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LDS Church Letter May Have Raised Primary Turnout
KSL News ^ | 6/30/06 | (Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Posted on 06/30/2006 10:09:53 AM PDT by colorcountry

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Some political observers are wondering whether a Mormon church statement urging members to vote in Tuesday's primary may have boosted turnout and helped five-term incumbent Republican Rep. Chris Cannon turn back challenger John Jacob.

"Between the president and Mrs. Bush's endorsement (of Cannon) and the church's statement from the pulpit -- those were the two biggest factors that helped Cannon in his re-election," said Ron Fox, who helped run Bush's Utah campaign in 2000 and 2004.

"I think the church's desires were to get people to the polls and vote and I think, as a byproduct, it assisted Cannon in his re-election," he told The Salt Lake Tribune.

The turnout in the 3rd District primary was higher than in the 2004 primary.

The race had focused on immigration issues, with businessman Jacob accusing Cannon of supporting President Bush's policies, while Jacob opposed any guest-worker or amnesty programs.

Getting voters to the polls had been considered vital to Cannon's chances to keep his seat.

"Turnout usually favors an incumbent in these kinds of situations because when you expand the election pool you are including voters who are going to take into consideration other factors beside the immigration issue," said Kelly Patterson, a political science professor at Brigham Young University, which is owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Quin Monson, another BYU professor, downplayed the significance of the church letter, which he said contained fairly "standard language." However, it apparently motivated some people.

"A friend called to tell me that she voted specifically because she heard the letter on Sunday," Monson said.

Church spokesman Dale Bills said that to his knowledge, it was the first time church leaders have urged its members to vote in a primary election.

Bills said that church leaders "regularly teach that church members should make their voices heard as individual citizens of their respective nations by exercising their right to vote."

The church leaders said that they were lending their voice at the request of Joe Cannon, chairman of the Utah Republican Party and Chris Cannon's brother, and the Democratic chairman, Wayne Holland.

Todd Taylor, executive director of the Utah Democratic Party, said Joe Cannon approached Holland and suggested they make the request to the church, and the Democrats agreed.

"It's hard to quantify the impact" of the church statement, said Jeff Hartley, executive director of the Utah Republican Party.

"Based on the Utah County turnout, which was higher than anyone expected, I believe the president had a significant impact on Republican voters and I believe that the church reminding people from the pulpit had a significant impact on the Republican voters, and I hope our efforts as a party had a significant impact," he said.

Information from: The Salt Lake Tribune, http://www.sltrib.com

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)


TOPICS: Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: 109th; aliens; chriscannon; churchandstate; election2006; electioncongress; lds; ldschurch; mormonbashing
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1 posted on 06/30/2006 10:09:57 AM PDT by colorcountry
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To: colorcountry

Isn't that why the democrat's go and speak in churches?


2 posted on 06/30/2006 10:15:45 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Arizona Carolyn; Bikers4Bush; soccer8; Paleo Conservative; american spirit; cripplecreek; ...

Ping (in case you're interested)

*Disclaimer: This Ping list was compiled of some Fr's posting on Chris Cannon threads.


3 posted on 06/30/2006 10:16:05 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry
Awww, the dems don't like it when church people vote. Maybe they agree with Hillary that it is a Right Wing Conspiracy.

Wonder why they don't get more church support after being Pro-Death (Terry's case), Pro-Abortion(to the core), Pro-Eminent Domain (see their voting record), and Pro-liberal indoctrination in the schools. Doh!

4 posted on 06/30/2006 10:16:13 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: edcoil

Do they?

I haven't been to LDS Church (other than family sponsored events) for over 20 years.


5 posted on 06/30/2006 10:17:01 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry

You see them all the time on tv, here in CA at the A&E church we saw Clinton, Kerry, and all the rest of the left.


6 posted on 06/30/2006 10:18:01 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: colorcountry

"..John Jacob.."

Jinglehimer Schmit!


