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Superman eschews longtime patriot act
The Hollywood Reporter ^ | 6/30/06 | Tatiana Siegel

Posted on 06/30/2006 8:01:53 AM PDT by Roberts

Nevermind Superman's sexual orientation. Here's another identity-related question that is likely to spark controversy as the Man of Steel soars into theaters nationwide this Fourth of July weekend in Warner Bros. Pictures' "Superman Returns": Is Superman still American?

Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve "truth, justice and the American way." Whether kicking Nazi ass on the radio in the '40s or wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes on TV during the Cold War or even rescuing the White House's flag as his final feat in "Superman II," the Krypton-born, Smallville-raised Ubermensch always has been steeped in unmistakable U.S. symbolism.

But in the latest film incarnation, scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris sought to downplay Superman's long-standing patriot act. With one brief line uttered by actor Frank Langella, the caped superhero's mission transformed from "truth, justice and the American way" to "truth, justice and all that stuff."

"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."

In fact, Dougherty and Harris never even considered including "the American way" in their screenplay. After the wunderkind writing duo ("X2: X-Men United") conceived "Superman's" story with director Bryan Singer during a Hawaiian vacation, they penned their first draft together and intentionally omitted what they considered to be a loaded and antiquated expression. That decision stood throughout the 140-day shoot in Australia, where the pair remained on-set to provide revisions and tweaks.

"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way' because the meaning of that today is somewhat uncertain," Ohio native Dougherty explains. "The ideal hasn't changed. I think when people say 'American way,' they're actually talking about what the 'American way' meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."

While audiences in Dubuque might bristle at Superman's newfound global agenda, patrons in Dubai likely will find the DC Comics protagonist more palatable. And with the increasing importance of the overseas boxoffice -- as evidenced by summer tentpoles like "The Da Vinci Code" -- foreign sensibilities can no longer be ignored.

"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."

But for Superman purists looking for a nod to the big blue Boy Scout's nationalistic loyalties, he is still saving Americans, albeit many with suspiciously Aussie accents. He foils Lex Luthor's nefarious plan to send millions from the nation's heartland to a watery death. And in his most impressive scene, the hero saves the day while a plane hurtles toward a baseball stadium full of fans enjoying America's pastime. Although there is no indication that it is an American baseball game depicted, the scene was one of the few shot on U.S. soil, at Dodger Stadium.

Nevertheless, the long-standing member of the Justice League of America seems to have traded in his allegiance to the flag for an international passport.

"He's here for humanity," Dougherty says.


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Great. Even Superman is P.C.
1 posted on 06/30/2006 8:01:54 AM PDT by Roberts
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To: Roberts

How nice.

Another "Must Miss."

BLECH!!!


2 posted on 06/30/2006 8:03:15 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: Roberts

I was going to see this UNTIL I heard that the Hollywood producers decided to delete "and The American Way..." from Superman's motto (Truth, Justice and the American Way.)

It's added to the growing list...(starting with Jane Fonda) of actors, movies etc. whom I won't spend money to see.


3 posted on 06/30/2006 8:05:04 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Roberts

"truth, justice and all that stuff."

He ain't my Superman.


4 posted on 06/30/2006 8:05:15 AM PDT by Lexington Green (Medical Marijuana - ''But I don't WANNA arrest cancer patients....'')
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To: Roberts

"truth, justice and all that stuff."

Yep, that is a very motivational and memorable one liner.


5 posted on 06/30/2006 8:05:24 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: nikos1121

The omission of "and the American way" is the least of this movies problems. It was awful.


6 posted on 06/30/2006 8:07:05 AM PDT by LanPB01
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To: Roberts

Global audience needed for a $200 million investment. Global motto required.


7 posted on 06/30/2006 8:07:29 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Roberts
Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932...

Nope. Action Comics #1 was published in 1938..

8 posted on 06/30/2006 8:07:57 AM PDT by Brian Mosely (A government is a body of people -- usually notably ungoverned)
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To: Roberts

"He's an international superhero."

