in state programs designed for the poor. It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: chinamart; walmart
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1 posted on 06/29/2006 10:15:17 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Gabz


2 posted on 06/29/2006 10:15:30 PM PDT by Coleus (I Support Research using the Ethical, Effective and Moral use of stem cells: non-embryonic "adult")
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To: Coleus
It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all. And many of them land in state programs designed for the poor. It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all.

Such a pity. People leaving high paying, benefit giving jobs to go work at Wal-Mart, which apparently is too stingy to give either. Ah, well, what can you do?

3 posted on 06/29/2006 10:18:35 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (My head hurts.)
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To: Coleus
It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all. And many of them land in state programs designed for the poor. It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all.

...oookay...so where would these people be WITHOUT Wal-Mart?

4 posted on 06/29/2006 10:19:19 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Coleus
Its low prices have made it the largest private employer in the world. It earns about $1 billion in profits each month.

Case closed.

5 posted on 06/29/2006 10:20:10 PM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Coleus

If Walmart is such a terrible place to work, then why don't they have trouble finding new associates to hire?


6 posted on 06/29/2006 10:22:29 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Coleus

S.O.S., different day.


7 posted on 06/29/2006 10:29:30 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Coleus

Sure. Their low prices are no bargain for anybody.


8 posted on 06/29/2006 10:29:50 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Liberalism's main product is Death.)
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To: AlaskaErik
"If Walmart is such a terrible place to work, then why don't they have trouble finding new associates to hire?"

Another way to look at this is if you don't want low wages educate yourself so you don't have to accept them.

Not a hard concept.

9 posted on 06/29/2006 10:30:11 PM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Walmart was the only business open for many weeks after Katrina. Walmart made it possible for people to return to their homes and begin the recovery.


10 posted on 06/29/2006 10:32:29 PM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: Coleus
It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all. And many of them land in state programs designed for the poor. It offers such paltry health benefits, at such a high cost, that most employees don't take any coverage at all.

Could you repeat that, please?

11 posted on 06/29/2006 10:36:42 PM PDT by scan58
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To: Coleus

No matter how much liberal booty gets smooched and liberal groups get funded by Wal-Mart as is now happening in the Jesse Jackson shake down tradition, they still get dumped on by the MSM.


12 posted on 06/29/2006 10:36:46 PM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: Coleus
As far as WalMart in NJ, I doubt they'll affect the state much, the original low end dept storres started in NJ, it's a ripe market since many of the originals are gone.

Btu this, this is as funny as the Olive Garden restaurant chain running the "When your here your family!" ad campaign in North Jersey. Yeah, family you can't bring to your regular Italian place.

The emotional peak came when Wal-Mart vice-chairman John Menzer stepped onto a wooden po dium and told his new employees they were like family to him.

13 posted on 06/29/2006 10:37:30 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: Coleus

Walmart bashing ping


14 posted on 06/29/2006 10:40:36 PM PDT by pillut48 (CJ in TX)
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To: Nextrush
No matter how much liberal booty gets smooched and liberal groups get funded by Wal-Mart as is now happening in the Jesse Jackson shake down tradition, they still get dumped on by the MSM.

Can you expand on that a little?

15 posted on 06/29/2006 10:42:01 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: VeniVidiVici

"Such a pity. People leaving high paying, benefit giving jobs to go work at Wal-Mart"

Uh, not by choice. Capitalism is the best economic system in the world, but it ain't perfect.


16 posted on 06/29/2006 10:45:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (If you got Sowell, you got Soul !)
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To: blackbart.223

I agree, but not every American is destined for college.


17 posted on 06/29/2006 10:47:40 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (If you got Sowell, you got Soul !)
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To: paulat

still sittin on their front stoop drinking 40's. ;o


18 posted on 06/29/2006 10:51:40 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: VeniVidiVici

My sister lives in a small town and works at Walmart...they don't have much, 3 kids and she can't afford to get the crap insurance they offer...Go ahead, make your jokes, but lots of families could use a break from the company that makes a billion a month...she works her butt off for 40 hours a week and doesn't get weekends off...I'd say that the company could spare a bit of the profits to help her kids, my nephews, get decent medical care, wouldn't you?


19 posted on 06/29/2006 11:01:29 PM PDT by phatus maximus (John 6:29...Learn it, love it, live it...)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
So, what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Working toward goals is what it is all about!

My dad died in WW-II when I was 14.

I WORKED after school, Saturdays and all summer(s); got to college on a full scholarship through the Navy; 2 Masters Degrees and an accelerated 0-6; ended up as a Bechtel Exec in my second career. Business ownership in my third. Hold-em player in my forth. *S* Money is easy; happiness we work at on a daily basis. *S*

I suggest that American kids might simply get off their collective asses -- and go to work!

Money is to be made, if that is their inclination.

Otherwise, indeed, there is WalMart. Opportunity abounds!
The choice is clear!

NO excuses whatsoever!
20 posted on 06/29/2006 11:14:14 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: Coleus
Tom Moran

The author is a total moran.