7 posted on 06/30/2006 10:19:14 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: colorcountry
I thought the devil was behind Jacob's loss.

It was the LDS hierarchy all along.

Oh, and those hands of five card stud at the Riviera.

8 posted on 06/30/2006 10:19:29 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: colorcountry

No conspiracy theory here.
As long as the LDS letter didn't endorse and simply encouraed folks
to exercise their voting rights in a lawful manner...works for me.

But I do get the impression that illegal immigration is A-OK with the
LDS (at least that's the impression I get from numerous news reports).
I know from first hand experience it's not just Catholic bishops that
are church leaders pushing for immigration of illegals as some sort of
saintly approach to this illegality.


9 posted on 06/30/2006 10:19:31 AM PDT by VOA
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To: colorcountry
Uh turnout was very low for the primary(i.e the tancredo/bay buchanan Pac held an immigration referendum and no on showed up).

But nice try at the howard dean tactic of saying "loss is victory".

Oh well I see the tancredo/bay buchanan minions are still trying to spin. the only thing spinning are their heads at the humiliating defeat, and what the hey lets put some Mormon bashing to boot.

10 posted on 06/30/2006 10:20:16 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: colorcountry
The Church regularly encourages people to be involved and to vote. On some direct, moral issues, it will make a statement on one side or another...ie. the gay marriage issue. However, I am sure that the directive by the Church in this instance did not take either political side, but rather, encouraged people to be involved with their own free will and conscience on the matter.

For me personally, I favor a much more direct stance on illegal immigration that would criminalize illegal aliens and those who hire them, giove a short opportunity for voluntary deportation with the incentive to do so being that if they voluntarily report and have no criminal background or terror ties, that they will receive favorable consideration in future, normal immigration applications. But, thereaftyer, we will find them out and if we have to find and deport them, they will be on a permanent list of never being allowed to legally immigrate to this country, and if we catch them again, they will spend twenty years at hard labor.

Then, build the fence and man it adequately to control our borders. At that point, and that point alone, after these things are done, can we talk about a sensible worker permit program that does not include social welfare, anchor babies, or any dependents being here...and has a relative short duration (12 months) for the work permit.

But that's just my opinion.

11 posted on 06/30/2006 10:21:05 AM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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To: Dane

I didn't do anything but post a thread. What's your problem?


12 posted on 06/30/2006 10:21:33 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Dane
Uh turnout was very low for the primary

Not according the article, Dane. Turnout was higher this year than in 2004.

High turnout always favors incumbents.

13 posted on 06/30/2006 10:22:03 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: Jeff Head

Thank you Mr. Head,

Your opinion is spot-on as far as I'm concerned. I know for a fact, the Church would never endorse a specific candidate, but always encourages voters to get out and vote.

I like your ideas on immigration too. :-)


14 posted on 06/30/2006 10:23:45 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: VOA
The LDS Church never endorses candidates, in that you are absolutely correct.
15 posted on 06/30/2006 10:25:10 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry
I didn't do anything but post a thread. What's your problem?

Nothing. I was accused of gloating about Cannon's big win and IMO I have the right to say you are practicing sour grapes.

With bay buchanan/AP LDS bashing rhetoric. Real good sources there.

I'm surprised bay's brother pat hasn't followed her lead and bash his Church(Roman Catholic) the way bay has bashed hers(LDS).

Maybe bay is trying to out do her brother in the pitchfork dept.

Maybe pat will try to one up her and bash Pope Benedict the XVI.

16 posted on 06/30/2006 10:28:00 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: sinkspur
Not according the article, Dane. Turnout was higher this year than in 2004.

High turnout always favors incumbents

It was 7% in the biggest county with the most precincts, Salt Lake County.

Wouldn't be the first time the AP got it's facts wrong.

17 posted on 06/30/2006 10:30:18 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: colorcountry

Bush radio ads, phone calls, etc. were all part of the massive effort reminiscent of the way they got Arlen Specter over the top against Pat Toomey in 2004.