B A A A R R F F F


9 posted on 06/30/2006 8:08:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: Roberts

Download and watch if you must. Defund the left and the traitorcrat party.


10 posted on 06/30/2006 8:09:15 AM PDT by BadAndy ("Loud mouth internet Rambo")
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To: PeterPrinciple

Funny, Superman has not only been stripped of his Americanism, but he's also lost his intelligence. He speaks like he's on MTV. "Truth, justice, and all that stuff". I guess we'll have to go back and rent the Christopher Reeve version.


11 posted on 06/30/2006 8:09:22 AM PDT by Roberts
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To: Roberts
"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way' because the meaning of that today is somewhat uncertain," Ohio native Dougherty explains. "The ideal hasn't changed. I think when people say 'American way,' they're actually talking about what the 'American way' meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."

What drivel. There's nothing uncertain about the term "American Way" except in your head Mr. Dougherty. No, "the American way" hasn't changed and it is just as noble and idealistic as it ever was. Something tells me Mr. Dougherty's confusion is a product of a Government education in the public schools.

12 posted on 06/30/2006 8:09:34 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Roberts
Superman eschews...

Gesundheit!

13 posted on 06/30/2006 8:10:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Roberts

Pathetic. But Superman always looked like a homo anway. Batman was way cooler, albeit a psycho.


14 posted on 06/30/2006 8:10:59 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Roberts

To be fair, Superman does not say that line. That is the line said by Perry, chief of the Daily Planet.

The movie is worth watching. It is entertaining, and while not as good as it could've been - it was worth the time spent in a crowded theater. The special effects are good, the actor playing Superman does an excellent job, and Superman is really a likable character.


15 posted on 06/30/2006 8:11:30 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Roberts

oh well and I had free tickets to see it in IMax.. no thanks wont be going to see it now.


16 posted on 06/30/2006 8:12:37 AM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Roberts
"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."

And Hollywood wonders why they are losing touch with middle-America. What a load of PC crap.

What do you bet "the American way" would have been included if a Democrat was in the White House?
17 posted on 06/30/2006 8:12:42 AM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: rhombus
"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way'

What a fag. "Hesitant." Can't even be certain about his squeamishness. Typical lefty. Not just unpatriotic, but ANTIpatriotic. And mostly because he's too squeamish and unsure to stand for anything.

18 posted on 06/30/2006 8:13:16 AM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Roberts
"He's here for humanity," Dougherty says.

Well, isn't that special.

/sarc

19 posted on 06/30/2006 8:15:12 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here… move on.)
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To: rhombus

The "hate America crowd" instilling their anti-patriotism on everyone from the age of 8 to 80. I guess they would be happier if it was "the Chinese way". It's a movie that should be ignored but probably won't be.


20 posted on 06/30/2006 8:15:13 AM PDT by Russ
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To: VegasCowboy

And Hollywood wonders why they are losing touch with middle-America. What a load of PC crap.



Hollywood has no doubts about why they are losing touch with middle-America. The fact of the matter is, middle-America doesn't count. Beyond the seven or eight major markets in the U.S., all they care about is the global market.


21 posted on 06/30/2006 8:15:18 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Roberts
"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."

So now even Superman is a "globalist".

Thanks, but no thanks. I like MY superheroes home grown!!
22 posted on 06/30/2006 8:16:01 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Lexington Green

Why don't these effers try rooting for the home team...just once. Nope. Can't do that. That would actually mean they loved their country.

What a bunch of self-inflated, supercilious SOBs.


23 posted on 06/30/2006 8:16:36 AM PDT by RexBeach ("There is no substitute for victory." -Douglas MacArthur)
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To: Roberts
But in the latest film incarnation, scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris
sought to downplay Superman's long-standing patriot act.