21 posted on 06/29/2006 11:21:33 PM PDT by Choose Ye This Day ("The man was an animal and he deserved what he got. May he rot in hell" -- Paul Bigley)
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To: JerseyHighlander

I think they just opend 1 or 2 new Olive Gardens on Rt. 17. They also opened up a Lowes and a few other box stores in the same area. Have you tried any of the Olive Gardens on Rt17? I know the one in midtown Manhattan is excellent.


22 posted on 06/29/2006 11:21:49 PM PDT by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: phatus maximus
Uh, maybe she can work somewhere that gives her better HC insurance? This is a business, not a government job.

Have you written to the state or fed's asking then to provide her and her kid's HC insurance with the billions they make.. TAX FREE.. every DAY? Money they take from us.

Think. Before complaining about a business making legitimate profits complain about the government that taxes them and their employees.
23 posted on 06/29/2006 11:33:36 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: phatus maximus
"I'd say that the company could spare a bit of the profits to help her kids, my nephews, get decent medical care, wouldn't you?"

Why should they? Where is it written that when a company hires someone they are responsible for the employee's health care as well as all their children and spouses?

At what point in history did we cross that line?

Years ago America's manufacturing base was something to behold. We literally won WWII because we could make weapons faster than anyone else.

Back in the 40s 50s and early 60s corporations hired folks to work and make things or sell things or design and repair things. Now a corporation must be responsible for health care and vacations and pensions and provide community services and expected to donate parks and other goodies to the community and even then they are ridiculed because they make too much money because and don' GIVE ENOUGH.

Gee I wonder why so many companies are leaving the USA?

24 posted on 06/29/2006 11:35:51 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: phatus maximus
What is happening to your sister is typical of what many US employers are doing. Many jobs offer minimal wages, few employee benefits and are not offering health insurance while corporation management pads their billfolds and stock portfolios and enables them to write off those gas guzzler's at taxpayer expense.

Walmart is silent about price increases on thousands of items to support advertised price rollbacks on hundreds of items. I'm thankful there are Walmart stores, as they do offer superb variety (except if you are looking for something specific). On the other hand most if not all items they sell can oftentimes be purchased elsewhere at lower prices.

25 posted on 06/29/2006 11:35:58 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: Coleus

Great article to read from today's FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1657697/posts?page=101,6


26 posted on 06/29/2006 11:39:54 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: Coleus
It earns about $1 billion in profits each month.

Is that net or gross?

27 posted on 06/29/2006 11:46:14 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: dk/coro

{" suggest that American kids might simply get off their collective asses -- and go to work!"

I agree. I too did most of what you did in my youth. But as an international financier who travels the world constantly, todays kids face a daunting task in deciding what to study, and where their future belongs. A degree in engineering is tantamount to financial suicide.


28 posted on 06/29/2006 11:47:18 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (If you got Sowell, you got Soul !)
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To: Republican Wildcat

adjusted net.


29 posted on 06/29/2006 11:47:47 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (If you got Sowell, you got Soul !)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Just checking. A lot of times the gross profit is used to artificially make it look like a company is rolling in more dough than it really is.


30 posted on 06/29/2006 11:52:10 PM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: phatus maximus
...she works her butt off for 40 hours a week and doesn't get weekends off..

With all due respect, she works only 40 hours a week? Well, it's clear vaulting ambition is not one of her sins.
And we're supposed to wring our hands over the fact that she has to work weekends?

With three kids, has she ever figured out how much she really makes at work as opposed to being "just a" stay at home mom? What with that day-care/baby sitter(s) for her kids, a second car + all the expenses that go with it (loan payments, insurance, gas, maintenance; or bus fare; or her share of the car pool), not to mention taxes taken from her wages, plus all the times the family eats out, eats carry-out, buys from the QuickyMart, etc. etc. b/c she is too tired, to stressed out, to hurried to cook...I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it turns out she clears little to nothing per hour, or that,perhaps, it even costs her to work,i.e. makes $5.15 an hour - $5.90 an hour in expenses = ((-$.75)) per hour.

31 posted on 06/29/2006 11:54:43 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Coleus

What a joke this clown is. Wal Mart workers are the least of New Jerseys tax problems.


32 posted on 06/30/2006 12:01:12 AM PDT by John Lenin
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To: phatus maximus

Wal-Mart is about to go to school when it comes to doing business in urban areas. Trust me, in a year or so you'll feel sorry for the company.


33 posted on 06/30/2006 12:12:30 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Coleus

and they wonder why there was five drive by shootings last weekend in newark?


34 posted on 06/30/2006 12:13:09 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: yankeedame
Believe me...I think kids should have a stay-at-home mom...

But the one thing the stay-at-home-mom group doesn't take into account is that home mortgages are based on total family income.

Not that YOU can't make it on one income...but what they THINK you should make to get a mortgage.

35 posted on 06/30/2006 12:19:34 AM PDT by paulat
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To: phatus maximus
I'd say that the company could spare a bit of the profits to help her kids, my nephews, get decent medical care, wouldn't you?

If that would help them grow by making the employees more productive, sure. Wal-Mart has stuff like this down to a science. Which is why they can be enormously profitable on something like a 3% margin.