We can argue about immigration, John Jacob, LDS Church letters etc. but a lot of money and effort went into putting Cannon over the top. The money and effort coming from Karl Rove, the President and the GOP establishment.

They didn't want to be embarrassed by a Cannon loss and have their agenda set back which for better or worse includes keeping illegal immigrants in the country. The illegal workers are needed to satisfy the needs of the businesses that use them and contribute to political campaigns.


18 posted on 06/30/2006 10:30:48 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: colorcountry
"I think he did a little too much LDS."
19 posted on 06/30/2006 10:31:25 AM PDT by TheRobb7 (The American Spirit does not require a federal subsidy.)
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To: colorcountry; sinkspur
Some political observers are wondering whether a Mormon church statement urging members to vote in Tuesday's primary may have boosted turnout and helped five-term incumbent Republican Rep. Chris Cannon turn back challenger John Jacob

I'll bet you those "political" observers were bay buchanan and tom tancredo.

20 posted on 06/30/2006 10:33:17 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Nextrush
They didn't want to be embarrassed by a Cannon loss and have their agenda set back which for better or worse includes keeping illegal immigrants in the country. The illegal workers are needed to satisfy the needs of the businesses that use them and contribute to political campaigns

JMO, your screen name should be NextDUmmie.

21 posted on 06/30/2006 10:35:13 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
I'll bet you those "political" observers were bay buchanan and tom tancredo

I think the article is referring to Ron Fox, who helped run Bush's Utah campaign in 2000 and 2004. and...

Quin Monson, another BYU professor, downplayed the significance of the church letter, which he said contained fairly "standard language." However, it apparently motivated some people. and possibly...

Todd Taylor, executive director of the Utah Democratic Party, said Joe Cannon approached Holland and suggested they make the request to the church, and the Democrats agreed.

I didn't see Bay Buchanan or Tom Tancredo mentioned at all. In fact, you're the only one on the thread that keeps mentioning them at all.

22 posted on 06/30/2006 10:39:23 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry
I think that the Mormon Church is at least ambivalent on the issue of Amnesty.
23 posted on 06/30/2006 10:40:19 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: Dane
I don't care who y'all bash, just leave the So. Baptist out of it!!!!!
24 posted on 06/30/2006 10:41:08 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Dane
I don't care who y'all bash, just leave the So. Baptist out of it!!!!!
25 posted on 06/30/2006 10:41:11 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: Mike Darancette
ambivalent

:-) .....to say the least. I like that word! lol

26 posted on 06/30/2006 10:45:54 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Dane
Wouldn't be the first time the AP got it's facts wrong.

It wasn't a poster that said this or the AP.......read the article...

"Between the president and Mrs. Bush's endorsement (of Cannon) and the church's statement from the pulpit -- those were the two biggest factors that helped Cannon in his re-election," said Ron Fox, who helped run Bush's Utah campaign in 2000 and 2004.

" "I think the church's desires were to get people to the polls and vote and I think, as a byproduct, it assisted Cannon in his re-election," he told The Salt Lake Tribune."

27 posted on 06/30/2006 10:45:57 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: Dane
I'll bet you those "political" observers were bay buchanan and tom tancredo.

WRONG again Dane.....Do you ever get tired of blaming Tancredo for EVERYTHING ??

the article clearly states these observations are those of a Ron Fox (prolly Vicente's brother)

"said Ron Fox, who helped run Bush's Utah campaign in 2000 and 2004."

28 posted on 06/30/2006 10:52:12 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: colorcountry; Dane
I think the article is referring to Ron Fox,

Just another "FOX", Dane refuses to lay any blame to (prolly Vicente's brother)

It's just so much easier to blame Tancredo, according to Dane.

29 posted on 06/30/2006 10:55:48 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: Dane

No its analysis of exactly what was in play there.