I'll go their "downplay" one better.
I'll zero-out the amount of money I WAS going to spend going to see the film.
24 posted on 06/30/2006 8:18:17 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Brian Mosely

"Nope. Action Comics #1 was published in 1938.."

Yep. Superman was created years before Action Comics #1. They were just not having any luck getting him published. I believe he was "created" in 1932.


25 posted on 06/30/2006 8:18:40 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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To: Roberts

>>meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."
Uh, no. It still means that for a majority of americans - See Bush/Kerry 2004


26 posted on 06/30/2006 8:19:24 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: RexBeach

Yep. Rose instantly to the top of the: "Oh, well. Not seeing THAT one" list.


27 posted on 06/30/2006 8:20:05 AM PDT by Pravious
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To: durasell
Hollywood has no doubts about why they are losing touch with middle-America. The fact of the matter is, middle-America doesn't count. Beyond the seven or eight major markets in the U.S., all they care about is the global market.

Of course, you are correct. Its too bad, though. If they came out and said that it was all about marketing it globally, I could live with that. But no. They have say that the "American way" no longer means what it used to. The unspoken thought here is that America is no longer the beacon of freedom and justice (and its all because of the eeeeevil George Bush).
28 posted on 06/30/2006 8:20:51 AM PDT by VegasCowboy ("...he wore his gun outside his pants, for all the honest world to feel.")
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To: Pravious

Interesting that they release it on 4th of July Weekend, isn't it? Guess Independence Day is good for selling a movie.....


29 posted on 06/30/2006 8:21:10 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: epluribus_2

Besides, he grows up on a farm in small town in a red state by two norman rockwell parents. He could have been born in Tazhikistan but that upbringing would make anyone a red-blooded, patriotic, American.


30 posted on 06/30/2006 8:22:10 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Huck
"Hesitant." Can't even be certain about his squeamishness. Typical lefty. Not just unpatriotic, but ANTIpatriotic. And mostly because he's too squeamish and unsure to stand for anything.

You make an excellent point. Folks like this need to come face to face with evil more often instead hiding in their coffee shops sipping lattes.

31 posted on 06/30/2006 8:22:50 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Roberts
I'm of the opinion that better entertainment can be had than movies--on American television. Ever since I got netflix I've been watching backlogged television series, and they're surprisingly good...particularly compared to what recent movies have offered.

I'm beginning to wish this "Superman" would bomb. I don't like what I've read of what they've done to Lois Lane. Sounds like Terry Hatcher and Margot Kidder were the last good LL's.

32 posted on 06/30/2006 8:23:46 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: VegasCowboy

My statement was, I thought, a bit harsher. It also pained me to make it because the implications are far reaching.

American pop culture continues to dominate the world market. Wherever there are teenagers eager to offend their parents, you'll find American rap music.


33 posted on 06/30/2006 8:24:06 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Roberts
Is Superman still American?

Superman never WAS American. He's Kryptonian.
34 posted on 06/30/2006 8:25:11 AM PDT by Xenalyte (I want you to remember this face. This is the guy behind the guy behind the guy.)
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To: Xenalyte

Is Superman still American?

Superman never WAS American. He's Kryptonian.




Illegal immigrant!!!!


35 posted on 06/30/2006 8:26:04 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Roberts
"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."

Translation: foreign box office receipts are a lot more important to the writers/producers than "the American way." To non-liberals the American way's meaning hasn't changed a bit.

36 posted on 06/30/2006 8:28:07 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Fools and fanatics are always certain of themselves, but the wise are full of doubts.)
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To: Roberts
The dirty little truth is that Superman is a Mexican from another planet. He came into this country illegally and does the dirty jobs that Americans refuse to!
37 posted on 06/30/2006 8:29:25 AM PDT by Bommer (Attention illegals: Why don't you do the jobs we can't do? Like fix your own countries problems!)
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To: Xenalyte
Superman never WAS American. He's Kryptonian

Which means Clark Kent is an illegal immigrant too. And must have forged documents to gain employment at The Daily Planet. I'm no longer so sure about this Superman guy.....

