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It's Swiftboating Season
Rocky Mountain News ^ | Mike Rosen

Posted on 06/30/2006 8:36:37 AM PDT by siddude

During her husband's presidency, Hillary Clinton liked to complain about persecution at the hands of the "vast right-wing conspiracy." She took for granted, of course, ideological support from the dominant liberal mass media. Ever short on reasoned rebuttal, liberaldom has now come up a new buzzword to rationalize legitimate criticism. It's "swiftboating." A recent letter to the editor from a livid Boulderite (where else?) complained that, "University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill is clearly the latest focus of a 'swift boat'-style campaign. Each of us should be asking ourselves, 'Who's next?' " She then went on to lambaste the Rocky Mountain News for participating in this "specious attack."

In light of Monday's announcement

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
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The left never wants to address the questions that are raised.
1 posted on 06/30/2006 8:36:39 AM PDT by siddude
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To: siddude

I love it. In their blind ignorance they don't realize that most Americans revered the Swift Boat Vets for Truth for their courage, their service to their country, and for getting the truth out about that traitorous kerry.


2 posted on 06/30/2006 8:39:06 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: siddude

"I suppose it's possible that Kerry had it right and that all of his swift boat critics were lying. It's also possible Kerry was lying. The dispute was never definitively resolved. "


3 posted on 06/30/2006 8:39:16 AM PDT by digger48
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To: siddude

Swift-boating:
New Definition-The act of presenting FACTS in the face of Liberal Propoganda...........


4 posted on 06/30/2006 8:40:37 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Liberalism-What a Pagan Religion...)
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To: siddude
Swiftboating is hereby defined as the act of exposing a liberal doing evil (and possibly hurting their feelings in the process).
5 posted on 06/30/2006 8:41:26 AM PDT by SmithL (The fact that they can't find Hoffa is proof that he never existed.)
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To: digger48
The dispute was never definitively resolved.

It was in my mind, and that right early!

6 posted on 06/30/2006 8:44:39 AM PDT by chesley (Republicans don't deserve to win, but America does not deserve the Dhimmicrats.)
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To: chesley

Kerry could resolve it.


7 posted on 06/30/2006 8:46:23 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: siddude

If the swifties were lying why didn`t kerry sue for libel,or more importantly release his military record.by the way how do you get 3 purple hearts without spending a night in a hospital,break a bone,receive a stitch,or be shot by enemy fire?when is MSM going to get to bottom of that?don`t hold your breath.


8 posted on 06/30/2006 8:46:42 AM PDT by chrismich2610 (murha to run with hugo chavez)
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To: siddude
God bless the Swiftees.
9 posted on 06/30/2006 8:47:00 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam Factoid:After forcing young girls to watch his men execute their fathers, Muhammad raped them.)
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To: siddude

All the swiftboat guys did was tell the truth, and the Dems act like you're pouring acid on them. Like throwing water on the Witch of the East.

Ordinary people complained about Churchill, but his fellow academics took him out. They didn't do it because of his beliefs, because truth be told, they agree with him. They fired him because he's dishonest, and a plagiarist, and obnoxious to boot. No one of those would be enough to get him kicked out, but all of them together, combined with the fact that no one could take him seriously as a professor after his media exposure, all that together pushed him out.

He pointed the gun at himself, and his fellow leftist academics pulled the trigger. All we did was hold the flashlight.


10 posted on 06/30/2006 8:49:50 AM PDT by marron
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To: siddude

Thank God for the swifties and buckheads of the world.


11 posted on 06/30/2006 8:49:52 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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To: siddude
Last paragraph worth highlighting:

It's bad enough when liberals use this term [Swiftboating]. When supposedly objective journalists use it, it's intolerable.

12 posted on 06/30/2006 8:50:38 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: siddude
Cindy Sheehan hasn't been "swiftboated." She's an emotionally distraught, foolish airhead. And that's not an ad hominen attack. If you've listened to her speak, it's an accurate, clinical appraisal.

This guy is being kind.

13 posted on 06/30/2006 8:51:09 AM PDT by Michael.SF. (At least drunken sailors spend their own money, Congress doesn't.)
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To: siddude

TEECHER! HE CALLED ME A NAME!


14 posted on 06/30/2006 8:51:34 AM PDT by relictele (Carry On The Anglosphere)
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To: siddude

Swiftboating -- a concerted effort to expose the turth.

That's the real meaning.


15 posted on 06/30/2006 8:53:43 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: siddude

That is one of the biggest problems with the new american left - The still don't understand what the Swiftees were, or were about. They refuse reality time and time again.


16 posted on 06/30/2006 8:53:45 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: siddude

Apparently Kerry did not "have a plan" to deal with the Swift Boat folks.


17 posted on 06/30/2006 8:53:51 AM PDT by U S Army EOD (I SHOT DOWN TWA 800 AND FR IS CLOSING IN ON ME)
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To: chesley
The dispute was never definitively resolved.

Christmas in Cambodia was as well as many more of kerry's lies.