Has she thought to change jobs? My son just got hired right out of high school doing customer service at an airport for $9.00 an hour.

36 posted on 06/30/2006 12:21:06 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (My head hurts.)
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To: phatus maximus
...doesn't get weekends off.

It's called retail. My sister is a manager for Burlington Coat Factory and doesn't get weekends off. She's been in retail management in different chains for 20 years; I don't think she's ever had weekends off. Nor holidays. That's the game she wants to play.

You want weekends off, that generally means office work or teaching. It doesn't mean retail, health services, communications repair, or any one of many other service jobs.

Many states offer state-sponsored insurance for low income children. Your sister might want to look into this in her state if she can't afford the WalMart plan.

37 posted on 06/30/2006 12:23:41 AM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: paulat

oookay...so where would these people be WITHOUT Wal-Mart?

The same place they were before Wal-Mart existed.


38 posted on 06/30/2006 12:23:57 AM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Coleus
Liberals don't like low prices in high tax New Jersey. It sure sucks to make life affordable for what's left of the shrinking middle class there. Go Wal-mart!

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

39 posted on 06/30/2006 12:25:50 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: garylmoore
The same place they were before Wal-Mart existed.

I disagree. With Wal-Mart they have a job that pays above minimun wage.

40 posted on 06/30/2006 12:26:08 AM PDT by paulat
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To: dk/coro
"Otherwise, indeed, there is WalMart. Opportunity abounds! "

I'll bet that Wal Mart even has supervisors, managers, district managers, buyers, personel experts, drivers, mechanics -- Heck, opportunity abounds even in the worlds largest retail company. I started at a grocery chain, with a degree from UCLA, unloading freightcars as a teamster on the graveyard shift. Thats not where I ended up. The union sure didn't make me a manager.

yitbos

41 posted on 06/30/2006 12:41:33 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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To: VeniVidiVici
"Ah, well, what can you do?"
Well, not to be, or sound like, a crocodile - one could do a serious expansion of COBRA 18 months period over which people on their own could buy into group coverages like blue cross/blue shield. They'll still be paying out of their own pockets.
42 posted on 06/30/2006 12:53:31 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Coleus

Bump for later. Got to go to bed.


43 posted on 06/30/2006 12:53:36 AM PDT by Springman
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To: phatus maximus

If your sister doesn't like what she is getting at her job she needs to find another job with better benefits. Unless she has Wal-Mart people forcing her to go to work every day. I worked at a Wal-Mart Distribution Center for 7 years. We had good wages and good benefits. All 900 of us were full time associates and had all the over time we wanted. There is a Wal-Mart store right down the road and I used to ask the associates there why they didn't go to work at the DC and make the higher wages. I usually always got the same answer. They just didn't want to work that many hours and they didn't want to work that hard. No one is forcing your sister to work for Wally World. she is the one who took the job and the pay/benefits package. Nobody is making her do anything. We do not live in a socialist country. We live in a capitalist country. Get used to it, get over it, or get out!!!!!


44 posted on 06/30/2006 1:03:55 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: paulat; garylmoore

I disagree. With Wal-Mart they have a job that pays above minimun wage.



It's possible to make more on public assistance and working under the table a day or two a week than working at wal-mart.

You can argue that public assistance is too generous or wal-mart is too cheap. Take yer pick.


45 posted on 06/30/2006 1:06:22 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: BigTom85

Mate, going to Olive Garden in NYC should be a crime. Especially if vino is involved. I don't know where to start, Beppe, IlPalazzo, Mike's, Marinella's, heck, even ordering a Ben's sicilian pie to go beats out OG.

As to the new Ramsey OG location, I haven't been, probably won't. I pass the new one up in Ramsey enough though. Try La Gondola on Rte 17 North in the Kohl's shopping center, they have lunch specials that have lines going out the door 5 days a week. Olive Garden won't survive for the same reason Eastside Mario's(now the Houlihan's in Ramsey) didn't make it. You can't fake the sauce when the real deal is next door, costs less, and is locally owned.


46 posted on 06/30/2006 2:44:35 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

Hey Jersey! Is Mike's the Garbage Burger Guy still on 17. Probably got the name wrong...I haven't been up that way for a few years.


47 posted on 06/30/2006 2:53:02 AM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah)
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To: Coleus
I notice the article doesn't provide actual info on the bennies, what health care plan premiums actually run, the deductables, what's covered, etc.

But then again if the author of this piece did that folks might come away with a different impression than the one the author wants to leave.

I know folks who work at Wally. The bennies are pretty good to, my mind anyway.

Note to the MSM: Next time, let's see the details...

48 posted on 06/30/2006 3:25:29 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: phatus maximus

Hmmm...with three kids, can she afford NOT to have the insurance?
Has she thought about getting a different job, or moving up at WM? They promote from within, you know.


49 posted on 06/30/2006 3:28:52 AM PDT by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: Coleus
Smells like socialist blather.

It's too early in the morning to get worked up about this. I'm getting tired of the constant barrage of propaganda/brainwashing.

50 posted on 06/30/2006 3:32:07 AM PDT by rvoitier (Conservatives are from Mars, Liberals are from Uranus.)
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