38 posted on 06/30/2006 8:30:53 AM PDT by gdani
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To: DustyMoment

"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."

No, he's an illegal alien. Where are his papers? Maybe he has a UN Global Passport™ ?


39 posted on 06/30/2006 8:31:23 AM PDT by Colorado Mike
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To: durasell; All

Ok, so who is going to demand that Superman leave this planet..


40 posted on 06/30/2006 8:32:12 AM PDT by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Roberts
"The ideal hasn't changed. I think when people say 'American way,' they're actually talking about what the 'American way' meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."

Let's see...back in the 40s and 50s we stood up to the Nazis, Japanese bullies, and communists with the intent to set people free of terrorism and brutal dictatorships. We spread democracy, set up military bases in foreign nations, and laid out plans and rules for those nations to reform and rejoin the fold of the free world. We also had the balls to use nukes when necessary, put people in camps who we suspected were our enemy, and tried and convicted people for treason. Agreed, those were much more noble days. Sounds like these Hollywood losers don't understand the truth they speak.
41 posted on 06/30/2006 8:33:19 AM PDT by itslex71 (southern by birth, republican by the grace of my dad)
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To: Roberts
"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."

"Mr. Harris, an illegal can never be considered an American."

"You wicked, wicked person! Take it back!"

I believe it has been retconned that Supes *was* born in America anyway. He was a matrix and only became a person when the pod was opened, or some damn thing.

Not surprised these guys wrote X2. The contempt for the military seemed apparent. I couldn't stand that movie.
42 posted on 06/30/2006 8:33:24 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: Huck
Pathetic. But Superman always looked like a homo anway. Batman was way cooler, albeit a psycho.

Until George Clooney brought nipples to the Batsuit...
43 posted on 06/30/2006 8:34:06 AM PDT by beezdotcom
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To: Roberts
Forget "Superman" and bring on "Miracleman"...

The "Overman" has come, and boy, is he pissed off...

44 posted on 06/30/2006 8:37:32 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: beezdotcom

"Pathetic. But Superman always looked like a homo anway. Batman was way cooler, albeit a psycho.

Until George Clooney brought nipples to the Batsuit..."

Well we know he couldn't add brains or cahoneys! I guess a little nip was the best he had to offer.....


45 posted on 06/30/2006 8:38:29 AM PDT by delphirogatio
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To: Caipirabob
Spoiler: For anyone curious about Miracleman, the above scene concludes just as you would imagine it should...
46 posted on 06/30/2006 8:38:37 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Roberts

Last straw. Not going to see it.


47 posted on 06/30/2006 8:39:52 AM PDT by rjp2005
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To: Roberts
"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."

This is nothing more than self-justifying hypocracy. With regard to other, more trivial aspects of the Superman mythos, these same "creators" have shamelessly claimed and touted their faithfullness to Superman "canon", yet they deliberately choose to undermine this major, essential component of that same canon.

As far as foreign audiences are concerned, their opinion of what "the American way" means is irrelevant. In a movie about Superman, what is supposed to matter is what Superman thinks it means. It is the responsibility of the movie's creators to convey that meaning to the audience through their portrayal of the character, not to redesign the character to pander to their audience's ideology.

Of course, it's their movie - they have the right to do it however they please. However, we also have the right to point out their self-serving hypocracy and disingenuousness. Their protestations of and claims of faithfullness to the Superman canon/legend are rendered hollow by their cynical, transparent manipulations.

48 posted on 06/30/2006 8:42:18 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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To: Caipirabob
When good heros go bad...

To Todd McFarlan: "FREE MIRACLEMAN!"

49 posted on 06/30/2006 8:43:12 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Roberts

The Democrats are the party of "do not question my patriotism!" So why is it that--just knowing what I know from reading the article--I can state with a degree of certainty that these writers are liberal democrats?


50 posted on 06/30/2006 8:43:42 AM PDT by Rastus
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