18 posted on 06/30/2006 8:53:58 AM PDT by Mogollon
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To: siddude
My Father, a US Navy WWII veteran, died about two weeks after the 3.5 million-vote Bush victory in 2004. He supported John O'Neill and the Swift Boat Vets and thanked them to his dying day for helping to rally veterans nationwide to defeat Kerry. Myself, a Vietnam veteran, thank the Swift Boat vets every day and every time that I see, or hear, or read about John Kerry. He branded a whole generation of honorable servicemen with his lies about our conduct in Vietnam. There is no depth for the contempt with which I hold the man. Dad, you were a hero and you fought the good fight to the very end. God Bless you!
19 posted on 06/30/2006 8:54:08 AM PDT by quinhon6869
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To: CedarDave

see my post #19


20 posted on 06/30/2006 8:54:34 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: All

The Swift Boaters clearly stated that Kerry LEFT the scene when the shooting started. You really don't have to go and farther into it than that. Americans believed the Boaters...because they couldn't have made up a story that good and have it stand. Hillary hasn't answered ONE SINGLE HARD QUESTION, and believe it folks, when the RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY really goes after this woman IF SHE RUNS, (which is questionable), they will show her up to be exactly what she is, a hard leftest liberal socialist whose beginnings started, during her lawschool and after, with Black Panther idology. She is a liberal socialist, and no matter what she tried to do and say, (like baby sitting transit workers children so they could attend church services...in Chicago no less in the 50's), she will always be shown up. I lived in the Chicago area during those years, and there WERE NO TRANSIT workers anywhere, only hard working unionized and otherwise, Americans.


21 posted on 06/30/2006 8:55:15 AM PDT by cousair
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To: siddude
Definition of "Swiftboating"

Exposing the lies, deceit, cowardice and corruption of a public official; usually a politician. Treasonous acts and falsehoods made public by persons who witnessed the acts and offenses being committed.

Sounds to me like a good thing.

It is yet another illustration of the lefts hypocrisy. They tried to "swiftboat" the POTUS but couldn't find anything to expose, so they had to generate false documents ala CBS and manufacture an AWOL myth.

They just don't get it.
22 posted on 06/30/2006 8:55:31 AM PDT by silver charm (Free our Marines......................................NOW.)
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To: siddude

23 posted on 06/30/2006 8:57:23 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: siddude

Definition of swiftboating - being hammered with the truth.


24 posted on 06/30/2006 8:57:53 AM PDT by tioga
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To: siddude

The libs remind me of a 4-year-old with a younger sibling: "First I hit him, and then when he hits me back, I tell mom."


25 posted on 06/30/2006 8:58:23 AM PDT by Bob
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To: siddude
Great column, especially:

Today, "swiftboating," like McCarthyism, has come to be used by leftists as a facile antidote to dodge or dismiss legitimate criticism which they condescendingly characterize as merely an ad hominem attack, nothing more than name-calling or smearing. But this charade just doesn't hold up. Cindy Sheehan hasn't been "swiftboated." She's an emotionally distraught, foolish airhead. And that's not an ad hominen attack. If you've listened to her speak, it's an accurate, clinical appraisal.

26 posted on 06/30/2006 8:58:46 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: quinhon6869
God Bless you and your father!

The Swiftboat vets brought to light the pain of those vets that Mr. Kerry caused and exploited, on tape.

That video of his testimony sunk him, not medal disputes.
27 posted on 06/30/2006 8:59:29 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; CMS; The Sailor; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; Defender2; OneLoyalAmerican; ...

"Kerry could resolve it."

Kerry Hangs Back From Disclosure to All
The NY Sun June 9, 2005 Josh Gerstein

http://www.nysun.com/article/15135

Did Kerry really release Navy records?
Chicagao Sun Times June 9, 2005 THOMAS H. LIPSCOMB

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lip09.html

Distribute these url's!

Links to Anti Kerry sites
212 LINKS
News reports,
Viper's Vietnam Veterans Page

http://members.aol.com/ga1449ga/links/links.html


EXPOSE HANOI KERRY!

http://stophanoikerry.150m.com


Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!


28 posted on 06/30/2006 9:03:23 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Support the troops by exposing the threats to them like hanoi kerry, cut and run murtha, Code Pink,)
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To: tcrlaf

I like that definition.


29 posted on 06/30/2006 9:03:43 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: All

Swiftboating to me means:

Investigating the truth of what a person claims to be true about himsself/herself and then exposing any lies they have told.

Swiftboating has been around for a long time. I believe most company HR departments practice it when they check references and check other information on the resume and application such as degrees, etc. Colorado was quite remiss in not doing its homework on Ward.


30 posted on 06/30/2006 9:04:42 AM PDT by Madeleine Ward
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To: Lee'sGhost
I was there in country for just two weeks shy of a full year and left just as Kerry was arriving. See this thread for stories of the Swifties and the Coast Guard:

Coast Guard WPB's and Navy PCF's in Division 11, An Thoi, Viet Nam

31 posted on 06/30/2006 9:05:38 AM PDT by CedarDave (When a soldier dies, a protester gloats, a family cries, an Iraqi votes)
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To: showme_the_Glory
Thank God is right. And you know, they may be recalled back to duty because that idiot Kerry really thinks he has another shot at the Dem nomination for Prez.
32 posted on 06/30/2006 9:05:57 AM PDT by daviscupper
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To: U S Army EOD
Good morning.