The Bush people didn't want the Buchanan-Tancredo wing of the party to win this one.

Posts were made about all the Bush phone calls, Laura radio ads etc. that went into getting Cannon over the top.

I've seen it here in PA back in 2004 and I am a Republican who votes that way but am not a third party person or a Democrat troll.

Do you support or oppose the illegals coming in? I'm actually in the middle but its downright true that companies like Tyson and Cargill employ them in their meat processing plants. Those companies are big political contributors and the GOP needs their money to win elections.
Money is the mothers milk of politics, you know.

The Democrats see the illegals as voters they want too and the businesses can just as soon pump cash into Democrats
(didn't Tyson help Clinton in Arkansas) as well as Republicans. I think the GOP leaders have a lot of pressure on them to keep the illegals in. They want the big money from those guys too.


30 posted on 06/30/2006 10:56:10 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: txdoda
We need to change to saying to:

"It's Bush'sTancredo's fault."

31 posted on 06/30/2006 10:57:44 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Nextrush
The Bush people didn't want the Buchanan-Tancredo wing of the party to win this one

Hmm and the tancredo/buchanan wing didn't want Bush to win, either.

Oh I forgot it was satan's doing on part of Bush/Cannon that made tancredo/buchanan/Jacob to lose bigtime, nevermind.

32 posted on 06/30/2006 10:59:14 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Nextrush

I'm actually in the middle >>>>>>>>

Read it & weep......& these are only the top three crimes.

________________________________

Check out the following to see who is the bigger threat to American Citizens today, terrorists or illegals. Feel free to share it.

Over 19,000 Americans have died a violent death at the hands of murderous illegal aliens since 9/11 (12 a day).*

Over 20,000 Americans have died at the hands of uninsured drunk driving illegal aliens since 9/11 (13 a day).*

Over 13,000 American children are the victim of a sex crime at the hands of illegal aliens since 9/11 (8 a day).*

Less than 7,000 Americans have died on 9/11 and after due to terrorism, including those who died fighting terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.

What is the bigger threat to Americans today, terrorist thugs or illegal aliens?

*Source – “Biting the hand that feeds you”. Written by Congressman Steve King (R, IA) on April 25, 2006. Source link: http://www.kingforcongress.com/clippings/desk-immigration4-06.htm


33 posted on 06/30/2006 11:07:07 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: colorcountry

I think they learned the lesson that politics and religion don't mix many years ago. Wasn't Joe Smith killed on account of political friction? By the local military types?


34 posted on 06/30/2006 11:07:30 AM PDT by ASOC (The phrase "What if" or "If only" are for children.)
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To: ASOC
Wasn't Joe Smith killed on account of political friction? By the local military types?

You and I might say that, but the LDS would say he was killed by an "angry mob."

35 posted on 06/30/2006 11:09:11 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: colorcountry

"It's (Bush's) Tancredo's fault."

and don't forget the IB4D


36 posted on 06/30/2006 11:09:13 AM PDT by txdoda (Voters to Gov't .......Re: post 9-11 Border Security....... ""The results are Unacceptable."")
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To: Dane

Thanks for posting the article.

I live here, I voted for Jacobs.

The LDS church only said, 'Get out and vote'. I heard it from the pulpit.

That is a no-brainer.

This only proves the media can spin anything, like we didn't already know that.


37 posted on 06/30/2006 11:10:23 AM PDT by Sundog (Cheers.)
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To: txdoda
IB4D

I was, but only because I posted the darned thread. It's almost hard to beat the hairtrigger response.

38 posted on 06/30/2006 11:11:02 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Sundog; Dane

The media (in this article) never, ever said the Church directed ANYONE who to vote for.

This article only said the Church encouraged voters to vote. Or are you reading something I missed?


39 posted on 06/30/2006 11:12:46 AM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Dane
I have the right to say you are practicing sour grapes.

You're not sour about another's possible sour grapes, RU?