Yet it appears that the swine is still going to try to gain control over us. Incredible!

Michael Frazier
33 posted on 06/30/2006 9:06:56 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: tcrlaf; siddude

The term should be used proudly by conservatives.

Swiftboating: a prompt, forceful response to historical fabrications spun for craven political purposes.


34 posted on 06/30/2006 9:14:13 AM PDT by olderwiser
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To: Madeleine Ward

Yup, exactly. Great definition! Please swiftboat this person before we bring him on board..


35 posted on 06/30/2006 9:15:43 AM PDT by siddude
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

BTTT


36 posted on 06/30/2006 9:19:58 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: siddude
The dispute was never definitively resolved.

Perhaps true as to the Silver Star and one of the three Purple Hearts, but in all other respects the Swifties were borne out IMHO.

37 posted on 06/30/2006 9:19:59 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: cousair

"The Swift Boaters clearly stated that Kerry LEFT the scene when the shooting started."

In all fairness, I would have to point out that he did return later when the whole thing was over and all was safe to take a home movie of himself "in action". Has anyone counted the number of times during the war this guy was captured on film? Or should I say, "captured himself" on film. Talk about a long term plan. I wonder if there is a count of how many films there are of him in vietnam as opposed to someone like JFK whose family was already well known, and should have maybe been captured more. BUT, even though I think John Kerry would have been an absolute disaster for this country, he does get 1/2 of a respect point for actually going and actually being faced with a combat situation. It at least beats draft dodging, smoking dope in Europe and not inhaling during the war. But, I then revoke that 1/2 respect point because it is kind of sick when you see that he actually only took the chance of dying in the war so he could advance his goals in life. There is just too much "planned heroism" on his part. Just think, if by some horrible twist of fate, all of that swift boat crew had been wiped out but Kerry. Can you imagine what he would have portrayed himself as then?


38 posted on 06/30/2006 9:34:36 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: digger48
>>>The dispute was never definitively resolved.<<<

The American people resolved the question by a plurality of over 2.8 million votes in November 2004.

If you hold that it is possible that John Kerry has honor and veracity equal to that of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth......then you are blind and deaf.

39 posted on 06/30/2006 9:54:43 AM PDT by HardStarboard (Hey, march some more - its helping get the wall built!)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


40 posted on 06/30/2006 9:57:54 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: tcrlaf

FACTS with actual names and faces to back them up. Not the lib version of 'anonymous' or 'protected' sources. What a bunch of imaginary friends these libs have. They must have all been toilet trained at gunpoint!! Oh wait, they don't believe in guns. Someone must have held a Bible to their heads. That would certainly traumatize the lot of them.


41 posted on 06/30/2006 10:02:15 AM PDT by austinaero
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To: Lee'sGhost

democrats call it swiftboating if it done by a republican when a democrat does it I believe they call it whistleblowing...


42 posted on 06/30/2006 10:04:17 AM PDT by edzo4
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To: siddude

Someone who acts like Ward Churchill did should get what Ward Churchill got.


43 posted on 06/30/2006 10:10:00 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: SaveUS

To your half-point added, then subtracted, I would also minus him out the value of the lives he put in jeopardy through his actions while in 'nam.

I can't put a number on it, though. He's just way down there in the sinkhole of history on this one.


44 posted on 06/30/2006 10:13:15 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: Madeleine Ward
The one who wrote to the editor seems to think that swiftboating is a group of people ganging up on an unfortunate victim to deny the vic the right to keep doing illegal / questionable deeds.
45 posted on 06/30/2006 10:14:59 AM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: OldFriend

Absolutely! Having your name referenced with anything resembling "swiftboat" is akin to being involved in a "...gate". It is not a good thing.


46 posted on 06/30/2006 10:36:21 AM PDT by RobRoy
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To: GretchenM

"I would also minus him out the value of the lives he put in jeopardy through his actions while in 'nam."

LOL That is for sure. And that is one point I didn't make about all the movies. How dangerous is it to be in hostile territory having your men make movies of you like a WWII General storming the beaches of Normandy or something. I just think it shows a really sick desire for power. It is just too weird that he seemed to know that he needed all of this to build himself up for his future goals. Yep, I'll just say 10 on the slime point scale.


47 posted on 06/30/2006 11:47:15 AM PDT by SaveUS
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To: siddude

Wow. Not only has the left made "swiftboating" a dirty word, they are using it to defend ward "Tonto" churchill. The irony of that is astounding.


48 posted on 06/30/2006 11:50:27 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: SaveUS
One might easily say that John F. Kerry is All Camera and No Development.
49 posted on 06/30/2006 12:01:24 PM PDT by GretchenM (What does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his soul? Please meet my friend, Jesus.)
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To: GretchenM

"One might easily say that John F. Kerry is All Camera and No Development."

Yes, and it makes it even more odd that a guy who likes the camera so much hooks up with a bridge troll for a wife. I guess money trumps ugly.


50 posted on 06/30/2006 12:20:36 PM PDT by SaveUS
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