40 posted on 06/30/2006 11:19:25 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: colorcountry

Its been said that the LDS' cash cow is Las Vegas and LV needs illegal immigrants like an addict needs drugs.


41 posted on 06/30/2006 11:22:56 AM PDT by junta (It's Jihad stupid! It's the borders stupid! It's Political Correctness stupid!)
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To: txdoda

I think you made your case.

We need a security barrier on the border now that inlcudes a wall, fence and lots of troops to back it up.

Those 6-thousand National Guard are just window dressing for political purposes.

You know there are powerful forces that wan't to do nothing or grant amnesty without calling it that to illegals.

But I think abortion and "family planning" that mean fewer babies being born here leave our strong economy short of bodies to fill the spaces.

If you believe the country is declining you're caught in the liberal labor union lie that sees the economy in 1960's terms and not modern ones.

I think the illegals represent more traditional values (religion, large families, heterosexual) than are practiced by the people born here. Not all are the criminals you described.

I have a book written in 1949 by a liberal Unitarian that says the religion most often cited by prison inmates back then was "Catholic" and he followed it by saying Catholics should be ashamed so many of them are criminals even though they aren't that much of the population.

Lets not descend into bigotry but let us enforce the law.
The law is being broken and I find it hard to accept the excuses like we can't practically enforce it and return them back where they came from by the millions.

The lack of obedience and the ability to enforce hasn't stopped the President and Republican leaders from advocating pro-life laws that liberals routinely say will be broken in "back alleys."

Now get me straight I think we need some of the 11 million etc. that are here as I stated above. But we need to secure the border and enforce the law, too. NO EXUCSES.


42 posted on 06/30/2006 11:28:24 AM PDT by Nextrush (Chris Matthews Band: "I get high...... I get high.....I get high.....McCain.")
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To: sinkspur

I thought the devil was behind Jacob's loss.

It was the LDS hierarchy all along.

Oh, and those hands of five card stud at the Riviera.
_______________________________________________________

I'm about to get flamed BUT...

some would say the devil = LDS hierarchy


43 posted on 06/30/2006 11:35:02 AM PDT by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine


And those who would say that would be both rude and ignorant, wouldn't they?


44 posted on 06/30/2006 11:38:15 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: colorcountry
I didn't do anything but post a thread. What's your problem?

I would just ignore Dane (Marco D) if I were you. He's always in a foul mood and just can't rationally debate an issue. Ultimately the guy, IMO, addicted to attacking any oppositions' race and religion.

As for the LDS letter, they always read these things (as I understand it) during each election (quite a few Churches from several denominations do). I doubt the letter(s) had much to do with turnout etc - parishioners are too used to ignoring them already ;-p.

45 posted on 06/30/2006 11:50:34 AM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: Dane; soccer8

Ping to post #45.
The poster neglected to ping you.


46 posted on 06/30/2006 11:55:52 AM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: onyx
I didn't neglect to do so. I was just talking to colorcountry. Dane just isn't worth even attempting to debate (see Dane's immigration posts for examples of what I mean). Heck I'll answer for him now: Soccer8, you're a racist and don't follow your religion. Tancredo sucks, Cannon rules.

ZZZZZZZ

47 posted on 06/30/2006 12:02:10 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: soccer8
It's FR etiquette: ping the posters we talk about.
48 posted on 06/30/2006 12:03:21 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: colorcountry

All we are commenting on is the media making a big deal of the statistical observation that increasing the turnout favors the incumbent.

The LDS church acted to increase the turnout.

This was reported as the LDS church favoring the incumbent.


49 posted on 06/30/2006 1:12:01 PM PDT by Sundog (Cheers.)
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To: onyx

Point well taken. Will do in the future (I can always just ignore their posts anyway). Thanks for putting me back on the 'straight 'n narrow' onyx.


50 posted on 06/30/2006 3:33:11 PM PDT by batter ("Never let the enemy pick the battle site." - Gen. George S. Patton)
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